Update

I was online so I thought I'd post a quick update.

We have stopped making new micro niche sites because I have all the employees working on expanding some of the small websites into big authority websites. This is obviously temporary until we complete the work on authority websites and have enough articles for all.

We had to move some resources around. Infact, we now have more people working on this project. We have added 4 data entry guys who are offshore and one more writers on the team. We have close to 500 micro niche websites at this point, all of them with 8-10 pages of unique 500+ word article. About 80% are complete and rest havent been put together yet.

I was pleasantly surprised to see quick results with micro niche websites. At this point we are making about $100/day consistently on average just from our small sites. Most of this is from adsense and I believe we have 300 or so sites with adsense. We are also experimenting with clickbank and CPA offers but mostly for our authority websites.

I was planning to keep the cashflow going with sale of sites on flippa but forget that when you can make way more keeping the websites. I still want to sell some, infact I need to sell some soon to cover some of the small expenses like BMR but I definitely dont plan on selling a lot.

So far almost all of my predictions have been true since they were based on my previous batch of MNS and I have noticed the same averages/trends with this project too. There are some sites that are prob gonna average $2-$3 per month but then there are also those that are making $10+/day. So we are picking the winners and expanding them even further. What I have realized is that, you need to have atleast 10-20 MNS sites to really see the potential. If you start with one to test, you may get lucky and start making $10/day from it but chances are it wont get there and you will be discouraged before even giving the whole thing a go.

I also think it is VERY important to expand your winners. If you are not then you are leaving money on table and I hate that more than losing money!

Our authority sites are doing great, so far our success rate with those is 100% because we are expanding the winners only and you cant go wrong with that.

Ideally, I would like to have 50-100 big authority websites each making $1k+/month and thats enough for retirement and I know most arent gonna believe me just like most didnt agree with my projections when I started but I think I can hit that goal in less than 6 months at the pace I am going.

There are some negatives too and I would like to share the bad things about this project aswell. Our cashflow is hurting big time! So far we are making enough to cover 40% of the expenses every month but this is not too bad considering this is only a month old project. At this rate, we should be breaking even at the end of this month and then its all profit. Not to mention that these sites are cash assets. I can probably sell everything right now for almost $100k so thats a good thing but this is pretty stressing. Knowing that you are on right path but you arent sure if you'll make it to the destination before you run out of money.

We need to do something quick to increase cashflow, even if its enough to cover some costs. At this point, one screw up in this project can put us in deep hole. Not even a single day of downtime can be tolerated and ofcourse we are hoping Google doesnt come out with some new obnoxious changes, its unlikely but still possible.

Win A Free MNS Website Every 10 Days

Like I mentioned in one of my last post. I think a contest to give out a free MNS website every 10 days can encourage people to add value to this thread. Post more quality posts and start a good active discussion on MNS, adsense or SEO in general. So this is what I am going to do and I am hoping this is not against the forum rules otherwise ofcourse we cant do this.

I will offer a free MNS website to 1 contributor in this thread who has the most "thanked" post every 10 days. Here are the rules

Post must be related to what we are doing. No jokes or riddles to get thanks
Post must add value to this thread and forum.
Get the most thanks on your post in this thread and you get a free MNS site from me.
If one of my posts has the most thanks, then nobody gets the site for that 10 day period.

I'll announce the first winner 10 days from now. I encourage everyone to add value to this thread and forum and press thanks button for all posts that you find useful.

Goodluck everyone!

I really have no chance at winning any of those sites but would be interested in buying one if you would allow me to. A bit curious though why take on more employees if you are only covering 40% of expenses so far?

Originally Posted by berthfield

I really have no chance at winning any of those sites but would be interested in buying one if you would allow me to. A bit curious though why take on more employees if you are only covering 40% of expenses so far?

I'll let you know if or when I am ready to sell a few off.

Reason why we added more employees was because we needed more data entry to balance the work. Our costs did not increase significantly because of this because we are using our offshore employees to do that and they are costing us $210/month fulltime 6 days a week.

To be honest, we are not even covering 40%, more like 35% but the fact that we know its heading the right way and because I now have support of my partners with this, I am more confident than ever to get to that $100k goal very soon just from good old content and SEO.

