somebody read 'multiple streams of internet income'

nice lengthy post with a lot of good marketing advice included.

Originally Posted by Stumickel

Never sell shit as anything else. Otherwise you will be a shitter and nothing more. You must make good things grow with your life. If you do not sense that kind of self-value, I doubt you will sell anything well, even BS.

It you don't love roses, you will come across as a phony.

Stumickel thanks for your great post.. you are a deep one..

your post greatly influence me more than the guru shit out there..

maybe i try to paraphrase it simpler

U must at least have a tiny weeny bit of self esteem/self respect..
"you got to at least believe what you are selling
ie better quality shit or else

the sales result you get gonna reflect it
cos deep down inside of you are revolted by what u are selling

Originally Posted by gogglecash

your post greatly influence me more than the guru shit out there..

gogglecash,

Thank you. That comment meant more to me than you can imagine.

You are a rose...

Great Info! Helped a lot. Thanks

Here is another psychological trigger I got from reading Seth Godin.

People don't like to be wrong.

When you tell them a story, try to make it reinforce the message that they have been right all along. This works well with deep values like morals or whether God exists, but it also includes superficial ones like an opinion about so-and-so.

For marketing, one form where this trigger works well is to advertise something negative, deliver a positive message about it, make the audience feel it has been right all along, then hit them with the offer.

For instance, on a superficial level, if your target market believes that Obama is the best thing since sliced bread, advertise a position to them that he has some serious shortcoming. Then tell the tale ending up proving that the shortcoming was only an impression and the truth is that he is even stronger than thought. Any Obama supporter will feel he was right all along, despite being hooked into the tale by the doubting Obama headline. Now that he feels good and knows you are on his side, trust has been established and he is more likely to buy off of you, so hit him with it.

You can use this approach with any issue, not just politics. Obviously you have to target your market since there is no way to please everyone. But the people you get are well gotten.

After all, they were right all along, weren't they?

Stumickel compacted most of what is known of "BS". Great.

Interesting that those BS is used by school and army too. Pavlov way of life ^_^'

Another book that is Ok on that subject is
Lieberman, David - How to Get Anyone To Do Anything.
Cialdini, Robert - Influence

Any books on persuasion, mind control, psychology triggers, con man, that you particulary would like to recommend, Stumickel? Any other member, feel free to sugest material too!

Originally Posted by ricaum

Stumickel compacted most of what is known of "BS". Great.

ricaum,

Thank you.

We can call it Black Hat copywriting.

excellent post, it seems I spent a huge amount of time reading this informatable information. I learned a thing or 2 from you and hope to use them in the near future

LOL! I love this post especially since it's all centered around the BS but does give alot of good advice as well.

I think you should become a sales copy writer your very very good at it!

That was terrific. Thanks for sharing.

lmao you guys are thinking too hard.
charts, graphs ...mindmaps?

come on, its not a difficult concept: find traffic, monetize traffic.

****,

Everybody's gotta be a newbie the first time...

Just doin' the best I can...

(btw - I've tried hard at not thinking, but I can't get it to stop. It goes by itself...)

Amazing post thanks very much for sharing it
Regards

Very informational! I will read every bit of it in hopes of learning more! Thank you...thank you...thank you!

Thanks to all the people who like this thing. I am glad you find value in it.

I want to go on record, though. I wrote this thing for me, not to teach people or create a following on a forum. I needed to understand what on earth I was getting myself into. (I do intend to lather it up into a product later, but that's another issue and one for my own turf.)

I fully understand what **** was getting at and he's right. Finding traffic and monetizing traffic is the backbone of Internet marketing. If you don't do that, then you are spinning wheels and going nowhere. It just seems to be easier for some than others.

The trouble is, in my case, starting over at 56 and not being very computer savvy. In fact, I was amused at seeing my flowchart called a mindmap. I never thought of it that way. I just put the thing together to establish some broad categories to help me sift through all the hype (or BS as you will) and separate it from the real information.

The other problem is that I have a writer's personality, not a gaming personality. I almost wish I were a gamer. Life would be simpler. But I cannot ignore what I am. When I try to game the system, I usually make a mess of it and I don't make money. My interest is making money.

You work with what you've got, not with what you think you should have.

The good news (for me, at least) is that the Internet is not one thing only and there is room for many kinds of people to make money in many kinds of ways. Finding traffic can mean all sorts of things since there are several major kinds of traffic. And there is traffic all around us with new kinds surging every day. (For instance, the newbie market for making money online is HUGE and growing exponentially everyday.) Finding traffic can even mean creating traffic or drawing it to yourself. That's what top bloggers do.

I am presently engaged in learning in depth how to find pockets of people who habitually buy what I am selling, then getting in front of them with my offer (seasoned with a bit of BS to attract attention). That approach fits my kind of personality better than a shotgun approach.

