I have a local dentist site in a decent size city. It is on the first page of google and floats between the 1-3 position. Population for the city is around 400,000. I have held this position for almost a year. Uniques are 5-8 per day. I have tested different offers and still I have had only 1 person email stating that they were unemployed and had a request to have a tooth pulled and was financing offered since they had no money.

Unless traffic can be driven in addition to search I don't see it working. I built this site with the idea of leasing it but if I can't figure out how to get more traffic to it in order to generate any real leads I won't offer it. This site is a nice site with lots of informational pages, pictures, call to action, etc. I may be missing something, so if there are any other ideas I'll try it to see if it works.

Are you just using a contact form/email address to get potential leads? Personally, I wouldn't email a dentist if I needed dental work done. If an actual dentist were to lease it, and include information about their practice with a phone number, they may actually get some leads.

wait.. is the general concensus that this will work? i'm actually planning on doing this.. but don't want to start before knowing if it'll work or not (in the US)

ok guys you need to listen. this method will work and can work and does work, but it also cant work. I will explain this OP has giving everyone a gold nugget most will look at the gold nugget and they will view it as a coal, Others will look at the gold nugget and they will view it as a diamond. Listen this method will work if you follow the steps'

Target a niche
get the niche to the number 1 or top 5 spot ( i would prefer top 3 and you will see why )
get some backlinks
Post some information on the website to make it look active
Call up the client's and explain the situation to them, ( what i did was actually showed them where i was listed in google and i actually change the website to prove to them that i own it as proof.)Show them keyword research tool from Google to give them some idea on how targeted the keyword is and how many people search for it and how much money they can make from it. You can speak verbatim what the OP used for the clients but if they need a face to face then do it.You don't have anything to lose but everything to gain.
Profit from the method, Trust me Client will jump at it that means their company banner's will be on the top page of google means more exposure for them and their businesses. Think about it if your website banner was on #1 page for its keyword wouldn't you take the chance to pay to have it their meaning more business for you??

Rinse and Repeat with a different niche

Now i will give everyone a twist to this method
1. Create another blog or website change up the design and Market the website to more individual's listed within that target niche Yes you can make ton's of money and you can create a monopoly on that niche locally. Remember you never said that website will be #1 you just said on the front page of google Hence you can create 2 to 3 website pages within the same local niche and monetize off of it by calling other companies (So i will do the math for those who cant visualize what i am saying to make it easier for them. 500$ / 400$ per advertising spot, 4 / 5 advertising spot per page. 500 /400 per month lets do the math = 500 x 5 = 2500 per month Just to do some ( Back Linking & Article Writing heck I even did a write up about the company on the page to give them more assurance) Lets continue so lets say you created 3 websites that would be 2500 x 3 = a Whooping 7500$ per month just for doing some seo also remember since its local searching there wont be that huge of competition even though some area's are bigger than others) Ooh and if your wondering focus on getting 1 website filled with clients and some seo and back link's ( here is another secret...... outsource it shhhhhhh don't tell anybody ) when you outsource the work that basically means you only have to do the talking the outsourcing individual would charge's $100 to $200+ you still benefit's which will make your life easier since you don't have to worry about the seo or anything Shoot you can take your girlfriend, wife , cousin , aunt on vacation or make a down payment on the new car, or get a new house you will have more free time ) back to the subject then switch over to the new website and rinse and repeat and get that to top spot so your new set of clients will basically see where your listed and they will become interested. End result Rinse and Repeat the process


I really should write an Ebook on this method. because i have at least 3 to 4 different twist to this method which all can work it just depends on the individual and how much they believe in the method and willing to put forth the time and effort to work on it. Think about it you can rake in $7500 per month x 12 = 90,000 $ but it does require you to have an outsource team to do the seo and back linking ( or you can do it) and will require the much needed traffic to keep your client's happy which i know of some sure fire way's to obtain these traffic. But i would kindly appreciate Your thanks by clicking the green or yellow button

Why don't we link each other to increase our ranking?

Originally Posted by chaotic

Are you just using a contact form/email address to get potential leads? Personally, I wouldn't email a dentist if I needed dental work done. If an actual dentist were to lease it, and include information about their practice with a phone number, they may actually get some leads.