If you manage to cover 35% of your expenses still after the first month of launching the project, you should be happy! You know better than me that Adsense works on an avalanche principal


Soon you will be rich

Originally Posted by ginder

Its build my rank. A blog network which offers you link back for each post you write.

Its a paid network but worth every penny.

Great thread. I admire what you are doing. Out of curiosity is it possible to get targeted traffic from BMR?

Originally Posted by todor

If you manage to cover 35% of your expenses still after the first month of launching the project, you should be happy! You know better than me that Adsense works on an avalanche principal


Soon you will be rich

That looks sexy! I wish I could start seeing that kind of consistent growth on our sites already. None of my charts are trending so nicely just yet.

Originally Posted by DougA

Great thread. I admire what you are doing. Out of curiosity is it possible to get targeted traffic from BMR?

I am sure you get some traffic but dont hope for anything significant. I have some domains that I am doing maximum number of posts per day allowed (10) and I dont think I have noticed any referral traffic even on those sites but its a big help with search engines, atleast so far.

I was doing some reverse engineering on some of the websites in BMR network and I am a little concerned after noticing that those blogs/sites dont seem to be getting much love in SERPS even though they are loaded with unique content. There is ofcourse always the risk of it getting over saturated so we need to quickly add more to our SEO strategy.

If all the things keep working the way they are, I am going to be one happy man but reality or more like past experience has taught me that shit will screw up sooner or later, gotta be prepared and gotta have lot of backup plans.

Fingers crossed! We wont be giving up, thats for sure!

Things sound good. The only suggestion that I have is to stop the writers a week and have all the data entry people put together the other 200 sites. This could be another $100 a day and one week with payroll will give you some breathing room.

Also, how much do you think it's costing you per article. Sound like 2 cents per word?

Subscribed. Good luck Mate

This IS very intresting to follow, hope eveything goes well and you reach your goals in time! will subscribe to this!

Originally Posted by ginder

That looks sexy! I wish I could start seeing that kind of consistent growth on our sites already. None of my charts are trending so nicely just yet.



I am sure you get some traffic but dont hope for anything significant. I have some domains that I am doing maximum number of posts per day allowed (10) and I dont think I have noticed any referral traffic even on those sites but its a big help with search engines, atleast so far.

I was doing some reverse engineering on some of the websites in BMR network and I am a little concerned after noticing that those blogs/sites dont seem to be getting much love in SERPS even though they are loaded with unique content. There is ofcourse always the risk of it getting over saturated so we need to quickly add more to our SEO strategy.

If all the things keep working the way they are, I am going to be one happy man but reality or more like past experience has taught me that shit will screw up sooner or later, gotta be prepared and gotta have lot of backup plans.

Fingers crossed! We wont be giving up, thats for sure!

How about getting some nice tier one web 2.0 properties and mini blogs built so you can have your own little network for each site. You will get a lot of traffic from these as well, also you have tons of content writers so this should be a nice little added boost in traffic/revenue for your project.

I don't know, but I think there are lots of different things you could be taking advantage of to make this whole thing easier and more profitable overall

Originally Posted by dankerman666

How about getting some nice tier one web 2.0 properties and mini blogs built so you can have your own little network for each site. You will get a lot of traffic from these as well, also you have tons of content writers so this should be a nice little added boost in traffic/revenue for your project.

I don't know, but I think there are lots of different things you could be taking advantage of to make this whole thing easier and more profitable overall

That will get complicated very fast and I am trying to make things easier for myself. Few dollars a month to get access to a huge network is good enough for me. We just need to add few more things, besides blog networks in our SEO strategy!

Just wondering about one thing on the sites you wanna sell.

In today's update you talk about some sites will probably only average at 2-3 bucks a month and in your sales thread you claim they will likely earn the 50$ back in a few months.

Don't get me wrong, but seems like your trying to get rid of the low performers by selling them.

Now a few suggestion when looking at your example site from sales thread.

Your listing a email on the contacts pages. Get ready for spam.

Choice of clickbump theme is way to risky. Major footprint and sooner or later you risk on getting deindexed and adsense accounts banned.
Check the source code from any clickbump theme.
<div class="clickbumped no-excerpt wrapper">
/themes/clickbump_wp3/styles/clickbumped/style.css

Suggestion, rename the theme and change names in css to avoid any clickbump footprints.