At least I know I get it right. There's no sense in BSing myself.

:-)

The total of the ideas explained here would make a really good ebook - which, in turn, could have made you a lot of money. Thank you for sharing freely.

I humbly thank Stumickel for all the BS compilation he did. I will apply and also share my experiences with this BS. Thank You.

It's funny how nobody realized what the original poster of this thread did. He basically BS'd his way into a sticky, making all of the people on here feel like he gave them an insider secret, all he really did is confirm the beliefs that most people on here already had ("We are bad", "We are rebels", "Fuck the police" etc.). Good bullshit tho.

this thread should be made into a sticky

metalcolin,

LOL...

Good observation.

Hmmmmm... bad... rebels... fuck police...

Is that what most people around here believe? That's great to know.

So... do you actually know most people around here? Or is that your own BS?

Originally Posted by Stumickel

metalcolin,

LOL...

Good observation.

Hmmmmm... bad... rebels... fuck police...

Is that what most people around here believe? That's great to know.

So... do you actually know most people around here? Or is that your own BS?

Hahaha naa, I'm making a general assumption. I mean i think it holds water though, he knows his crowd and it is a "Black Hat" forum so he gives us something we ultimately want, like the rebel thing, I only mentioned that when after reading his post it got me all riled up in wanting to be "BAD". I don't know maybe I'm talking out of my ass.

Oh wait you're the one who wrote it, did I get any of it right?

metalcolin,

I'm just bantering.

I admit, though, I did take a playful tone that I believe is a good fit for the audience here. Setting BS aside, from what I have read on this forum, I don't believe most posters are so much rebels (although there are a few) as tired of all the hype and BS in the voluminous material in the IM niche that promises to make you rich.

So I laced my study outline with explicit BS—BS as a theme.

I actually covered stuff in this thread that needs to be learned (at least I needed to learn it), but who says you can't have fun doing it?

I wish you well. (No BS. I mean it.)

Yea I kind of figured as much, not to mention I didn't say that the writing didn't fulfill it's purpose, on the contrary. Plus it does actually have useful info, it definitely has that "Bolier Room" (good movie) school of thought which fits perfectly in this forum.

BTW it says you live "Near Chicago", I'm in st. louis myself, are we close?

Wish you well good sir! (from the heart lol... seriously)

That chart looks like Rich chefrens chart. Bs indeed.......

NOTE:name mispelled on purpose.

farfetchedmoney,

Nah, it's mine.

I'd be interested to see Schefren's chart. It might make me feel good...

NOTE: Name spelled correctly for proper identification.

Originally Posted by Stumickel

farfetchedmoney,

Nah, it's mine.

I'd be interested to see Schefren's chart. It might make me feel good...

NOTE: Name spelled correctly for proper identification.

Well now you can:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...en-2400-a.html

happy hunting....

see miracles do happen

farfetchedmoney,

Thanks for the tip.

I hope this stays around a bit. I'm all out of hard drive and going nuts because I wish there were 75 hours in a day.

You can eat yourself to death at a BS banquet if you like the BS...

Holy crap, that was a great, in depth article, great info!

Here is a real Black Hat way of starting your niche research.

(deep organ music, thunder and lightening, a dog barking in the distance...)

Start with one of the Seven Deadly Sins:

Greed
Lust
Gluttony
Sloth
Envy
Pride
Wrath

Talk about finding hungry BS markets easily!

:-)

Excellent post!
Especially the "Psychological triggers" part!
Thanks a lot for this! Bookmarked for future research!

Great post. Thanks for the enlightening darkness.

Or maybe, the good smelling bullshit.

Or the sweet tasting sourness.

Or, how about the dark at the end of the blinding light in the tunnel.

Eh I think you summed it up best,

Thanks for the rose blossom from the pile of dogshit.

Wow. I thank you for such a great post. I read the entire thing and it certainly wasn't too long at all.

The Eben Pagan quote is Golden:

1. Are the targeted people experiencing pain plus urgency or do they have an irrational passion or both?
2. Are the targeted people actively searching for solutions?
3. Do the targeted people have few or no perceived options?

Those 3 points in and of themselves are simple and effective time savers.
I'll read it again, I'm sure! Thanks tons!

Here is a BS method that depends on your own one-on-one skills. You have to BS a master at BS (who is no fool), so it's not easy. It's a medium-term project, not a short term one. But the rewards are well worth it.

Choose a major IM guru with an autoresponder list of about a million emails. Subscribe to it. Get his IM stuff and study it (most of the IM stuff from the major gurus is on the forum around here, so you don't even have to buy it).