The call to action is a phone number. There is also a contact form as well. The phone number goes to a voice mailbox. I receive emails anytime someone calls that number regardless of whether they leave a message or not. It is a local number not an 800 number. Still not getting the calls.

Hmm that's strange. I wish I could help, but I'm still in the process of ranking my first local site. Maybe I can help you out if I am lucky enough to get it working.

Originally Posted by RobertC

The call to action is a phone number. There is also a contact form as well. The phone number goes to a voice mailbox. I receive emails anytime someone calls that number regardless of whether they leave a message or not. It is a local number not an 800 number. Still not getting the calls.

Maybe the keyword that you are ranking for is not a "buying" keyword???

Nice and good thinking.

Originally Posted by inumel

Now i will give everyone a twist to this method
1. Create another blog or website change up the design and Market the website to more individual's listed within that target niche Yes you can make ton's of money and you can create a monopoly on that niche locally. Remember you never said that website will be #1 you just said on the front page of google Hence you can create 2 to 3 website pages within the same local niche and monetize off of it by calling other companies (So i will do the math for those who cant visualize what i am saying to make it easier for them. 500$ / 400$ per advertising spot, 4 / 5 advertising spot per page. 500 /400 per month lets do the math = 500 x 5 = 2500 per month Just to do some ( Back Linking & Article Writing heck I even did a write up about the company on the page to give them more assurance) Lets continue so lets say you created 3 websites that would be 2500 x 3 = a Whooping 7500$ per month just for doing some seo also remember since its local searching there wont be that huge of competition even though some area's are bigger than others) Ooh and if your wondering focus on getting 1 website filled with clients and some seo and back link's ( here is another secret...... outsource it shhhhhhh don't tell anybody ) when you outsource the work that basically means you only have to do the talking the outsourcing individual would charge's $100 to $200+ you still benefit's which will make your life easier since you don't have to worry about the seo or anything Shoot you can take your girlfriend, wife , cousin , aunt on vacation or make a down payment on the new car, or get a new house you will have more free time ) back to the subject then switch over to the new website and rinse and repeat and get that to top spot so your new set of clients will basically see where your listed and they will become interested. End result Rinse and Repeat the process

Your post is one of the reasons I love this forum

Originally Posted by greenovni

Maybe the keyword that you are ranking for is not a "buying" keyword???

I am ranked right now #2 for (city)dentist #1 for dentist(city) #1 for best(city)dentist there are more that I ranked for but I considered these the top of my list. Now I do have the local listings 7 pack ahead of me and I'm not in it. I was going to list and optimize when I had the site leased.

Originally Posted by three3s

It's to do with having your business name description and domain keyword rich for the keyword you want to come top/near top on the business listings.

I watched a really good video about it by an Australian guy a while back and he showed you exactly how to game the google biz directory listings and it worked.

correct me if im wrong but as far as I can see there is hardly ANY SEO needed for this. Someone wants dentist in whatever area, register dentistincalifornia.com for example, someone wants a "dentist in california" and said website should appear in the number one spot or at least first page in google because of the keyword domain!?!?!

Isnt it that simple?!?

I am kind of doing this right now. I am selling businesses the actual keywords to get them to rank on Google local in the areas of their choice instead of making the niche website and putting the them on there. Which business model would you guys say is more profitable? Should I just use the keywords that I would sell to promote my own niche website and offer a spot on there instead?

Originally Posted by mcboosty

I am kind of doing this right now. I am selling businesses the actual keywords to get them to rank on Google local in the areas of their choice instead of making the niche website and putting the them on there. Which business model would you guys say is more profitable? Should I just use the keywords that I would sell to promote my own niche website and offer a spot on there instead?

If you were a dentist, what would you rather have?

1. A website on the first page with your ad on it. Hope that someone finds your ad and clicks it.
2. Your own organic listing on the first page.

You can sell option 2 for 4x what you can option 1, but you need to have a good relationship (ie, face-to-face) with the dentist to get him to sign up.

With option 1, sure you get less, but you could probably book the contract on the phone if you kept it to around $200 a month.