Or better buy a custom click theme and create a few different themes with different footprint.

Clean up side menu, way to much distraction possible lowering click ratio.

I don't see any images at all (include image(s) with name and alt text for keyword.)

No interlinking the pages ?

One or two links to big auth sites in posts. Might seem less like a mfa site to mr G. At least some thinks so.

Well just a few suggestions.

Originally Posted by Calculons

Choice of clickbump theme is way to risky. Major footprint and sooner or later you risk on getting deindexed and adsense accounts banned.

Could you please expain why clickbump will get your sites deindexed and adsense account banned?

Originally Posted by Calculons

Just wondering about one thing on the sites you wanna sell.

In today's update you talk about some sites will probably only average at 2-3 bucks a month and in your sales thread you claim they will likely earn the 50$ back in a few months.

Don't get me wrong, but seems like your trying to get rid of the low performers by selling them.

Now a few suggestion when looking at your example site from sales thread.

Your listing a email on the contacts pages. Get ready for spam.

Choice of clickbump theme is way to risky. Major footprint and sooner or later you risk on getting deindexed and adsense accounts banned.
Check the source code from any clickbump theme.
<div class="clickbumped no-excerpt wrapper">
/themes/clickbump_wp3/styles/clickbumped/style.css

Suggestion, rename the theme and change names in css to avoid any clickbump footprints.

Or better buy a custom click theme and create a few different themes with different footprint.

Clean up side menu, way to much distraction possible lowering click ratio.

I don't see any images at all (include image(s) with name and alt text for keyword.)

No interlinking the pages ?

One or two links to big auth sites in posts. Might seem less like a mfa site to mr G. At least some thinks so.

Well just a few suggestions.

Like I requested, all questions about sales in the sales thread but I'll reply to your post.

We are not getting rid of low performers. Even our low performers are making enough to ask for $200-$300 for each website. These websites are only 1-2 days old so there is no way for us to figure out if they are low performers in 1-2 days.

Regarding your suggestions on example site. Its much appreciated but keep in mind, its a sample site. I dont want the whole world to know our exact strategy. So there are few things like the way they are on purpose

Originally Posted by phans

Could you please expain why clickbump will get your sites deindexed and adsense account banned?

Your kidding right ?

Webmaster Quality Guidelines
support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35769

Adsense policy
google.com/adsense/policies


Also I said there is a chance. In this scale op is doing the risk is growing potentially.

Then it's down to covering the trakcs with multiple hosts, adsencse account etc to avoid getting the whole network deindexed and in worst case adsense account(s) banned.

Usually it's a fine line between mfa sites(which might get you banned / deindexed) and "content rich" sites when dealing with micro / mini niche sites.

Sorry if it's a noob question, but how do you build hundreds of sites so fast?

Just notepad or you're using some tools to make it faster?

Also, how much time/effort do you spend on design. Do you photoshop a good logo for each MNS or just for the ones that get more traffic and you try to develop into authority sites? Do you use premade (either paid or free) photoshop templates for logos?

Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by [Bender]

Sorry if it's a noob question, but how do you build hundreds of sites so fast?

He is using wordpress, it is a blogging platform that is usually used as a content management system.

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I wish you the best of luck because, unlike your partners, you've shown that you've got a got heart by keeping your team and not kicking them to the curb and doing your collective best to ensure that you can all eat. Alas, they had to go in the end due to your restructuring and budget. Go Humans!

Originally Posted by Calculons

Your kidding right ?

Webmaster Quality Guidelines
support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35769

Adsense policy
google.com/adsense/policies


Also I said there is a chance. In this scale op is doing the risk is growing potentially.

Then it's down to covering the trakcs with multiple hosts, adsencse account etc to avoid getting the whole network deindexed and in worst case adsense account(s) banned.

Usually it's a fine line between mfa sites(which might get you banned / deindexed) and "content rich" sites when dealing with micro / mini niche sites.

i know and read all of the guidelines and i don't see why clickbump should be a potenial risk for getting sites deindex/ adsense banned...
my english isn't the best so maybe i didn't understand your point 100%...
i know that google will ban you for mfa sites but you can make mfa sites with every theme... that doesn't has anything to do with clickbumb...
if you offer great content why would google bother? that's what adsense is all about... as long as the content is good or better great you won't get banned... as far as i understand mfa sites are sites that are made just to force clicks on sites with mostly poor quality content

Originally Posted by Calculons

Your kidding right ?

