thanks shadow guy for the cityadv.com info, but can you also help me narrow down on my domain:
but example with dentists:
1. citydentists.com
2. citydentists-dentistry.com
3. kw1-citydentistry-dental-dentists.com
4. citydentaloffice-dentistry-kw1.com
5. citydentistry-kw1dentists-dental.com

Managed to get a record sign up for one of my sites today. Launched the site just over 48 hours ago, made the call this morning and the client signed up on the spot over the phone. The client also wants sites for neighbouring areas which he will also pay for. Will be going over to his for a face to face this afternoon.


Life is good. Im killing it now I am doing the SEO and everything myself.

Originally Posted by The Dark One

Managed to get a record sign up for one of my sites today. Launched the site just over 48 hours ago, made the call this morning and the client signed up on the spot over the phone. The client also wants sites for neighbouring areas which he will also pay for. Will be going over to his for a face to face this afternoon.


Life is good. Im killing it now I am doing the SEO and everything myself.

With Google maps taking 7 listings at the top, are you still getting a good amount of visitors to your organic listing?

Originally Posted by JimBean

With Google maps taking 7 listings at the top, are you still getting a good amount of visitors to your organic listing?

I have the same question. Google now has top 7 rankings, how is your traffic?

I have around 10 visitors per day from a keyword with 390 searches a month. So it's almost 100% to me even google has the first 7 places

Where do you go to find out how many searches the keyword/s have for a month? Sorry I'm new to SEO and want to try this method, but I have to learn how to get my site to first page first :X

Interesting... a box of lightbulbs went off in my head as I read this! Thanks!

Originally Posted by DarkTempest

Where do you go to find out how many searches the keyword/s have for a month? Sorry I'm new to SEO and want to try this method, but I have to learn how to get my site to first page first :X

Google Keyword Tool ... great way to start off.

I've been reading this thread for quite some time now. I must be silly for not doing this! I have no problems ranking my sites, in fact I have a few that rank number #1. I know my seo well, I know my backlinks types well...jeeezz

I'm gonna blame it on my MSc studies

Think of how many other niche categories this could be applied to!

Originally Posted by seanjohn

Think of how many other niche categories this could be applied to!

Trust me I have but I dont have time to do the work as my MSc is intense.

It's crazy when you do the calculation.

20 sites at $200 each = $ 4000 per month
$300 each = $ 6000 per month

At one point I got abit greedy and calculated

100 sites within 1 year at $200 per month = $20k

i've used this method for two years now and while it isn't my main income it pulls in an good 5k/month consistent, haven't even modified things in over a year and i just send an invoice to my clients. i'm not in the dentist market, i do something different, but it's the same idea and there's a lotttt of potential with this.

Originally Posted by seanjohn

Google Keyword Tool ... great way to start off.

Thanks man, but when I do a search for dentist in 'area in my city' i get 'not enough data for the 'local search volume' and 'global search volume' sections...

Also, can someone kindly point me in the right direction as to where to get started learning about how to get my site on page 1? Thanks in advance!

Excellent method, I'm currently trying to find niches for this that would work well in my area, as dentists and lawyers don't get enough hits.

Originally Posted by DarkTempest

Thanks man, but when I do a search for dentist in 'area in my city' i get 'not enough data for the 'local search volume' and 'global search volume' sections...

Don't just think of this thread as a way to make money off dentists, look at the big picture, type your city name into the google keyword tool for some inspiration. see if any results pop up that have high search e.g. "city name" contractors, "city name" under age hookers, etc. etc. See what works in your area and make some deals with any business that you could make work.


P.S. just kidding about the hookers.

hey guys, great thread! really loving the idea!

Would it not be a good idea to sell the site off? i.e. you create a site, get it to number one spot on google, yahoo and bing. drive some traffic via social networks too etc etc and then sell to the highest bidding dentist/ lawyer/ doctor/ resturant etc etc??

