So you wouldnt really recommend those e-whoring website systems/methods? I mean, I might be new to IM or whatever, but Im very good with computers and internet knowledge/savvyness, and I always approach everything from a logical point of view. In just a week or so, I made 30 bucks posting on CL, and I know theyre not scamming me, I got the funds in my new PayPal already. It might not sound like much, but logic tells me that by simply scaling up (which i know sounds easy but takes effort and time) I can make money. Who fuckin cares about so called reputation? no one knows who you are and if it makes a buck, fuck it, its better than risking a trip to rikers island doing some illegal shit in the streets.(believe you me) Besides, Im just trying to put myself thru college, maybe buy a used 1500 or 2500 $ car and fuck me a nice hoodrat or two, in other words, I just need a little clothes(butter soft leather jackets i must have, you can probably tell im from NY), maybe a nice car, when i say nice car, i mean a used toyota, acura, nissan or lexus, made around 2002, IF IM LUCKY!! and fuck me a nice little hispanic slut thats satisfied with mcdonalds and a movie ;0 lol.

Anyway the point is, im not trying to make a career out of this, nor do I have a half of dozen kids that need enfamil and diapers daily, I just need to get by until i can make it out of this damn recession with a bachelors degree and able to maintain myself financially without getting in trouble, to be honest and quite frank with you. So please dont knock the hustle, or the game for that matter, for the simple reason that Im new to it, and your breaking my heart with all that talk. Once the $ is in your PayPal, you are not being scammed, and you might not make 2,000 a day, but you might make a couple hundred a week, which is good, im just trying to eat, dont discourage me fam...

On something more tangible, logic tells me if I can aquire more proxy sites to post from, and I put my best foot forward, which means write my own ads, be creative, and as one of you said a few posts ago, put yourself in the shoes of the person taking a look at your ad or product or whatever it may be. and I get a grasp for what Im doing not just sitting back and hoping to get my hand held or catch a piggy-back ride through the money making process, and I scale this thing up just a bit, I might be able to carve a meal out of this damn recession we're going through.

What do you people think, cant this work? Mind you, a couple of hundred a week would be OK, I wouldnt complain...

I was introduced to the IM game through ones of these websites. Im hoping this isnt a bad, or at least not sureshot failure way of being shown a new scheme canvas. Im not here to pose, spam, fake or any of that shit to you people. I just want to eat. For now too, not forever. Im here to learn, work, and get it. If you can help me out, and need a creative and adept writer PM me, one hand washes the other, and so forth, fuck that 'hoard the scheme to yourself till youve squeezed the life out of it' bullshit. To me, thats bullshit. Long term, youll get a crappy unstable career but eventually youll just get snaked out of your niche by someone who can probably market it better and you wont have a safety net to keep you from crashing to the bottom because you didnt give back some support to build a little network of GOOD, HARD WORKING people. Some of us might be new, but we are also here to get busy, not bullshit around allday. Anywayz I leave you guys, im gonna finish this cigar clip, and call it a nite.

This is by far one of the best posts I've ever read.

Being a newbie myself i plan on using this advice to help get me started.

Thanks!

hi

that was nice
but 99% is stretching it too far
i too have been online with wesbistes & making money since 5 years, but my niche is adult
i tried to deviate from it & searched & brought tons of info

i will say that around a year back most was same stuff rehashed
but now i think most people delvier real good info
i also have got info that is very rare & never seen usually
many unknown stuff also i have known which has not been mentioned anywhere

anyway its good for newbies your artice

Thanks for the great post ;

I am doing good with adsense, CPA and my own products... everything is just as i
wanted it to be a year back....

Before BHW I bought lots of ebooks even the $997+ priced... but none gave me an idea or a method through which i can start earning.

Then one day I visited a website and just noticed what was he doing..... Started doing the same thing and still doing it for the last 2 years and making $$$...

So the money is in “Thinking out of the box” and your own research.

I agree with the OP. Most of the stuff Ive read on this forum is bullshit. But I've also learned a lot from the few good posts. Thankfully I have a good internet-bullshit-filter due to my day Job as a Web- / UX-Designer. Spending time reading threads here is definately a help (in the beginning). But make sure to:

• Stick to threads with more than 20 posts and / or where the subject title sounds solid -- ex "Google is Warning about Comment Spamming | Must Read" over "$100/day Beginners Easy, CHEEZY, DarkAsPitch Method!" (actual titles from BHW Homepage today)

• In those threads, skip over the shitty "Wow, what a great postz, that really inspired me, thanks a lot!" posts that litter the thread (side note: great idea to ban repeat offenders), and zero in on the longer posts to see if they have something to say that sounds sensible.

And put in some time. Over the course of 2-3 weeks of putting in 3 or 4 hours a day on a certain subject, and thinking about it when youre away from it, the new concepts start to fall into place and ideas start to form, at least for me.