Webmaster Quality Guidelines
support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35769

Adsense policy
google.com/adsense/policies


Also I said there is a chance. In this scale op is doing the risk is growing potentially.

Then it's down to covering the trakcs with multiple hosts, adsencse account etc to avoid getting the whole network deindexed and in worst case adsense account(s) banned.

Usually it's a fine line between mfa sites(which might get you banned / deindexed) and "content rich" sites when dealing with micro / mini niche sites.

I have already gone over this issue in my thread before but to make it clear. I am not hiding my tracks from Google or Adsense. I am hiding my tracks from competitors. I dont care about Google or Adsense banning me because unless they are banning every single site out there, I dont need to be worried.

There is a very clear line between MFA and our sites. Our sites really are content rich, we are not putting up one page per site. 10+ articles and then we are expanding the winners into 100s of pages of content.

You are wrong to assume that a theme or any kind of callback can trigger a ban across the network. Yes it can trigger a manual review and ofcourse the chance of manual review of sites using a specific theme which is getting spammed is high but there is no way they can ban all the sites just based on the theme that they are using.

I can guarantee you that, our websites will pass any manual review. We have 500-2000 word articles loaded up on site, unique articles written by US natives. Its not junk content so I welcome any manual review from Google or Adsense, infact I am pretty sure I have already been through that process with some sites.

Spoke with Ginder this morning and I'm purchasing 5 of his sites.

Been following this thread since the beginning and plan to build these 5 sites in a similar method to Ginder and with any luck start achieving similar results.

Will keep you updated.

Ginder, on the sample website, most of the keywords including the main keyword get on average 300 exact searches/month... why you've picked up so low traffic keywords?

You had to put some 1000+ search volume keywords exactly because it's sample site and thousands of people will see it... for example I was considering buying a website from you, but when I saw these low numbers I gave up... just suggestion.

Originally Posted by todor

Ginder, on the sample website, most of the keywords including the main keyword get on average 300 exact searches/month... why you've picked up so low traffic keywords?

You had to put some 1000+ search volume keywords exactly because it's sample site and thousands of people will see it... for example I was considering buying a website from you, but when I saw these low numbers I gave up... just suggestion.

I honestly just had one of my staff member send me a site that wasnt connected to many others in any way and was also new so there was no SEO work or adsense on it, this is what he found me and thats what I put on the thread. Didnt feel the need to make a special sample site because I dont plan to offer that service for a long time but anyways, its great because it shows exactly what kind of sites we are building and how its different from others.

Now I know there are many who live and die by that rule of 1000+ search volume, it means nothing unless you can rank top 3. Our strategy with these sites is long tail keywords with help of content.

One of the biggest requirement for our domains/sites is that they should be able to be expanded into huge authority sites. Now I can find an EMD and keywords that are getting 1000+ searches/month like "blah blah itching cream" but you cant grow a site based on something so specific like that into a 500 page authority website if it was a winner.

While I know it effects our average earnings a little bit but at the end we still make a lot more money because we are not leaving anything on the table by not being able to expand. Not to mention the fact that, few BMR posts targeting such low competition keywords puts us in top 3 spots so we make a lot more lot easily than we would with the criteria that rest of the world is trying to follow. To each his own I guess, I am gonna stick with what works best for me.

Been following this thread and I am impressed with the focus and drive OP has. Well spoken and clearly knows what he is doing. I was reading along this thread and got excited when there was a sample site available, cool! And then I actually saw the site.... Im going to be honest now champ. That s**t ain't gonna fly in 2012.

No interlinking, no images or videos, no linking out to authorities, no custom header. Man I can't even imagine how your big 100+ page sites will look!

I read some articles on the sample site and they were pretty good. But it wont matter how good they are as long as the site looks like every other Asian-made mfa site.

Im not knocking your hustle at all, I was just shocked at how terrible that sample page looked.

I am going to probably buy some sites from Ginder but here is my attempt to impress the crowd and perhaps win one too.

The common knowledge is that a page should have one primary and one possibly two secondary keywords. But what if you wanted to target 5 or 6 keyword phrases in the same article? Would that result in more traffic to your MNS?

