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    Default Guys: Kindle is the Ticket!

    Seriously. It's the most successful way I've found to make money online. Yes, it has a lot of drawbacks (which I'll mention in a minute), but holy s*** do the rewards ever make up for them! I only seriously started attempting to make money with Kindle 2 months ago. I wrote, prepped, and released a book a week, until I figured out a better outsourcing system. I now have 20 books up and am averaging a new book every 2 to 3 days. My latest book was just released last week and, well, since then it's sold 500+ copies. I know, I still can't believe it when I look at the reports, but it's not going away. At even $2/book profit, that's not too shabby.

    Okay, this isn't to say that this is easy or there aren't cons. There are. Lots of them. Which is why, I imagine, there's not a lot of Kindle talk around this forum.

    Con #1: It's a LOT of work. Even if you're outsourcing. I started by doing it all myself: research, writing, formatting, cover design, uploading, marketing. Everything. It's a huge time investment, and I suspect this is the step that scares most people off.

    Con #2: It's NOT instantaneous. We're always looking for quick money in the IM world. Kindle is not that. It takes time and effort to build up an audience, to learn how to outsource correctly, to streamline the process for efficiency. It's worth it, but it does take a great deal of time.

    Con #3: Kindle is not PLR friendly, is not article spinning friendly, is not black hat friendly, etc, etc. This probably also scares a lot of people off. Mess with Kindle, and it will blacklist you. But even playing by the rules has gotten me much more than black hat stuff ever did.

    Okay, it's not all doom and gloom. Let's see some pros.

    Pro #1: Once you've uploaded a book, it's (nearly) set, forget, and earn. My very first book took me a long time to research, write, format, etc. It was a pain. But you know what? Since I uploaded it 2 months ago, I have done zero marketing, zero promotion, and have spent zero effort on it. Guess what: it's still averaging about 10 sales per day. That's with zero work on my part. IMO, that's well worth the initial effort. A few days pain for recurring money daily - I'll take that any day.

    Pro #2: Tied in with Pro #1 is the fact that, if you sign up for KDP Select, you hardly have to do any marketing (unless you want, of course). I have a series of books in a non-fiction, educational sort of niche. I have done zero marketing on them. No blogs, no twitter, no fb, nada. All 4 books are in the Top 10 in their Kindle category. If you create a quality book, Amazon will market it for you. It will start showing up in people's feeds, in "people who bought X, also bought Y", and all that type of stuff. It's beautiful. Set and forget.

    Pro #3: Once you get a system down, you can easily produce a book a day. Even if you only make one sale a day, that's $2. You have 10 books? That's $20 a day. You have 50 book? Hello, $100 per day. The possibilities are endless. Literally.

    Okay, okay, enough of the rant. Just wanted to share what (I think) is an under-looked market on this forum. Yes, it's not black hat. Yes, it's not quick and easy money. But it's sustainable and, if done right, really profitable.

    My tips:

    Do your research (I'll post more on this later, if wanted)
    Produce (or outsource) quality content.
    Enroll in KDP.
    Set a goal of 1 book per month, per week, or per day even (if the quality doesn't suffer).
    Use the same pen name for similar books, to build up an audience and make each book easier to find.
    Put links to your books at the end of all of your other books, to make them easier to find.
    Sit back and enjoy.

    Any questions, I'd be happy to try and answer them. I've only been doing it 2 months, but I've been doing it nearly 24/7 and have learned a lot. Been using this forum for awhile now, and finally have something to give back to the community!
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    That's a great post man. How many pages are these books?

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    Nice post OP. How long are these books? Because if they're like the average book, 150 to 250 pages, that might be hard to reproduce daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxf8xx View Post
    That's a great post man. How many pages are these books?
    They range anywhere from 20 to 200 pages. Depends a great deal on what the subject is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by festeris101 View Post
    Nice post OP. How long are these books? Because if they're like the average book, 150 to 250 pages, that might be hard to reproduce daily.
    Yea, it would be hard to produce a novel per day

    Mine range from 20 to 200, but honestly, if you find a good team of writers, and you stagger their start times, you might be able to upload a novel every week or so (of course, that would require WAY more money upfront, but that's another discussion...)

