Just wondering on this, not that its going to stop me... but is it considered fraud or otherwise illegal to use a fake name and address to register a visa gift card or similar throway type of credit / debit card? I'm not talking about one you have to send away for and shit but just one you buy at the store and register it on the phone... also not using someone else's info but just made up info

i do this all the time. works like a charm haha, well unless they go to the security cameras and trace you back.

Originally Posted by Trueblood

i do this all the time. works like a charm haha, well unless they go to the security cameras and trace you back.

haha no I'm not worried about that... but more like, say I had one of these cards on me and I got pulled over while driving or some other random off the wall thing happened where I got arrested while I had one of these, something along that line and they found out would this bring about serious charges for having one with a fake name? I don't think it would but just wondering if anyone has experienced anything like this

I assume you are ok. If you do get pulled over, you could say its your friends card you had from last night. as long as you don't have a fake ID with that same name, you should be fine.

If in USA, it depends on the laws of the state you are in. Several states have laws preventing you from using cards belonging to someone else, without their permission. However, if it is your card, though in another name, as long as you have no intent to defraud, you are fine. It just depends on which state.

In fact, it can be legal, or not, to get a full new identity, credit cards, etc, as long as you pay your bills. It becomes a crime when you use it wrongly.

Don't ask me which state follows which rules - that's a matter for an attorney (and a good one at that).

don't worry about that and put in mind that "blackhat" and "legal" cannot be in the same room

I'd do it, look at it this way you ain't going jail for that are you lol.

Originally Posted by boussena

don't worry about that and put in mind that "blackhat" and "legal" cannot be in the same room

wrong.

Originally Posted by boussena

don't worry about that and put in mind that "blackhat" and "legal" cannot be in the same room

false

Sign a piece of paper saying you are both "Frederick Douglass" and "Jason A. FakeVisaNameHere" and you should be fine, if you're that worried about it. You may want to check out your local state laws on assumed names, of course.

Originally Posted by boussena

don't worry about that and put in mind that "blackhat" and "legal" cannot be in the same room

NOT TRUE.

False.

Incorrect.

Wrong.

How many more ways can I say that?

LOL ,okay you are the right man, next day go rob a bank then say to them it's legal
yes, say that you learned this from bhw
what mean black hat and white hat, no one say it's fast money=bh and slow money=wh
a lot doing bh and get no money at all and many all is white hat and get faster streams of legal money.
so it's easy bh=illegal and wh=legal
if you say 'no' give me one legal blackhat method!!
hope you get the point.

Just don't have the card on you unless absolutely necessary, hide it when you don't use it.

Originally Posted by boussena

LOL ,okay you are the right man, next day go rob a bank then say to them it's legal
yes, say that you learned this from bhw
what mean black hat and white hat, no one say it's fast money=bh and slow money=wh
a lot doing bh and get no money at all and many all is white hat and get faster streams of legal money.
so it's easy bh=illegal and wh=legal
if you say 'no' give me one legal blackhat method!!
hope you get the point.

Cookiestuffing, legal.. just against TOS.



You aren't gonna get in trouble for having a visa gift card with another name on it that isn't yours or anyone elses real info.. Now those pre-paid visas that are basically like bank accounts that require SS# and all that.. idk.. but the stupid little gift cards that require registration to buy things online no.. fake away.

@ifwearner first i didn't talk to you, second Cookiestuffing it's against tos so it's illegal
(illegal don't mean against the country terms only, could be against the sites terms too)
so if some sites hold your payment because you doing bh go to the lawyer to get your money back.
i didn't say that he shouldn't do it because of it's illegal and i know that will never get in problems because it's a small thing and no one will care about it but it's still illegal !!
(i know this thread will get first google result for the 'illegal' keyword, lol)

make sure pay cash for the gift card. i dont think it really matters though

I buy no less than 10 visa gift cards weekly, register a name out of the phone book and use them online.

I don't think it is illegal, don't care really but I seriously doubt it.

I believe the issue is if you are using an alias versus using someone else's identity. If you use someone elses's real name & address, that could start treading into identity theft territory. I wouldn't go there personally. If it is just a made up name & made up address for your own privacy, you should be fine.

Yeah don't use real info out of the phonebook. Just pick a random name and grab a legit address. You don't want to use someones real info. Really no reason to at all and could have unwanted side effects.