Here is the answer that I think everyone should test. In general, for every 250 to 300 words of content, you can target one keyword. So, a 1200 word article could target 5 or 6 keyword phrases.

How does one target more than one phrase? The simplest answer is include the exact phrase 4 to 5 times anywhere in the content. Any more than that is potentially over doing it. You really should examine the SERPS for your keywords and start counting how many times the exact phrase is used in the top 5 results.

I just did a test for a product family name 'electric something something'. The top result had only about 200 words and used the keyword 4 times. The next result was an ecommerce site. The next was amazon. The 4th was almost an exact match domain and used the phrase 15 times in 450 words. I cannot help wonder if it would move up if it lowered the frequency of the target phrase and added in a second one.

So, the take-away is to do the following:
a) each keyword needs to be included 4 or 5 times and with at least 200 to 300 supporting words. To target more keywords, add to your content.
b) use html markup to increase the attention to your keywords (b, i, h2, h3, etc)
c) backlink the same article with multiple keywords because it is relevant to more than one keyword

Net result should be an increase in traffic per optimized page. If you have any content ranking already, I encourage you to test this out for yourself and share your results.

JC.

Is my english grammar poor or is the content on that sample site written poor? Well I know my english grammar isn't 100%, more like 85% according to some test that I did but the article read like it was written by my outsourcer from Pakistan.

Originally Posted by nik-0

Is my english grammar poor or is the content on that sample site written poor? Well I know my english grammar isn't 100%, more like 85% according to some test that I did but the article read like it was written by my outsourcer from Pakistan.

If you have an outsourcer in Pakistan that can write similar content with similar grammar level for tet say $2.00/500 words, please give me his contact info and I will give you $1.00 for ea article he delivers.

coming back to this thread, plenty of great info, going to think on and try and add some value

Originally Posted by nik-0

Is my english grammar poor or is the content on that sample site written poor? Well I know my english grammar isn't 100%, more like 85% according to some test that I did but the article read like it was written by my outsourcer from Pakistan.

Ginder,

First of all, I wish you luck with this project. I really do.

With that said, how can I put this nicely...

If that sample site is an example of what the rest look like, I really don't know how you're going to succeed.

First issue - Out of the 8 articles, only 4 of them had 500+ words. One of them had as few as 325 words - which is fine, because 300-500 words is average, but the post on WF claims 500+ words on each one, not half of them.

Second issue - The site looks like it is a MFA site. There is no interlinking of articles, no images, the theme doesn't even have a custom header applied, and the article tags look like outright keyword stuffing.

Third issue - the article quality is extremely poor. One of the articles sounded like an ad for a non-existent product and had no "meat" to it at all. Another article was completely off-topic until the very end of it (the evolution one.) There were even grammatical errors in at least one of the articles (the one with the word "tropical" in it.) It looked like someone typed the target keywords into Google and then rewrote the top 8 results - they all had to do with the keywords, but had nothing to do with each other.

The point is, that there is no way these would pass a manual review. The articles seem to be related solely in the keywords they are targeting and nothing else. There is no real *content* in the content.

I don't mean to sound like a downer or naysayer. Again, I wish you luck and I think what you're doing trying to save these peoples' jobs is admirable. I'm just worried that you won't be getting the asking price for the sites, because honestly, they are really bad.

Any updates??
I think you should try uploading more articles to your webs.

Originally Posted by undermyhat

If you have an outsourcer in Pakistan that can write similar content with similar grammar level for tet say $2.00/500 words, please give me his contact info and I will give you $1.00 for ea article he delivers.

He works for $2.50 / 300 words and runs it through spelling and grammar checkers. But for this money he also posts it to my website and adds a few images. So it's 100% hands off for me. The only thing I do is give him the keywords to write about. Like I mentioned in that above post, maybe my grammar sucks, it seems that when I read that article I'm missing the word "the" quite a few times and also the use of "a" instead of "an", that are the same problems that my outsourcer is struggling with.

Sorry I couldnt reply earlier, I try not to get online on the weekend as much as I can. I see lot of people have made their own assumptions based on sample site which is fine because thats what I would do. Lets make a few things clear!