You'd make alot more per site and alot easier to sell than $400+ a month contract. You could get $5k+ per site!

just an idea

thanks
tony

This idea sounds really good, i want to give it a try, but im having a problem. I did a test campaign on adwords to see what keywords are getting traffic, i picked a fairly big city in north america (population 5 million), and put in a bunch of keywords into a campaign, and got ZERO impressions (its been 24 hours). any help would be greatly appreciated, ill gladly post my results here

Well, chances are people aren't going to look to ads to get local phone numbers at this point of the game.

He should still get impressions. My guess is that the ads aren't running because his bid cost is too low?

Just read the whole thread and went off and purchased my first domain name. I will be taking action on this and will stay active on the post. If anyone that has started this wants to share ideas, please PM me. Thanks OP and everyone else who contributed to this amazing thread.

I do something similar, but I make construction leads pages and get em ranked locally with ease. Then I sell the leads to companies. =)

Originally Posted by craigygee

I do something similar, but I make construction leads pages and get em ranked locally with ease. Then I sell the leads to companies. =)

Very nice! I'm curious, what is a construction lead worth on average?

Originally Posted by chaotic

Very nice! I'm curious, what is a construction lead worth on average?

Kinda like the handy man. I have a few sites where I have sold leads to these. Some go on an upward value of 2,500 for a month's worth of advertising.

The peak for this is normally in late February, early March. Since spring is essentially right around the corner.

So a recommendation to all those wanting to taste this pie. You might want to start looking into building your sites now so that you can catch the wave. Another niche idea are house cleaners. Spring cleaning is coming around.

Hi again

would selling the site not be more profitable and hell of alot easier to sell compared to a rental charge?

I have an offline business in the carpet cleaning niche and some days/weeks i get lots of leads via my site (No1 in google,yahoo and bing for lots of great keywords) but some weeks are very poor! like one job from the search engines/website!!
So what happens if you sell an ad to a dentist for example and that month happens to be a bad month and only gets a couple of calls!

Not just that, but there is not alot of value in a banner ad these days imho. Would you be happy to shell out $400+ a month just to share the webpage with two or three other competitors in your local commuinty?? I think not at all! I've been in buiness for over 10 years and thats my options on it.

Dont get me wrong, i am not being negative! the idea is great! just the monotizaion needs a tweeking.

thanks
tony

Originally Posted by tony20

would selling the site not be more profitable and hell of alot easier to sell compared to a rental charge?

I think that wherever possible you want to incorporate continuity in to your business because that's where the real passive income is. Why do all the work for just a one time sale when you can have a steady and consistent income stream week after week and month after month. Sure it might be a few hundred bucks a month but that's just from one site. What if you build 5, 10 or 100 sites?

Originally Posted by tony20

Not just that, but there is not alot of value in a banner ad these days imho.

Dude you are missing the boat. There is a TON of value in banner ads.

Originally Posted by tony20

Would you be happy to shell out $400+ a month just to share the webpage with two or three other competitors in your local commuinty?? I think not at all! I've been in buiness for over 10 years and thats my options on it.

So basically you are saying that no business owner wants more leads for their business? In other words if you were a dentist and I told you that I can bring you x number of leads a month and it will only cost you a fraction of what you will earn not just from the initial appointments alone but from all the repeat business and not to mention referrals etc. etc. then you would say sorry, not interested?

Originally Posted by tony20

Dont get me wrong, i am not being negative! the idea is great! just the monotizaion needs a tweeking.

The money is there. Just get a site up and ranked and get on the phone. Make sure you do your research right though to begin with.

Originally Posted by tony20

Not just that, but there is not alot of value in a banner ad these days imho. Would you be happy to shell out $400+ a month just to share the webpage with two or three other competitors in your local commuinty?? I think not at all! I've been in buiness for over 10 years and thats my options on it.

Ever heard of a phonebook? I know some businesses that spend $1200 PER MONTH on phonebook advertising, and they share the same page with competitors.

Absolutely incredible post! Taking action now.

I do have a question on META tags and whether or not its keyword spamming.

city dentists, city dentist, dentist in city, dentists in city

That would probably be spam correct? Thanks for any insight!

Hey i was just wondering, once you get your first business to buy an advertise spot what do you actually put on your site, like do you just put a banner or do you provide more than that? My guess is that you make your own post about them and all there contact enough and link it through it the ad, sorry if it was already explained i kinda got confused.