I have no doubts that if there is money to be made with some of the core principles postulated in this forum, I will find one that suits my needs, skills and resources, and adapt it to make money for me. I actually already have a few good ideas, and this thread inspired me to try them out instead of hoping I find that someone else on this forum already did something similar.

And yes, make this thread default reading for anyone new who signs up. Actually, create a test for them to take about the contents of this thread and if they fail, ban their IP.

Well said not sure about 99% of what on here is bullshit - In my expreince take for example sensatioanlist crap package the content was great not bullshit or rehashed...(its basically a way of making money through groups on facebook)

HOWEVER when trying to implement the method onto Facebook - Facebook themselves have changed their algorythms rendering the system useless. Or maybe you just need to think alittle outside the box .....

wow... just wow! that my write. absolute true... i am reading everything here and no money camin in my bank... lol

Originally Posted by wojr34

I kinda disagree. I tried Craigslist "job method" 2-3 months ago and people still fall for it - average 60 leads per day. Unemployment rate go up since then.

And now, because of your little "testimonial", you will now SLOWLY be inviting your own competition over time to chip away at that 60 leads a day, cause if your making money with the craigslist "job method", so can they, right? Why say anything at all other than "I agree" or "I disagree". Not saying your lieing, I believe you. But this is the internet, shit goes viral QUICK! Careful what you reveal bro!

If I could have put into words like that myself I would have, some of the points you highlight are things I have been thinking just in a mubojumble type of order. Was interesting to see it all made sense of thanks. You are right there are so many liars out there and the points you make on wanting specifics in a business sense is sometimes forgotten or let slide because we are on the internet... Im going to try and put it all into practice now, thanks mate.

thank u buddy!!!!

You have revealed all the truths in a very systematic way...

taking action is the only right way to succeed

Originally Posted by mollah

^ Yup.

What I do has nothing to do with CPA, affiliate sales, e-whoring, or any of that other crap. I tried some of that and failed miserably. I figure some people can do it. I can't.

For the most part I agree with you....


but the 99% you refer to is usually related to these things in one way or another. I dont think its fair to says its all bullshit. Over hyped? yeah rehashed over and over again? yep. but money is made none the less.


personally I have a different way of looking at it that might be offiensive but all well.......90% of people who approach IM dont have the intelligence or dilligence to succeed in this game. Too much misinformation and false hopes going around about IM.

its not bad advice so much as people just dont have what it takes to taking those extra steps to succeed whether they be working hard, thinking outside the box, or persitance.

the majority of info online about IM is bullshit because the majority of people who try their hand at this game are failures.

nice tips bro....To survive in internet marketing , You need to be creative

I am adding a few more things For successfully making money
(1)
There is just too much things to try out - you will get confused tryng a little bit of everything and make $0 , and say its just crap.
Choose what do you wanna do , adsence , cpa whatever and stick with it , until you have tried everything you could think of nothing, once exhausted...after a few days start fresh.

(2)Look for Things , what people need , Simple demand and supply , demand being who will purchase your product and supply what you will be selling to make money.

(3)Always choose before working on a product who do you want to target , newbi's (easiest target) or pros...or both.
(4)
Decide : Wanna work long term or short term...Scams are something which works on short terms , maybe a few $$ but you will not make money on long term , so i will suggest be honest and try to make a reputation. Will be less money in the beginning but later you will earn much more trust me on this!

(3)People will say white hat or black hat
I suggest split your work in 2 , try both ways...a money earned is money earned..doesnt matter which way its coming from.

(4)Even if you are able to come up with a good method , and earning ..just dont stop , try to expriment with it , and try for a little more...Being greedy always help .

(5)Dont ever think you can do all the work, when you are not able to do all the work , try to include frinds with similar intrests , and ask them to do the heavy dry work , make apprentices...Word of advice: "Dont reveal them with al of your secrets".
You will get time , to work on new methods, use them to develop more methods this will further increase yoru income..

(6)Once you feel , that you are becoming a pro in one revenue source like adsence , try other things..Assign one of your apprentice to look after the work..

(7)And last and foremost thing
what do you wanna sell , one time thing or want to sell them on a mothly basis.
if you are selling one time kindaa thing -comparatively less work and method
Subscription based -- it will be more work and effort...but will give you revenue in long run.

Newbi's try easier things first , start with realistics goals , but always think for 6 figure income , when you are working on a method.

Enjoy

Well this puts it into perspective. Thanks

Excellent........ Mollah. am 100% agree with you. keep posting.......