Our strategy has changed significantly since day 1. MNS sites is not the way we plan on making money, we plan on making money by expanding these sites. MNS is basically just a quick way to find out winners. Online marketing is funny, lot of unexpected stuff happens.

You can have a great keyword, great SEO and be getting a lot of traffic and still wont make money because the niche sucks. You can have it the other way around and still be in same situation. There are so many things that you have to get right in order to really call a project "successful".

When we initially started, we were planning to keep building MNS sites and keep them forever. Within a month we realized that MNS at the scale that we were projecting is not possible, I shouldnt say impossible but its not feasible for us. We have already started to have troubles managing so many sites and instead of leaving money on table we changed our strategy to focus on authority sites.

I appreciate all the comments and suggestions but let me make a few things clear about the sample site which is posted on the sales thread. It is prob the worst sample, I could provide and honestly I didnt even feel the need to have a stellar sample site to convince people to buy my sites, I had been getting requests from people to sell them sites since day 1 so I didnt need to impress anyone. All our sites are in groups of 50-100 sites connected in one way or another, same hosting, same whois, same adsense and many other things which can be used to reverse engineer and someone smart enough can probably find our whole network. The only site that we could find that wasnt connected to many others was this, I guess I should have made sure this site looked great but I didnt feel the need to impress anyone. After all these comments, I did take a look at the site and felt the same way but unlike that sample site, all our sites have images and none of them have all those unnecessary links.

Yes there are still a few things that are missing that should be in an ideal MNS site, we arent doing any interlinking and few other things that can increase the odds of site becoming successful but again, we only need 2-3 weeks to evaluate a site. If its a keeper its going to be grown into 50-1000 page site in a short period of time and if its a loser well, we still make our money back in less than 2 months.

Yes thats right, even if we are doing everything wrong. We make 100% of the money back from each site in less than 2 months, even the worst performers.

Lets take a look at the site that we have grown. One site for example which is in health niche, we started about 45 days ago and started growing it after only 1 week now has 450+ articles. Its getting us 100+ double optins per day and with a very simple and straight forward autoresponder series we are closing 1 sale for $30+ on every 32 optins. So just one site is making us on average $60-$90 per day in less than 2 months. About 500 articles and so far about 200 BMR posts, nothing else. No complicated SEO

We knew exactly what to expect with that site because we based it on our numbers when it was an MNS site with only 10 articles. Changed the theme to thesis and did nothing else but add content and send more backlinks. We havent even reached 1% of the potential with this site, its a 2 month old site. I am 100% confident that this site can reach $500-$1000/day if we continue at this pace in just a few months. I mean we havent even split tested any messages, offers or anything yet.

Now if I can find one site like that in a group of 500 MNS or even more than that, I'd be more than happy with the progress.

I strongly disagree with anyone who says that sample site wont pass a manual review, how can you even call it an MFA site when there are no ads on it? We dont even bother putting ads up until the site is performing somewhat ok in terms of SEO and traffic. I still have sites that I need to add adsense to but have just been too busy to do it. Good performing sites are quickly turned into bigger sites, even if not as big as 500+ articles atleast all decent performing sites get 25-30 articles added to them. Who is going to fail a site like that in manual review?

If they check too early, they wont find ads. If they check after a month, they will either find the site loaded with content or not. Now even if some nutcase decides its not good enough, feel free to penalize that site! I could give a shit less, in my eyes its already penalized if it didnt get enough love from us to grow it bigger. We'll gladly take that as a loss!

Now thats very far fetched, I cant see how its possible. Take a look around what others are doing, from a shitty service provider selling MNS sites for $20 to some of the successful people like Adsense flippers or niche pursuits, they all start their sites with 1 page to 5 pages of content.

If someone thinks that even our "not so great" sample site wont pass a manual review then the whole MNS model is shit.

Show me anyone who is selling MNS site with 5+ articles cheaper than what I offered and I will give you a site for free. $39 for a site with 10 articles barely covers the cost of domain and content. No matter how big of a failure that site is, it will make $39 back in less than 3 months. If I wanted to offer a service to other people, I would spend more time trying to make my sample site look good or my sales page more convincing but screw that! why should I waste my time trying to convince people when the demand exceeds the supply in our case. It took me 30 minutes to get rid of 25 sites and I still have people emailing and messaging me trying to do bulk deals. My point is that the sample site is not really the best reflection of what we are doing.