I have read many posts questioning why a business would want to advetise on these locationniche.com sites, I'm kind of chuckling....maybe this information can help see the value in this to local businesses.

In a survey, Google says about 40% of its daily searches have a location in them. Google also says that about 80% then make a phone call to the business site they clicked on, then about 60% make a purchase within 24hrs.

Local search is replacing the yellowpages, i don't even know where my yellow pages book is frankly.


If a person typed in "dentists scranton" and then found a site in the top 5 called dentistsscranton.com do you think that the person searching would be more likely or less likely to click the site? I say more likely cause they have found EXACTLY what they are looking for.

These are buying keywords. I only look for a "dentist" when I need one...like now. and the person who lands on dentistsscranton.com is looking for contact details and location related stuff and maybe pricing....just like when you get a number from the yellowpage.

Also this just selling local advertising, the twist is that we can get in the top 5 results while most others can't. This is wide open.

Don't go building these for people who are not already paying for advertising, it is a huge waste of time. Your target clients must know the value of advertising, that is why dentists are such a good example.

Hope this helps...

Thanks op for this great thread.

I read this thread and had an experimental site up within a few hours and have been tweaking it ever since. The domain is dentistintown.com (regged 10 jan) and is now bouncing around on page one of google for the main keyword.

Sometimes number 1, 2 and sometimes second to last but at least its staying on the same page. Its had about 25 hits so far today.

I pasted in a spun article and some info about choosing a dentist plus an entire list of all the dentists in the area. Then I put "ads" for the top three advertising dentists as examples. I've put on my contact details, my company name etc in the footer and other prominent places on the site so it looks bona fide. Also have a privacy policy page.

I've done seo with onlywire and senuke.

My problem is finding a good wordpress theme that is suitable for this kind of thing. Does anyone have any recommendations?

I want to have it looking more professional before calling the dentists.

I think this method was brilliant , gonna try this after doing some research

If anyone is looking to do this idea but doesn't know how to seo their page to the top of google for their search terms pm me and I can do it for you for a price, let me know if any of you are interested!

Originally Posted by The Dark One

15 calls a day spending on average $100 each (based on my research)
=$1500 a day
20 working days in the month = $30,000 a month
12 months a year = $360K a year.

And I wasted big time studying accounting

What if the 'dentist' or whatever you chose to promote, wants to see proof that there are XXX number of people searching for dentists in XXX-area but you cant really show them cos google keyword tool states 'not enough data' for local search volume and global search volume? This has also caused me to wonder whether the dentist himself will get more customers or not...as there doesnt seem to be much people searching for that term

Originally Posted by DarkTempest

What if the 'dentist' or whatever you chose to promote, wants to see proof that there are XXX number of people searching for dentists in XXX-area but you cant really show them cos google keyword tool states 'not enough data' for local search volume and global search volume? This has also caused me to wonder whether the dentist himself will get more customers or not...as there doesnt seem to be much people searching for that term

I get at least 200 searches for nearly every small town I search for... Population 4000 and 230 searches...

I did a search in my country for dentist. There are shit loads of sites online, as an example, who are monetizing on this. Even the domain name dentists.com.xx where they ask dentists to signup for a free to get more exposure they would have to pay a fee. And the 1st of google is filled with such sites.

So how does one monetize on this if everyone is already doing it already? I don't get it. Under long tail keywords? Why would a dentist or anyone for that matter want to pay you 400 p/m for long tail keyword exposure?

Also, what form of payment are you accepting? You said you cut and invoice? So how do they pay?

How are you monetizing geographically using a domain name? Say you buy a domain name my-city.com. Well this will be show all over the world not just in my city. Unlike Adwords where you can geographically target ads.

Google maps is the highest link on the 1st page of Google when i type my city dentists and it shows a huge map with 10 or more dentists + their location. How can i compete against that?

For mass pop areas, things will be difficult. This is easy for some businesses and not all. There are plenty of people who already do SEO for local companies and have been for quite some time.

