BHW needs to stop these punks now

[transam7410]

IDk what happened to this forum. IDK if its the DP and Warrior Forum kids coming over here. Ive let this slide for awhile without saying anything, trying to be the bigger person.

It seems everytime someone tries to start a decent thread, the OP is attacked by some internet keyboard warrior for one of a hundred reasons. I used to like reading every thread here, now its being overrun by a bunch of teenagers. If their not teenagers, they damn sure act like one.

Not one of you nit picking pussies would have the gall to say half the things you say in public, because you would have your face smashed in.

Where the moderators at? If I owned a forum like this, and punk ass kids were attacking people that were providing content for my site, bet my BanHammer would have miles on it.

If you feel the need to nit pick someones post, look in the mirror before you do, remember there are guys here that make more than you, and with that you can learn alot, and if not, your wasting your life living in denial.

[nonin]

any samples? ... haven't seen stuff like this

[transam7410]

Unfortunately I didnt think to create a list of them, it would have been a big list thats for sure. I read one this morning about this guy who made $70k last year, he wasn't selling anything and he was getting flamed. Its pretty sad actually

[TheMatrix]

Agreed with OP.

BHW is now slowly becoming the next DP. The rules are being openly broken, though mods are acting and I really appreciate their work.

I think getting a BHW account is pretty easy now. Almost any spammer, scammer and shit-head can register an account. This needs to stop if we want the original BHW back.

Please make BHW highly exclusive!

[everythingred]

the forum should be sign-up only. it is too inviting. i know bhw is a business, but the quality needs to be there.

[healzer]

I agree. We should make BHW on friend invite registration only, or something to protect it. Not much quality is being shared because of the simple reason of: too many leechers.


@everythingred,
I agree. It's all about quality isn't it?
BHW has too much of BS threads (non-lounge related)

[darksypher]

I do agree that alot of people from WF and so on seem to be popping over however.

Private registration will not work this forum its way to large and well known if you implemented that today you might see certain idiots banned but overall it starts coming down of ways on how you can go about making it more private and that means cutting down on user bases it would be hard to do and not practical just my 2 cents.

But I agree that this place has slipped but its still one hell of an amazing forum

[jelderkin]

I do see where your coming from but there is a fine line between picking and criticism in the end of the day there is still more good members then bad and with a forum of this size you cannot moderate every single thread and post

[MaxWeber]

I admire that you have had the b*alls to state this, something which a lot of us are thinking ( and are unfortunately) witnessing on a daily basis now.

That lack of simple respect is one which can so easily diminish (or at least tarnish) the sheer quality of this wonderfull forum.

I sometimes wonder, why do these wannabees join up? Honestly.
There is more than enough information, tactics, wherewithall and openess in BHW, that if only they would stop for a moment to think..... why am I here?
If it is for the right reasons, (to learn, share and prosper etc...), then why do they waste time and effort?

I have seen fantastic members here berated about something which THEY believe in, and even though it perhaps does not suit the reality of the next commenter, they get all sorts of abuse. This should not be tolerated any longer, for the common good.

Free speech and ideas and opinions are what energizes a forum, please lets all remember to take that on board, and ACT on it.

I am not in favour of "an old boys club" of exclusivity either, but surely something needs to change in order that the norm continues in a high standard, and does not allow this BHW to metamorph into some lame forum.

It is the BEST forum on the planet, lets keep it that way.

I am willing to give a few hours of my time to help and assist where possible to make this a reality. Are you? I recently read that infamous quote on another thread....
<ask not what BHW can do for you, but what you can do for BHW>

Thanks for reading my little rant

[Corrupt]

I believe you are referring to that post, where the guy was bashing the new registered guy just because "I've been on these forums for three years and I can be as mean as I want". Jdog92 or something. Why? Because the OP forgot his old account, registered a new one, and got a friend to post the method which he used to earn $70k over the last year because he couldn't. Jdog92 kept making pointless accusations about newbies posting proof of earnings trying to sell their methods, whereas the OP was trying to do no such thing, and was actually helping out people in his thread.

Another stupid thing that made my eyes bleed was a JUNIOR VIP accusing the OP of racism just because he typed "Hello, Black haters " instead of "black hatters", TWICE, Even after the OP explained his english wasn't very well, which was also clear throughout the thread. In the second post he accused him of lying about not being racist because he used the smiley =_=

All I can say is: You can't cure stupidity. Let them do their thing, and you do yours and help the OP.
/EndRant
I go back to building backlinks.

[transam7410]

I admire that you have had the b*alls to state this, something which a lot of us are thinking ( and are unfortunately) witnessing on a daily basis now.

That lack of simple respect is one which can so easily diminish (or at least tarnish) the sheer quality of this wonderfull forum.

I sometimes wonder, why do these wannabees join up? Honestly.
There is more than enough information, tactics, wherewithall and openess in BHW, that if only they would stop for a moment to think..... why am I here?
If it is for the right reasons, (to learn, share and prosper etc...), then why do they waste time and effort?

I have seen fantastic members here berated about something which THEY believe in, and even though it perhaps does not suit the reality of the next commenter, they get all sorts of abuse. This should not be tolerated any longer, for the common good.