What?????? I thought all those money making ebook sellers where flying around in private jets while they wrote those things out of the goodness of their sharing hearts... (I thought they only charged for them so people could "Value" the information and gave away the proceeds to charity).... I feel worse than when I found out there was no Santa Claus

another quality post. 99.99% of what op said is true. i downloaded an e-book from some bullshit guy called themselves traffic king but the whole crap is full with their stupid interview.

you forgot the most one thing everything in IM is about: Traffic

Originally Posted by jnickson

• Stick to threads with more than 20 posts and / or where the subject title sounds solid -- ex "Google is Warning about Comment Spamming | Must Read" over "$100/day Beginners Easy, CHEEZY, DarkAsPitch Method!" (actual titles from BHW Homepage today)

Well, sort of.

I've found that some of the most bullshit threads get the most replies, so you can't really judge by number of replies.

"ZOMG make $1,000,000 per week EASY || NO BS METHOD || if you can't do this you're a dumb noob!!!" type of threads always get 1,000 replies, yet they're obviously bullshit?

Why?

1) If someone had a $1M per week method they sure as hell wouldn't give it away
2) Well, there are 50 more reasons, but really that #1 reason is the only one you need

HAY GUIZE MAYBE THIS THREAD WILL BE THE ONE WHERE I LEARN THE SECRET TO EASY RICHES!!!11!!oneone!!!

What also cracks me up is the sheer number of "omg, great method!!!" replies to something that was obviously bullshit in the first place.

It's like a formula:

1 - Post a bullshit method and be super vague about it
2 - 20 idiots will give thanks and say "oh dood grate method, i are going to retire next week from the monies I make w this method lol for realz i am serious!!!"
3 - Sometimes someone realizes the method is bullshit and asks a legit question that either:
--- a) goes completely unanswered (because the OP knows it's bullshit and can't answer)
or
--- b) the OP reaffirms that it is bullshit by giving another super vague answer, to which all the idiots from step #2 give thanks and say "oh wow u r so smart will u bee my online guru for making monies????"

Anyway, stay tuned as next week I will reveal my super easy method for making $1,000 per day hands free on autopilot totally undetectable totally easy and totally free that is so easy even a noob who doesn't know anything at all can be up and running in 5 seconds and to be honest I'm making so much money from this method that I retired 5 times in the amount of time it took me to type this post!!!!

Originally Posted by Kartenantrag

People are being betrayed, laughed at. And the more they are the more validation they are seeking. The only way around is to have things that really validate you(not humans) so you get your daily dose of validation.

I am not kidding, validation is a feeling created by chemicals in the brain. The same do all kinds of drugs.

People who seek validation all the time need their drug. People rob and kill others to get their drugs. So it is obvious that other people share their secrets to get that warm feeling that stays until you notice that you just cut your income.

Actually, everything you just said is true. Good post.

This is the truth.... Focus and Taking Action is the key.

To OP. I think you are one of the reasons why BHW is so great!!!

I love the post.. The ugly truth.. Ive been in IM for months and sad to say I learned those things through experience.. and in IM I can say that you need to focus in order to suceed. Try and focus on single method for months or so and not just jump to different methods everyday..

It takes time.. it needs growth..

Great Point of View. Two Thumbs Up!!

I think this is something that we all figure out at some point or another. Honestly, I think I knew most of this when I was first getting into IM.

But in any case I think it was beautifully said. Newbies take heed. IM is just as hard as any other job.

mollah do you own this site?

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http://guidegenius.com/showthread.php?t=597

or are you this guy?

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http://twitter.com/KARRAX/status/7785922164

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http://johnnykarrax.info/blog/home-business-tips/message-to-all-beginners-trying-to-make-money-online

Here is his butt being chewed out at DP of all places,lol;

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http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1654062

Nice thread. A lot of truth I think.

Originally Posted by mollah

That being said, sometimes some time away will help you clear your mind. I used to spend 12+ hours a day reading forums and researching things, but I often had my best ideas when I would take a few days off and let my subconscious mind process everything.

I have found that to be very true. Your subconscious mind works in the background and seems to come up with those Eureka moments when your brain has had a rest.

Have you ever noticed that when you are trying to remember something that's on the tip of your tongue it suddenly pops up into your head a short while later when you have stopped trying to remember what it was?

I think everyone has a little 'helper' inside their subconscious mind that goes off to find what we need. The conscious mind's job is to do something about it once found.

Originally Posted by farfetchedmoney

mollah do you own this site?

Code:

http://guidegenius.com/showthread.php?t=597

or are you this guy?

Code:

http://twitter.com/KARRAX/status/7785922164

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http://johnnykarrax.info/blog/home-business-tips/message-to-all-beginners-trying-to-make-money-online

Here is his butt being chewed out at DP of all places,lol;

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http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1654062

Nope. Someone copied my post.

Who is that karrax guy?

edit - I've joined DP and sent johnny a PM. I said "glad you enjoyed my post over at bhw" and provided a link here.

I also posted in his thread. I doubt anyone over there cares, tho. It's not even worth my time, really. It's not like any of the DP'ers will take that advice to heart, either... they'll keep wondering "how i can to make $200 an day easily with autopilot."