Mikie. You monetize it by doing it. If you feel you can't compete in a certain niche, then step aside and pick another. Other than that you said, "country", which first comes to mind as a large pop area. You need to target local, if you're local sucks then broaden the area out a bit. You can target long tails if they get traffic and you can still target them if they don't. You just have to be good at marketing a dead spot.

You can use any form of payment, but pick a general one that is more convenient. There's local invoicing in form of a check, snail-mail, paypal, or any online recurring type transaction billing. You could put some type of cart on you're website for purchasing packages, but that's debatable.

Well this will be shown all over the world not just in my city. Unlike Adwords where you can geographically target ads.

Hence geo-anchors.


Google maps will always be there, unless you run a seo or design business and they kick them out of the loop. You compete against that by just doing what you do, since people still use the organic spots. Or if they truly like being listed on a directory, then you could up-sell them on lbc listings.

Originally Posted by mikie46

Google maps is the highest link on the 1st page of Google when i type my city dentists and it shows a huge map with 10 or more dentists + their location. How can i compete against that?

Well, one way to approach it is having a "review" site for the companies you're dealing with... Google only gives contact information, you could spruce it up with review, video, "user" comments, etc. You're providing more service than Google currently can.

PS. Stop bumping this thread

How do you get your site to the top of google for the local keywords with getting in the google sandbox? I purchased a dentistinxxxx.com and purchased a 125 social bookmarking package from a reputible provider here and the site was in the top ten in two days. Now Im not in the top 100. I type my domain name and my site doesnt show up.

Originally Posted by transam7410

How do you get your site to the top of google for the local keywords with getting in the google sandbox?

I think you meant to say without getting sandboxed. You can get to the top for local searches using this method.

Originally Posted by MrMar

Just shows how the Google Keyword Tool can be absolutely inaccurate sometimes. I live in a city of 3 million people and the GKT says 'not enough data' .

Or that people use other keywords.

same here, I live in a city of 3 million++ people too! what should I say when the clients need proof?

What do you think will work out better for ranking?

Niche: "Dentist"

cityname.dentistdirectory.com/keyword-words

or

dentistsincity.com/keyword-words

I'm thinking in terms of expandability into other cities... because all that SEO work you've done for your homepage doesn't goto waste when you start getting into new cities!

im thinking of working with someone.. i have the fund available to totally dominate any state/USA for every possible business... example if the state is arizona, i can buy domains for all the towns for any business, basically i have 6 figs i can put away for this method.. I just tried it and it does work well, i just dont have time..

So i need someone who knows how to rank very well, I will work with him and we split $$ 50-50.. i would bring the funds, pay for hiring/training people to make calls to local businesses, and he would organize/coordinate it all..

im thinking big with this.. i've been doing some testing with this and its easy to make a few million a year from this method...

I tried a state in usa.. then bought domain for moving company, dentist, basically every possible variation:

citydentists.com
dentistscity.com
dentistsincity.com
citydentist.com
dentistcity.com
dentistincity.com

etc, i slapped on a page and im #1 already.. and im getting hits.. so i put a 1800 # and auto forwarded it to a random dentist, and i noticed its getting like 10-15 calls a week to that dentist..

the best way i think to do this is dont even call the dentist, just setup a 1800 #, forward him calls for a week, then u have the #'s.. then call him, tell him hey i sent you 10 prospects last week, and you can meet up with him locally..

the bottom line is that NOT every city will get leads, but man america has 300million people.. you can make a solid $xxx,xxx per state per niche easily... man....

What an amazing thread! Has anyone determined the minimum population a city should have if you want to get decent traffic? Since the Google keyword tool is so unreliable, I think estimating potential traffic based on population might be more accurate.

Originally Posted by MrMar

Nice plan, you can do lot's of money if you have the funds.

But do you really want to set up a 1800 number to every profession in each city?

Ah, glad to see you are using my combination of keyword domains...

the 800 # is only temporary.. and yeah i dont mind.. i have the funds to do this.. im testing out a method for ranking, if it works i'll hire staff and go down state by state, city by city, heck one state has like 100 good cities easily, and thats like 5000 domains/ $50,000 cost.... eh..lol.. but slow/steady steps