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    I'm interested in how you research

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    I would like to learn about your research, also what does it cost to outsource that to a quality writer? 200 pages would have to be expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcmoseley View Post
    I'm interested in how you research
    Well, first I look through some of these, to get an idea of what's hot or trending on Kindle lately:

    Best Sellers in Kindle Store:
    Amazon Best Sellers: best Kindle Store

    Hot New Releases in Kindle Store:
    Amazon.com Hot New Releases: The best-selling new & future releases in Kindle Store

    Movers & Shakers in Kindle Store:
    Amazon.com Movers & Shakers: The biggest gainers in Kindle Store sales rank over the past 24 hours

    Top Rated in several categories:
    Amazon.com Top Rated: The best in Kindle Store based on Amazon customer reviews

    Each of these sections allow you to drill further down and find top rated/best seller titles on a lot of subtopics to. Now, some people quit here and just try to copy exactly the subject of these. I don't think that's necessary (or even a good idea). Those areas, though they're best-sellers, are saturated. What you want to do is find something tangentially related to those topics, but where you can see an opening.

    So, let's say I check out the Hot New Releases section. Then I drill down to Self Help, and then Inner Child. I see the #1 seller is a 36 page book about dealing with grief. It's a really cheesy book with simple drawing and not a whole lot of text. Okay, easy enough. So I think, what's related to dealing with grief? I don't know, how about...dealing with job loss? Sure, why not. I can easily write a cheesy little story (or outsource it) about a police dog who is "let go" one day, for a new younger dog, and how he finds a new job as a seeing eye dog. Stupid, but it sells. I outsource the drawings, put it together and format it, and it can be up in 48 hours or less. Now, it's probably not going to be a #1 best-seller. But I can (nearly) guarantee that, if done the right way, the half hour I spend writing it, the few bucks I spend on outsourcing, and the hour I spend refining and uploading everything will pay for itself in a week or two, and then just start earning on auto-pilot.

    That's how I research. Although, I should say, I would never choose that niche. So far, I've only published things that I am at least somewhat interested in. That makes it SO much easier to spend the necessary time editing and adding in something personal, that makes the book that much better.

    If you don't even enjoy writing it, nobody is going to enjoy reading it.

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    Is there a price range you have to sell your book at on the kindle network? I noticed that you were talking $2 profit range. Thanks for the share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tohbetobi View Post
    Is there a price range you have to sell your book at on the kindle network? I noticed that you were talking $2 profit range. Thanks for the share.
    I think $0.99 is the lowest? And ...who knows how high is the highest. But if it's less than $2.99, you only get 30% of the profits. Which, on a $0.99 book (which the majority are, it seems) is just a TERRIBLE profit margin. My lowest books are $2.99. From that, and any price above, you get 70% profit. Not too shabby.

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    Hmm... i think this method just needs the right twist and it'll be gold.
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    When making a deal to outsource your writing, how much do you pay your writers? Do you pay per 100 words etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by moneysavvy View Post
    When making a deal to outsource your writing, how much do you pay your writers? Do you pay per 100 words etc..
    No, I like to pay per project, as opposed to per word. I work out a flat fee with them for the project. I found out the hard way that if you pay by words, or per 100 words, writers will just write as much B.S. as they can to inflate the word count and charge you more. Lesson learned.

    Now, I'm very upfront from the beginning about my expectations, what the flat fee will be, and what that covers. Haven't had any problems since switching to that method.

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    Thanks for sharing. I would make some research about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GobBluthJD View Post
    No, I like to pay per project, as opposed to per word. I work out a flat fee with them for the project. I found out the hard way that if you pay by words, or per 100 words, writers will just write as much B.S. as they can to inflate the word count and charge you more. Lesson learned.

    Now, I'm very upfront from the beginning about my expectations, what the flat fee will be, and what that covers. Haven't had any problems since switching to that method.
    Thanks for your quick reply! One more question. How much do you typically pay per project? I know this all depends on the number of pages and the topic at hand but what would you say is the average amount paid? and you do not need to reveal your writers but do you usually get them from this forum or other sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moneysavvy View Post
    Thanks for your quick reply! One more question. How much do you typically pay per project? I know this all depends on the number of pages and the topic at hand but what would you say is the average amount paid? and you do not need to reveal your writers but do you usually get them from this forum or other sources?
    Yes, prices completely depend on the length of the project, how much I already have outlined, etc. The least I've paid is $5, the most I've paid (so far) is $45. The quality definitely goes up with pricing, I've found, so the one I'm currently working on (but haven't had to make payment yet) is I hired someone for a series of 4 books, $100 total.

    I haven't hired anyone from here. I've used a couple of the big freelancing/outsourcing sights around the web. This is probably one of the most time-consuming things I've done, actually. It's really difficult to find a freelancer that (a) fits the bill, (b) is timely, and (c) will actually do the work.