Originally Posted by behealthy

correct me if im wrong but as far as I can see there is hardly ANY SEO needed for this. Someone wants dentist in whatever area, register dentistincalifornia.com for example, someone wants a "dentist in california" and said website should appear in the number one spot or at least first page in google because of the keyword domain!?!?!

Isnt it that simple?!?

You think registering dentistincalifornia.com will get you immediately to position 1 for "dentist in california"?

mcbootsy: both bro expand your thinking. You can do both

6000RWHp: Also for you do both. Why just stick to 1 thing what i have learn in the IM world expand and twist your methods. You can make XXX with 1 method and you can make X,XXX with another why not do both?? and make XX,XXX

and 6000RWHP lol i was thinking the same thing. Guys you do have to put in some work to make it work. You do need to do the seo and some back linking to outrank your local competitor's


Ok Guys If you came to this point in the thread you have learned what you needed to learned for now . Thanks the OP for giving up such a wonderful Hybrid . But For those of you who are reading this its Time for you to GO AND PUT IT INTO REALITY. STOP READING AND START ACTING. because 99% of the people will sit here read the method and find 1000000000000 reason's why it cant work and will eventually dismiss its ingenuity. The other 1% will implement this method will encounter some resistance but will succeed and will become either 2500$ + richer in the process monthly. Seriously stop reading and get to implementing this method. The Op Has given you the Foundation and I have given You a new design to go along with the foundation. Get to Building That Beautiful House

i have tried this on a small scale and its a great method.
Thinking about outsorcing and expanding after reading this, thanks

Couple questions..

Can someone show me exactly what tool I should be using to check monthly keyword searches? I can't seem to find one.

Will companies do this without a contract and what not, or do I have to VERY professional about it? Would they go for simply testing out my services and if it works they buy, or is it going to be more complicated than that?

Is this something that I would have to pay taxes on and it be considered an actual "job"?

Do you think that it is realistic for me to try to do this full time out of high school? (I graduate in 4 months.)

*I'm only 17 so I'm sure I have a lot more to learn before I can do this. Hopefully my questions weren't too "noobish".

mistablackhat00 i sent you a pm bro to answer your questions

Originally Posted by 6000RWHP

You think registering dentistincalifornia.com will get you immediately to position 1 for "dentist in california"?

Nooo I dont. I know that, the operative word in my post was "hardly". Look at the method the OP posted and think about what happens when you have a website in a niche market/no competition. If you have ever ranked highly for your niche website projects you will know that ranking for a keyword registered domain with little but powerful SEO techniques is quite easy and you can get ranked in no time.

Originally Posted by mistablackhat00

Couple questions..

Can someone show me exactly what tool I should be using to check monthly keyword searches? I can't seem to find one.

Will companies do this without a contract and what not, or do I have to VERY professional about it? Would they go for simply testing out my services and if it works they buy, or is it going to be more complicated than that?

Is this something that I would have to pay taxes on and it be considered an actual "job"?

Do you think that it is realistic for me to try to do this full time out of high school? (I graduate in 4 months.)

*I'm only 17 so I'm sure I have a lot more to learn before I can do this. Hopefully my questions weren't too "noobish".

You can use the adwords keyword tool. Make sure to select "exact match" to get more accurate numbers, but keep in mind they are still not very accurate, and the data should only be used as an indicator.

I don't think a contract is necessary. I don't see why anyone would say no to a free trial. They have nothing to lose. You should try to act professional but I don't think it will make a whole lot of difference if you are offering a free trial and can give them results, they just want the extra business.

I don't see why you couldn't do it full time, but if it's important for you to have a stable income then you can just work on it in your free time. It will probably only take a few hours or a day of work to get a local site created and ranked, unless there is an unusual amount of competition. Yes, you have to pay taxes on basically any income you earn, unless you want to get in trouble with the IRS down the road.

I started doing online stuff when I was 16 and have never had a real job, your age makes no difference if you are properly motivated and actually act on things.

Originally Posted by xpiamchris

I feel like yelp.com ruins it for the US market... yelp has reviews on every local business : /
Would businesses still pay to be featured outside of yelp?

thoughts anyone?