Too bad posts aren't copyrighted. I'd go legal over someone stealing my shit and putting in on their blog. Of course, I'm sure no one reads his .info blog, and the info will only help people if they actually read it, I just don't like others taking credit for my work.

and there another post going on DP. also copying the content. Not only they're brainless fucks, they're not creative. Man, that's the ass of the world back there. My theory is that there's only one brain and the users pass along. So I guess no one at that thread was using at the moment....

Originally Posted by mollah

Nope. Someone copied my post.

And people wonder why we say "KEEP YOUR SHIT TO YOURSELF"? This is a prime example of what really happens when shit gets out in the wild.

You seen what happens whenever someone post a method.

This is the LAWLESS internet, so I'm not surprised.

I guess some people just don't give a fuck now-a-days, eh? At least give the man credit for what he wrote!

no one gives a shot for the other guy's effort. That's the truth

Originally Posted by gb5000

And people wonder why we say "KEEP YOUR SHIT TO YOURSELF"? This is a prime example of what really happens when shit gets out in the wild.

You seen what happens whenever someone post a method.

This is the LAWLESS internet, so I'm not surprised.

I guess some people just don't give a fuck now-a-days, eh? At least give the man credit for what he wrote!

It's a brilliant example of exactly what would happen if someone were to actually post a profitable method.

It's exactly why profitable methods don't get posted.

And it's exactly the reason why I don't sell e-books, why I copyright EVERYTHING (except that post, lol), and why I keep lawyers

I feel like this thread was doubly helpful, it discussed the theoretical aspect and you got to see a real life example of exactly what I was talking about.

I bet you my posts in his thread over at DP either get deleted, edited, or I get banned

Finnaly somone just said out loud what we are all thinking , i never really bought the crap about how some janitor dude made 100k per month and crap like that. I even got to a point where i subscribed my adress and phone to some guru type site and the dude called me and talked to me for about an hour promising that i will be making lots and lots of cash and at the end he asked for a small fee of about $400 or more, can not remember exactly, to reveal the secrets which will be making me lots and lots of cash.....riiiiiiiight.

But regarding this forum, i can say i learned a lot from here in the short time that i have been around and i am taking this oportunity to send my respect to the people that founded this forum and are still keeping it running.

This is sticky thread material right here.

Damn, ain't that the truth!

Originally Posted by mollah

Who is that karrax guy?

edit - I've joined DP and sent johnny a PM. I said "glad you enjoyed my post over at bhw" and provided a link here.

I also posted in his thread. I doubt anyone over there cares, tho. It's not even worth my time, really. It's not like any of the DP'ers will take that advice to heart, either... they'll keep wondering "how i can to make $200 an day easily with autopilot."

Too bad posts aren't copyrighted. I'd go legal over someone stealing my shit and putting in on their blog. Of course, I'm sure no one reads his .info blog, and the info will only help people if they actually read it, I just don't like others taking credit for my work.

I agree he is not getting any visitors on that blog he was trying though,lol. I noticed he spoke different from you so I was wondering. Are you the owner or admin of this site below?

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http://guidegenius.com/showthread.php?t=597

damn. that article spread like fire LOL

Originally Posted by farfetchedmoney

I agree he is not getting any visitors on that blog he was trying though,lol. I noticed he spoke different from you so I was wondering. Are you the owner or admin of this site below?

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http://guidegenius.com/showthread.php?t=597

No, that's not my site, either.

That may be one of those forums that scrapes posts from other forums.

There's a large trading forum that I used to post on. There's a different forum that scrapes all the posts from that forum and posts them under different usernames. It's really weird, because no one goes on that other forum and it's all scraped posts o.O

I have never even heard of guidegenius before.

I guess I'm flattered that people loved my post enough to steal it and claim it as their own.

For clarification: the only place I have ever posted that is here on bhw (first in another thread on bhw, where the first post in this thread was initially a reply to someone else's post where they were complaining about not making money, and then later here, in this thread). I have not posted it on any other forums or sites, nor do I have any plans to.

Originally Posted by mollah

No, that's not my site, either.

That may be one of those forums that scrapes posts from other forums.

There's a large trading forum that I used to post on. There's a different forum that scrapes all the posts from that forum and posts them under different usernames. It's really weird, because no one goes on that other forum and it's all scraped posts o.O

I have never even heard of guidegenius before.

I guess I'm flattered that people stole my post.

it looks like that is where it was originated but what do I know

asshole. how my suppose to sell my fucking ebooks now?

wow, it got stolen AGAIN and posted here in another forum at DP. LOL

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1670441

Originally Posted by farfetchedmoney

it looks like that is where it was originated but what do I know

How does it look like it originated there?

I posted it here on 1/5.

The date of that thread is 1/8.