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    Very informative post. I am sure that those of our members who are
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    +Rep given . . . Keep up the good work!

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    Great info. Been meaning to look into kindle for a while now. +rep

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    Why not step up in your game. start selling all your books on the following networks:

    1) Iphone/ipad.

    2) Google play store.

    3) EBay (yes people buy books from there, but they usually suck).

    Boom, I just tripled your income

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    Hey OP I've got a question.

    $2.99 vs higher price, which do you find is more profitable overall?

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    I really appreciate you bringing this up. Back before I started working on my site, this was actually something that I had planned on doing. I got so obsessed with SEO that I forgot all about it. I have heard a few people say that this is a wonderful opportunity for passive income. I found out about it mid 2012 from a guy on YouTube. One of his subscribers supposedly sent him proof that he had made around 20k doing this. I don't know if this was with 1 book or more though. He kept saying that you can't go wrong writing about ways to make money. That topic is probably saturated now but I'm sure you could add a twist to it. Anyway, thanks for posting this and good luck with your books!

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    How much do you earn per day now on average ? how many books do you have online ? how long does it take till the books die and stop generating income ?

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    How many words are your books roughly?

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    what niches do you normally do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizGizmo View Post
    @GobBluthJD:

    Very informative post. I am sure that those of our members who are
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    +Rep given . . . Keep up the good work!

    Cheers! - "Wiz"
    Cheers, Sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfan View Post
    Why not step up in your game. start selling all your books on the following networks:

    1) Iphone/ipad.

    2) Google play store.

    3) EBay (yes people buy books from there, but they usually suck).

    Boom, I just tripled your income
    I've experimented with this. None of it was even close to the profit I get from KDP Select. The thing is, Amazon is one of the most visited sites in the world. And Amazon loves people that enroll in KDP Select. What does that mean? They'll promote my book for free. And they're powerful promoters.

    Once you start selling outside of Amazon, they stop promoting. And, so far at least, I've found any slight gain in sales from other locations is miniscule compared to KDP Select sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffy View Post
    Hey OP I've got a question.

    $2.99 vs higher price, which do you find is more profitable overall?
    Totally dependent on genre and quality of your book. I have some that are $2.99, and one at $9.99. People buy the more expensive one because it's in a niche where all books are expensive. But you don't want to overprice yourself. I'd rather sell 10 at $2.99 for $20 profit, than 1 at $9.99.

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    I remember when I released non fiction ebook and put it to KDP. It was during christmas. I made XXX in some days. But I dont know how everybody can make KDP on autopilot. I have 10 fiction books. Pages 20-70 , nice covers. Have one sale so far after some months and when I put ebook for free promotion I rarely get 100 downloads.

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    This can work but the challenge is in getting noticed among the 135,000 ebook titles added by Amazon every year to their retail site. Amazon only has a 45% share of all ebook sales globally!

    There are many scams including WSOs that claim to rank your ebook high at Amazon. Almost all are variations of finding niches that are competitively weak and placing your ebook in that niche regardless of your original subject matter. There are also a number of schemes on how to get the appropriate positive book reviews as well among well known Amazon reviewers.

    Tackle these issues in your campaign and you can make money from ebooks. Rep to GoBluthJD for pointing this method out to BHW members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diemou View Post
    I remember when I released non fiction ebook and put it to KDP. It was during christmas. I made XXX in some days. But I dont know how everybody can make KDP on autopilot. I have 10 fiction books. Pages 20-70 , nice covers. Have one sale so far after some months and when I put ebook for free promotion I rarely get 100 downloads.
    I can take a look at it, if you want, and see if there is any glaring mistake that you can easily fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bertbaby View Post
    This can work but the challenge is in getting noticed among the 135,000 ebook titles added by Amazon every year to their retail site. Amazon only has a 45% share of all ebook sales globally!

    There are many scams including WSOs that claim to rank your ebook high at Amazon. Almost all are variations of finding niches that are competitively weak and placing your ebook in that niche regardless of your original subject matter. There are also a number of schemes on how to get the appropriate positive book reviews as well among well known Amazon reviewers.

    Tackle these issues in your campaign and you can make money from ebooks. Rep to GoBluthJD for pointing this method out to BHW members.
    Totally agree. I would stay away from any WSO offering "guaranteed Kindle success!". Nobody can guarantee success. I'm just sharing what's worked for me. I've gotten a lot of great, free advice here, so if anyone can take what's worked for me, and tweak it so it works for them, that'd be great.

    You don't need to spend money on WSO's to learn the material!