I live in the U.S. and have never used (or heard of) yelp.com before your post. So, in all honesty, I doubt many offline business will know about yelp.com either.

Ok its not that hard to get your site citydentist.com on the first page or even #1 on the page. It does take some work. That being said I don't believe that just being on the first page is going to do much if its not going to generate any leads. You might get a few payments out of the dentist/business before they find out there not getting any calls. 8-10 unique visitors has not been enough to get calls for a free cleaning on my site. I have done this and from experience this is what I'm getting. If anyone has done this and can tell me how to fix that, then we'll have a system that works. There is no doubt in my mind that this site will not sell or be rented or even ads placed on it, but if no leads are generated then they will terminate.

Also, what kind of theme/content should I be using? Just the standard wordpress theme with a single blog post?

I would add some coupons to the site to entice the visitors to take action. It also could be a way for you to track your referrals.

Coupons aren't that common were I live (compared to USA). You would NEVER use a coupon at a dentist here

Which is better for SEO purposes - just a single page or a 'real' page with navigation and a lot of subpages?

Thanks!

Turn your site into a lead generation site. Add opt in form with extra fields for details. Have a strong call to action. Gather up your leads and give a few to the clients to test. Once they find out these leads are hot, they will want more for which you can charge them for.
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Originally Posted by cc1981

Coupons aren't that common were I live (compared to USA). You would NEVER use a coupon at a dentist here

Which is better for SEO purposes - just a single page or a 'real' page with navigation and a lot of subpages?

Thanks!

Same here in London. One thing I discovered that works quite
well is to offer a discount if they quote a reference number.

Get 10% off your first bill when you quote GONGAL.

HTH

Glenn

well..if you think they do NOT spend big bux, search for wealthy ......dentist.
dont want to give the guy any juice by listing the details. his program starts at 4500us down and 1600 a month ...
that may be the program referenced above.

Well, since this is BHW......

Why not create your site, get a few clients to sign up as has been suggested and get your $1000 / month from them. Then look through the websites that currently aren't on the first page for the keyword, and offer to assist them with their SEO!

You can use the fact that your site is on the first page for the keyword as proof of your abilities!

ya know guys there's more than 1 way to get traffic to your site... relying STRICTLY on google is a surefire way to set yourself up for failure

Mr SIX

THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO REALIZE IT THANK YOU!!! THERE IS MORE THAN 1 WAY TO GET LOCAL TRAFFIC TO YOUR WEBSITE. Honestly I just read Half of the post of people saying THis wont work I cant GEt Traffic. Please Think Your In Bhw Its all about thinking out of the box your in BHW for a reason you have to find ways to get local traffic. Keep twisting the method until you receive success it will happen but you cant give up

Can any of you guys have a short look at the German market?
See the results for a sample small city here:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=...meta=&aq=f&oq=

It is basically the same for EVERY city - the first 5 results are always local spam guides that have their own subpage for every friggin town with population over 50 -.-
They mostly have PR0 but somehow are ranking always on top.

You see any chance to pass them with a brand new domain and some blog backlinks? Is it worth the try or hopeless?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by cc1981

Can any of you guys have a short look at the German market?
See the results for a sample small city here:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=...meta=&aq=f&oq=

It is basically the same for EVERY city - the first 5 results are always local spam guides that have their own subpage for every friggin town with population over 50 -.-
They mostly have PR0 but somehow are ranking always on top.

You see any chance to pass them with a brand new domain and some blog backlinks? Is it worth the try or hopeless?

Thanks!

if there's a load of crappy spam sites in the top10 that means that there's not enough REAL quality results to show so google just lists what it's got. Provide google quality content to show it's users and you'll outrank the spam sites

Originally Posted by mrsix

if there's a load of crappy spam sites in the top10 that means that there's not enough REAL quality results to show so google just lists what it's got. Provide google quality content to show it's users and you'll outrank the spam sites

Problem is those spam sites are on first positions for every fucking city, may it be a 50 people town or the capital of Germany. Those sites have hundreds of employees employed just to scratch every single town with every single thing there... How can I possibly outrank those pages with millions of backlinks?