I already share so much on this thread, I cant share everything. I dont want anyone to find out any of my authority sites because I have to sacrifice many MNS to find a good authority site. I am the one who is leeching off of others ideas and their research so I am more careful about others doing the same to me.

I didnt think I would get this far when I started this. Nobody important enough to me encouraged me to go ahead with this, I took all the risk on my shoulders and honestly it wasnt because I am some great person who cant fire employees. I was just bored with what I was doing and wanted to try something different. I have worked countless hours along with some of my dedicated employees who are happily taking less than minimum wage until I can afford to pay them more and I know March is going to be a great month for everyone involved in this project, its the month we start getting paid for our efforts.

I am not looking for others approval by these explanations, I could care less at this point. I have done it and you havent so far, get off your ass and do some work and make some money. Everyday I wish I could go back in time, things were so easy back in the day and with the knowledge that I have now I could have prob made millions back in the day but then I remind myself that its still not too hard. Things are going to get tougher and tougher. Online marketing or internet is the wild west but its not going to be like this in next couple of years and whoever has made their nest by then is the winner!

Dont wait another day and dont let the negative emotions takeover your drive and ambition for success!

Off to enjoy my Sunday night now! Peace

Hey ginder,

I have a question, and hopefully this will shed some light for a few people, myself included.

I know you said the sample site is a terrible example of the MNS you guys are creating, so I'm guessing the others are much better. How are you judging performance? Take the sample site for example. How did you know it wasn't a performer - there is no adsense or option or anything on it. Are you going by traffic? I'm assuming you're ignoring bounce rate because you're not focusing on SEO, but what are you focusing on? I guess I'm just a bit confused as to what you're doing with them. How do you separate the wheat from the chaff, as you will?

I guess a better way to ask would be, how do you know which ones you're going to develop further into authority sites if they start out with no monetization methods on them?

Originally Posted by Little Mike

Hey ginder,

I have a question, and hopefully this will shed some light for a few people, myself included.

I know you said the sample site is a terrible example of the MNS you guys are creating, so I'm guessing the others are much better. How are you judging performance? Take the sample site for example. How did you know it wasn't a performer - there is no adsense or option or anything on it. Are you going by traffic? I'm assuming you're ignoring bounce rate because you're not focusing on SEO, but what are you focusing on? I guess I'm just a bit confused as to what you're doing with them. How do you separate the wheat from the chaff, as you will?

I guess a better way to ask would be, how do you know which ones you're going to develop further into authority sites if they start out with no monetization methods on them?

He said earlier on the thread that a staff member sent him a site that wasn't connected to others, that was new and there was no SEO work or Adsense on it, and that is why he put it on the thread.

Originally Posted by andresleal

He said earlier on the thread that a staff member sent him a site that wasn't connected to others, that was new and there was no SEO work or Adsense on it, and that is why he put it on the thread.

I understand that, but he also said he's been putting adsense on afterwards. So how did he determine which to put adsense on? I missed that part.

Or are they all monetized with adsense and he's just picking the winners out of those to build more?

I understand that, but he also said he's been putting adsense on afterwards. So how did he determine which to put adsense on? I missed that part.

Or are they all monetized with adsense and he's just picking the winners out of those to build more?

He must've missed that site or something. I dont' know.

They're all monetized with Adsense and he just picks the winners to make them into authority sites.

I have been following the thread since its start, and I am very happy that finally the conclusion "create authority sites" has been reached! This is what you need to make some good money with this method! Several months ago, I stopped bothering microniches and have achieved amazing results!

Originally Posted by Little Mike

Hey ginder,

I have a question, and hopefully this will shed some light for a few people, myself included.

I know you said the sample site is a terrible example of the MNS you guys are creating, so I'm guessing the others are much better. How are you judging performance? Take the sample site for example. How did you know it wasn't a performer - there is no adsense or option or anything on it. Are you going by traffic? I'm assuming you're ignoring bounce rate because you're not focusing on SEO, but what are you focusing on? I guess I'm just a bit confused as to what you're doing with them. How do you separate the wheat from the chaff, as you will?

I guess a better way to ask would be, how do you know which ones you're going to develop further into authority sites if they start out with no monetization methods on them?