Originally Posted by boussena

@ifwearner first i didn't talk to you, second Cookiestuffing it's against tos so it's illegal
(illegal don't mean against the country terms only, could be against the sites terms too)
so if some sites hold your payment because you doing bh go to the lawyer to get your money back.
i didn't say that he shouldn't do it because of it's illegal and i know that will never get in problems because it's a small thing and no one will care about it but it's still illegal !!
(i know this thread will get first google result for the 'illegal' keyword, lol)

dumbass breaking tos doesnt mean its illegal.. i could make a website and say you are only allowed to post in my forum once a day, if you decide to post twice its not illegal..

yahoo email allows one email per person, just cuz u have 5 doesnt make it illegal... ... if it were millions of people would be in jail now..

i think you are confused what illegal means..

definition: prohibited by law

Illegal = robbing a bank..
Legal but blackhat = Cookie stuffing..

Illegal = raping a girl
Legal but blackhat = making 1000 pages to fool google.

Get the idea?

Originally Posted by boussena

LOL ,okay you are the right man, next day go rob a bank then say to them it's legal
yes, say that you learned this from bhw
what mean black hat and white hat, no one say it's fast money=bh and slow money=wh
a lot doing bh and get no money at all and many all is white hat and get faster streams of legal money.
so it's easy bh=illegal and wh=legal
if you say 'no' give me one legal blackhat method!!
hope you get the point.

government. hope that helps you

Originally Posted by boussena

@ifwearner first i didn't talk to you, second Cookiestuffing it's against tos so it's illegal
(illegal don't mean against the country terms only, could be against the sites terms too)
so if some sites hold your payment because you doing bh go to the lawyer to get your money back.
i didn't say that he shouldn't do it because of it's illegal and i know that will never get in problems because it's a small thing and no one will care about it but it's still illegal !!
(i know this thread will get first google result for the 'illegal' keyword, lol)

You are kind of dumb, a lot.

I dont think its illegal, maybe unethical and wrong..... i guess if you were doing it over and over again, and there is a pattern, well, if they wanted to bust you for whatevever, they can show it in court, what would a 12 dumb jury say? If you look guilty, you will be guilty...... dont play with fire.

A lot of you are offering advise and that is surely appreciated, but I think you should get your facts straight. I used to work for the justice department and can tell you that this is not a good idea to do this. The cards can easily be traced back to you by whatever way you are using to monetize the cards-it's called following the money trail. All it takes is one pissed off person to file a report, once the cards are seen to not be in your name you will have huge problems. I have known people that this has happened to and am not speaking from "hear say" or just "what I think." I would suggest finding another method.

Just trying to help my fellow BH'ers.

Yes it is all about intent, and judging about the fact that your driving around with something that bears someone elses name, I am guess the intent would be fraudulent.

If you want anonymity, I would purchase a card that doesn't require a name or address in order to register it. There are plenty of cards that do not bear a name and do not require any registration what so ever.

(reading between the lines, it seems like your using this as a second form of id to get into bars. So yeah, if you were to be pulled over it could case problems, because either you have a stolen credit card or purchased one under false pretenses).

In short, as karakim pointed out, I wouldn't trust the advice of a bunch of random people with no legal experience. A legal forum or somewhere similar would be a much better place to get solid advice.

im sure it's illegal, but the chance of getting caught... 0.001% ha!

How can it be illegal? A giftcard is something that your buying for someone else (i.e a gift). The fact your using your money to register the card too. If you get caught with it, just say you bought it for your buddy who can't get a real life visa and wanted to buy something online. If you registering them with a credit company like capital one or something then defrauding them, then its illegal. This is just blackhat. viva la cuba.

If you created a fake name and contact info and put that on a card, who exactly has been injured? If nobody's else's real ID info was used or intended to be used, no injury, no illegality. No real ethical breach either, other than violating some company's control freak 'don't rip the mattress tag' rules.

Did the site really have a right to demand correct ID, especially if they aren't verifying the info? Did you really violate a TOS, since the terms are always presented in a non-negotiable, "if you've even read this or looked at that page, you've agreed to the terms" kangaroo contract law format? If their TOS is really a contract, where are the signatures (your and theirs)? I say be discreet, but enjoy the de-facto privacy and anonymity afforded by using faux info on the web.