I wouldn't waste your time worrying about those sites within the dentist niche, just pick a different niche and move on...

Also, Google doesn't just see 'quality content' and think oh that's great. Those spam sites, especially if they have the keyword in the domain, are not so easy to outrank.

Originally Posted by stung

I wouldn't waste your time worrying about those sites within the dentist niche, just pick a different niche and move on...

Also, Google doesn't just see 'quality content' and think oh that's great. Those spam sites, especially if they have the keyword in the domain, are not so easy to outrank.

Those sites are in EVERY fucking niche... So no chance?

If you're thinking some shitty spam site or a directory of names/addresses qualifies as competition then just give up now imo.

Even minor SEO abilities/effort would smash those sites to bits

Yelp sucks! My wife owns a local biz and has hundreds of positive comments all over the web. What does Yelp post? Two negative comments and deletes all of the positive comments that her customers have posted! I'm blasting videos out now to drive the Yelp page to hell and never to be seen again by my wife's prospects!

man i hope i never give up what SPECIFIC industry i target my sites for.. seems like EVERYONE is gong after dentists.

the big money is in taxidermy
i dare you guys to have a sit with these people who will stuff your pets.
CRAZIES FTW!

My points exactly mrsix . See this is why i can get along with you. guys if you have spammy sites and directories listed over you its ok guys. What is the difference between them and you?? You will have your clients on the homepage of your website where they will be seen as real people. Those sites don't. If a client would ask me that question i would look at them and basically just tell them simply. If you want to be a number go with them if you want to be a real company then come with me.. To them your just a number lost somewhere in their sub pages where the people who pay more will have more exposure on their homepage. If you want to become a real entity then come to me where you will be on the homepage in plain sight and you will have a closer connection to the consumer's. With those site there is a brief short write up about your company which doesn't show who you are, as actually human beings but instead just a business. The best way for business to get consumer's are to connect with their targeted area's. Why do you think certain company hold free day at parks and have free giveaway?? Its all about having the individual build a connection with the company and to give the perception that they are human beings just like you and I. Thats why Pepsi,Coco Cola, Usa television show, iphone, etc etc and other major companies do things to interact with its consumer's. They found out the secret to marketing success . The question is will you??


Dang I am giving away to much info...................

I didn't say it was impossible, I just said it wasn't as easy as some people think.

This does work and it works very well especially if you set up a site for them to see. I have videos on my site and explain the importance of

-SEO
-SEM
-Social Media
blah blah blah

This business model alone allows me to work from home.

another thing you can do and which is what I do is pick only one time of niche like dentist eye surgeon or whatever and create a huge data bases from all around the country and build a directory for that niche. I do this and every site gets new backlinks on its own and you will have a shit ton of link juice to add to any new sites you add. once you have bulk you can offer more affordable prices maybe like 100 bucks a month to rent the entire site and tell them that they will be the only one in your directory. so not only will they be in your directory but they will have their own site to add whatever they want and make whatever tweaks they want.

for tracking get a 1-800 number and forward it to their number so you can so the ROI on Leads and how many leads they are getting from the site.

This is a true business model and is deff for the long run its not for anyone wanting to make fast money.

Originally Posted by stung

I didn't say it was impossible, I just said it wasn't as easy as some people think.

But to all the readers and fence sitters, this doesn't work. I can prove it i swear. There's alot of competition out there. I'm shaking. Somebody help me, they're everywhere! Unless someone can do it for me and prove it by having the check delivered to my door i'll not believe it or try it for one second.
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These are LOCAL and LOW competition terms at best. Provide Google what it wants and Google will reward you. Google wants to provide their users the most accurate and relevant results not just whatever crap they see on the web. If low quality "shotgun style" sites are ranking for local terms... then Google doesn't have what it REALLY wants to show its users.

Stop questioning things, bringing up all the various ifs/ands/buts and DO SOMETHING... ANYTHING... and learn from what your results are stop wanking off on BHW and work for a change. If you can't manage to do that, stop reading BHW now and start filling out an application for the local grocer as a bag boy/girl.