I'm curious too to know how Ginder picks up the good performers... probably the main judge would be the traffic it gets, in case ads haven't been put yet, but how much traffic is good/bad for a MNS to decide, i.e 20/50/100 uniques a day?

I am very happy that finally the conclusion "create authority sites" has been reached!

One question: What theme did you end up using?

Currently I'm using Twenty Ten with a child theme that makes some modifications... but I'm looking into something with a better CTR.

Its hard for me to explain how I pick the winners because I dont really have a systematic process for it. Its mostly based on gut feeling that comes with years of experience but a newbie can do the same thing that I can do, I may just have to take one look at stats and rankings to tell if this is going to be a winner while someone new to IM may have to check all details.

Biggest factor is traffic because I know I am very good at conversions so as long as I can get traffic, one way or another I will make as much money as possible. Another main factor is bounce rate and average number of pageviews, is the site catching attention? How easy it is to rank based on the keyword I was going for as an MNS is also important to consider. Now by the time we are ready to pick a winner, our sites will have adsense on them 95% of the time so that also makes things easier.

I tend to stay away from niches related to IM/Money making or IT related, those people seem to be ad blind. I also stay away from seasonal or niches that bring their own troubles with them like music, downloads, movies.

Biggest thing for me to consider when asking myself a question if the site can be grown is

Can I grow this site based on content only, both for making it big and for link building. If I even get a hint that I am going to need something more than content to make it big, forget it.

I'll try to explain this more in detail later, I have got a lot of catching up to do. I fell sick on Friday and had weekend off anyways so I need to catch up on 3-4 days of work asap!

I'm planning on doing the same thing as Ginder. He's motivated me a lot. Right now I'm building a network of websites by myself, and when I have in enough to build a small little team, Ginder suggested me to take my offices to India and outsource the articles by english native speakers. Which is a great idea.

Be motivated and Think big people!

ginder i have a question for you


i am living in an non english country and i want to build sites the way you do it and i am already doing it but the problem is, that there are to services like bmr and the services that do exist are very expansive (likly because work in my language can't be outsourced for cheap money till nobody in india etc. speaks it ) (this is obv not only a disadvantage because if you get a good linkbuilding plan you are way ahead of most of your competitors)

what would you do if you where in a spot like me?
how would you approach linkbuilding?
i think the best to do is to ether start building link pyramids or let them be build (would cost about 20$ per hour) or start searching for guest blogging opportunities at pr2-3+ websites but you would need fresh content for every backlink which would also cost money


would be cool to hear your insight

Originally Posted by phans

ginder i have a question for you


i am living in an non english country and i want to build sites the way you do it and i am already doing it but the problem is, that there are to services like bmr and the services that do exist are very expansive (likly because work in my language can't be outsourced for cheap money till nobody in india etc. speaks it ) (this is obv not only a disadvantage because if you get a good linkbuilding plan you are way ahead of most of your competitors)

what would you do if you where in a spot like me?
how would you approach linkbuilding?
i think the best to do is to ether start building link pyramids or let them be build (would cost about 20$ per hour) or start searching for guest blogging opportunities at pr2-3+ websites but you would need fresh content for every backlink which would also cost money

Hi mate,

the biggest problem nowadays is the lack of information... otherwise everything is not as difficult as it seems...

for content writing you're wrong that in your country nobody speaks English. You just don't know where to look at. Go to oDesk and post a job there. If you offer a price of $0.35/$0.40 per 100 words, you will be able to find few writers with feedback 4.3+ out of 5 (make sure the feedback is based on 50+ completed jobs) and I promise you you won't be disappointed in most cases.

Second, for the link building:
- for Bookmarking the cheapest tool is Pligg Submitter $27 (you can buy it from your affiliate link and will get 75% back or you can find it cracked working, but don't say ). I'm using it and I'm happy with it.

- private article directory networks: BMR seems to be best, but it's expensive. Cheaper althernatives are
* High PR Society where a spun article blasted to 100 high pr sites cost $7.5.
* Authority Link Network/ FBL (Free Blog Links) - you can buy a PR2/PR3 domain for cheap or submit your own PR2+ site to gain credits and submitting articles will be free in future.

The above mentioned resources would be enough to start/build/handle you MNS empire