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    Great share, OP! I've always been interested in Kindle as I've been a writer most of my life, but people were saying you had to promote your books heavily yourself otherwise you were dead in the water. The fact that you say you are getting these 'passive' sales without actively having to promote the books yourself is encouraging news.

    I have a question:

    How long after you upload a book do you begin to see steady sales? Does it take weeks or even months to see decent sales?

    Thanks again for the share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfatcat View Post

    How long after you upload a book do you begin to see steady sales? Does it take weeks or even months to see decent sales?

    Thanks again for the share.
    Well, through trial and error, I've found a system that works for me. If you enroll in KDP Select, you can list your book for free for up to 5 days in every 90 day cycle (I believe). So what I do, is when the book is first launched, I make it free for 5 days in a row, right away. Then, there are a number of websites that will post Free Kindle books, so I submit my free book to those sites, for some extra juice.

    Usually this results in a lot of free downloads. These, in turn, make your book jump to the top of the chart for its genre. You'll also get a couple of reviews, if the book merits it. Then, after the 5 days of free, you have a book sitting at the top of the charts, with a couple good reviews, and people are MUCH more inclined to buy a book at the top of the charts with good reviews!

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    Great share thanks op

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    Great share. I actually have one of my former writers leave so that she can start in the amazon kindle publishing industry, not exactly being a writer. It seems the recurring theme is that it take a little bit to build up, but ultimately you gain momentum.

    Nice OP, keep it up.

    Speaking of Amazon, anybody heard of the new Amazing Selling Machines? It sounds promising, although they've already closed their doors. Sounds like an interesting way to sell on amazon (that I certainly never thought of at least)

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    I have always kicked around being an author in my spare time. Successfully created a following and made money from blogging and turned that into an SEO Career.

    Your post has inspired me to add books to my income streams.

    I am not an artist though. How much do you usually pay for cover art?

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    I am not an artist though. How much do you usually pay for cover art?
    I make the covers myself. It's really easy, with free stock photography sites, and a decent photo editor. I used to get them off Fiverr, some good, some bad, until I decided that's an area of the process I could save money and just do it myself.

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    Great post. Agreed that there is a ton of work to do in getting a bunch of books live on Kindle. From that point onwards, it can be autopilot income for quite a while.

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    Can you please answer my question ?

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    So people on the kindle just buy random books from no name authors about random arse stuff for $3.00?
    I dont get it.
    Your saying they just search around and say, "hey, heres a book about a cop losing his job written by joe nobody, sweet lets download it for $3" ???
    Really? Can you show me an example of one of your books please? PM me. I mean if they do Im going to start writing, sounds like a nice way for long term passive income

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    There's a great point, what do you put for the authors name? and do you in anyway brand them as part of a series in anyway? Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0u4bD4 View Post
    How much do you earn per day now on average ? how many books do you have online ? how long does it take till the books die and stop generating income ?
    Obviously, sales per day varies. I've sold 79 books today, if that helps.
    I have 21 books online currently (and 2 more that will be published this week).
    I don't know. None of my books have died and stopped generating income. If anything, they've grown. My #1 best seller (until my newest release last week) has been my #1 best seller for the past 2+ months, and shows no signs of slowing down.

    It's all about picking a topic that is evergreen.

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    Sorry, it got lost in the shuffle. I just answered it!

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    So people on the kindle just buy random books from no name authors about random arse stuff for $3.00?
    I dont get it.
    Your saying they just search around and say, "hey, heres a book about a cop losing his job written by joe nobody, sweet lets download it for $3" ???
    Really? Can you show me an example of one of your books please? PM me. I mean if they do Im going to start writing, sounds like a nice way for long term passive income
    I can't speak for other Kindle people, but I suppose with some of the crazy fiction out there, people DO just buy random books. I don't know. I don't write fiction.

    I write non-fiction only. These are topics that people don't care who the author is. They are after the information. That's the key. Write something about a topic that people are actively searching for information about (easy enough, with Google Keyword Tools). They type that keyword in on the Kindle store. Boom. There my books are. They don't care if John Grisham wrote it, or Joe Nobody. They just want the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panther28 View Post
    There's a great point, what do you put for the authors name? and do you in anyway brand them as part of a series in anyway? Cheers
    I use different pen names for each different niche/topic. I then write numerous, related books related to that first book. Customers see my name pop up on similar books. I link to my other books inside my book at the end, so they find them there too. Apparently it works: just got a review today saying they're recommending the book to their friends and they're checking out the other books by the same author (me).

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