Find out where he hangs out online and start making yourself present. Ask questions, all related to his stuff. Always praise him if you think he (or someone next to him) is reading.

Make yourself useful to him any way you can. Keep alert for the opportunities. BS up a storm, always about him and never about you (unless someone asks). Find out his hobbies, etc. Pile it on, BS on top of BS, but make sure it is working. You can overdo this and turn him off, so don't let any attention you get from him go to your head.

After you have his ear, start asking for advice, etc., etc., etc. Be the Humble BS Disciple and all eager ears. Do what he suggests and ooh and aah over his profound wisdom. BS your results and how much his wisdom contributed to your success (even if you don't have any).

Finally make a product. Test the sales first (this can be very small scale) to make sure it sells something. Then whip up some BS about good profit figures (after all, you have already proven it sells) and suggest he recommend it to his list for a huge cut.

If you can BS good enough and get all the pieces in place, one email blast from him will be a new house for you, or at least a new car if his cut is the lion's share.

Once you get in on that first email blast, others will follow. And not only from him. Then you can leverage this to penetrate the Inner BS Circle. To go faster, you can even offer to cut him in if he recommends you to the others. But keep the BS up. Actually, as you get involved with more and more people, you will have to increase your BS.

Also, make sure you develop your own list to recommend their BS as a trade off.

As the saying goes, the BS money is in the list...

This thread is awesome. Thanks for all the detail and time put into this. Classic

Awesome OP...and the psychological triggers as well...
I read tons of sales letters each week...we all do...
Here's what I have seen stand out in certain sales letters:

1)Going into extreme detail about the problem facing the potential buyer/customer. Something like "It can be difficult living with anxiety...You can't go to the Cinema without the fear of having an attack...You can't visit malls or crowded public spaces....You feel left out of almost everything.... (go on and on about this...) This I believe shows the customer that you understand exactly what is wrong with him....in fact the more detail the better. People love sympathy...we all do!

2) Again..go into extreme detail...this time about OTHER people's products. Make it elaborate....like if we use the above example...then it'd be something like... You have bought products...You have probably read the following 6 or 7 things from em...
They all recommend breathing in and out to relieve anxiety(we know tat doesn't work..)...They tell you to take medications....(you don't want to get addicted)...and so on.

3) The best....Tell them to use your product WITH CAUTION. lol...well... For example if you were selling a traffic generating method it would go something like this "Make sure you don't overdo the method...Hosting companies can be quick to ban your account for a sudden spike in traffic.....or..... If you are going to use the product...make sure you have a VPS server that can handle a huge traffic load. If you don't we recommend you should not get the product.

Originally Posted by Stumickel

My focus here is on entrepreneurship and getting rich. If you get real broke, sell some writing or coding or flip some hamburgers to get by

Speaking of which, I thought about selling my own software, small programs they are. Which blackhat method is available?

Regards
vielmehr

Originally Posted by vielmehr

Speaking of which, I thought about selling my own software, small programs they are. Which blackhat method is available?

What a strange post...

I say the best blackhat methods available to sell your small software programs are the ones that sell small software programs the best.

I can't believe I was the first one to have the honor of rating your post... oh, yea, of course..5 stars.

not to mention your additional genius posts peppered throughout...

big thanks, it's an immense help to everyone, and me personally with my 'masterpiece of a project' I have been working on which is ironically similar to your thoughts... I'm so glad I found your post...

wouldn't mind pickin your brain a little or getting your review of what I'm working on if you have the time... I would love for you to get involved... and I really think you would get a kick out of the irony of what I am developing... send me a PM if you have a moment.

Thanks again Stumickel

Stumickel: This is my first official post, not counting my intro. You are one smart guy, I would so buy this. I think it will help me a ton when I'm envisioning my "customers."
Thank you!

Good Lord!

You folks are going to make me believe my own BS! If that happens, all hell will break loose!



(Thanks for the kind words. I am pleased you got value from it...)

Hi Stumickel
I stumbled upon this thread while searching for something else. I must say this is a very thorough guide and I appreciate your effort. Thank you very much.

Stumickel

once more, outstanding posts thanks for sharing.
Some of the BS mentioned is really disgusting, but is good to know.
I ran through the search machine following numbers: $497 and $1997, just out of curiosity and had approx. 3000 results, so is there anything special about these numbers, that would make people buy eagerly products. Is the origine of this pricing known?

thanks for answering, if you know.

keep it up
brada

Just watched a documentary on YT by Theroux about Hypnotists...

Marshall Sylver is THE archetype of BS.

Originally Posted by MaestroDelWeb

My motto is "Fake it til you make it," and once you've made it, "Fake it even more."

hell yeah
and also thanks and regards to the author of this one of the best noob guide i have ever read
regards
tjpasha