Free speech and ideas and opinions are what energizes a forum, please lets all remember to take that on board, and ACT on it.

I am not in favour of "an old boys club" of exclusivity either, but surely something needs to change in order that the norm continues in a high standard, and does not allow this BHW to metamorph into some lame forum.

It is the BEST forum on the planet, lets keep it that way.

I am willing to give a few hours of my time to help and assist where possible to make this a reality. Are you? I recently read that infamous quote on another thread....
<ask not what BHW can do for you, but what you can do for BHW>

Thanks for reading my little rant

Thanks bro. It takes alot to piss me off but lately my limits are being tested by these repeating bashings. We are the elite forum in the world(that's open admission), which I believe holds us to the highest standard. We ourselves can make or break someone's life, just by saying the right comment.

[transam7410]

I believe you are referring to that post, where the guy was bashing the new registered guy just because "I've been on these forums for three years and I can be as mean as I want". Jdog92 or something. Why? Because the OP forgot his old account, registered a new one, and got a friend to post the method which he used to earn $70k over the last year because he couldn't. Jdog92 kept making pointless accusations about newbies posting proof of earnings trying to sell their methods, whereas the OP was trying to do no such thing, and was actually helping out people in his thread.

Another stupid thing that made my eyes bleed was a JUNIOR VIP accusing the OP of racism just because he typed "Hello, Black haters " instead of "black hatters", TWICE, Even after the OP explained his english wasn't very well, which was also clear throughout the thread. In the second post he accused him of lying about not being racist because he used the smiley =_=

All I can say is: You can't cure stupidity. Let them do their thing, and you do yours and help the OP.
/EndRant
I go back to building backlinks.

You have great memory! I was fixing to jump all over that ass but the thread was closed by moderators. Blackhatworld never used to be like that. Ive been here four years and within the last year this trend has been a constant sight.

[Corrupt]

You have great memory! I was fixing to jump all over that ass but the thread was closed by moderators. Blackhatworld never used to be like that. Ive been here four years and within the last year this trend has been a constant sight.

Hahaha, thanks.
I believe the thread was deleted, not closed. No idea why. And the OP was also given an infraction.
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ml#post3698950
And his post about the infraction deleted, for some reason. Just WTF is going on in here. =_=

I've just started to see this trend since last week. If it had started anytime before I had started, I wouldn't even have joined, which is a shame, since I've learned more here in 3 months than I have outside in 3 years.

[BigBuddy]

Anytime, there will be atleast 3 to 4 moderators being online. Just hit the report button, if you feel posts are inappropriate and we will initiate necessary action, if it seems fit.


BHW Moderation system is there for some valid reason. so, bypassing asking your fellow member to post the content is like breaking the moderation system of BHW. Those threads and post will be removed.

[ibmethatswhoib]

Damn OP, what a stupid thread you jackass!

























Heh, JK

[fcb3323]

Anytime, there will be atleast 3 to 4 moderators being online. Just hit the report button, if you feel posts are inappropriate and we will initiate necessary action, if it seems fit.


BHW Moderation system is there for some valid reason. so, bypassing asking your fellow member to post the content is like breaking the moderation system of BHW. Those threads and post will be removed.

Braking the rules isn't always the problem...I think that OP wants to say that some people are just dumb and ruin the forum without braking the rules and I totally agree with him.

[ppcmaster]

What can a handful of mods do? Every member's got to do his bit to make this a better place. I've seen many such instances you speak of recently and I didn't shy away from them. Let them jerks know that we are watching!

Finally, an inspirational video to get you guys thinking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lijPyEnSf7M

[Corrupt]

Anytime, there will be atleast 3 to 4 moderators being online. Just hit the report button, if you feel posts are inappropriate and we will initiate necessary action, if it seems fit.


BHW Moderation system is there for some valid reason. so, bypassing asking your fellow member to post the content is like breaking the moderation system of BHW. Those threads and post will be removed.

I did report jdog92's post, indicating several reasons for why his, and that junior VIP's who was accusing the OP of racism, posts were inappropriate. Did they get an infraction as well?

Jdog92 wasn't blaming the OP because of getting someone else to post the method for him, he were acting like a moderator and asking questions about his previous account, and acting like a douchebag in general, reasons for which I mentioned in my previous post.

[SmileAtmysins]

Damn straight OP. I do see dumbass people come in here, randomly make an attempt at a verbal assault towards another member just for stating their OPINION on something and then more members start joining in against the random user. Just a big ugly mess and these kids need to straight fuck off or grow up.

[marusia]

I agree. It's not even the "flaming" that's been bothering me. It's the intolerance. Some can't stand women in IM, so they voice their opinion...whatever. It's the people talking shit about sexuality/race/religion that pisses me off. A shithead this morning implied to someone else that since they were Indian, their opinion didn't matter. Luckily that asshat was banned almost immediately.

Mods do a LOT behind the scenes here. The only thing I can do is voice my opinion and report posts. Until I'm told to stop reporting posts, I'll keep doing it...and I suggest everyone else to do the same.

[Neo240]

I truly hope that BHW goes to invitation only forum too. But i guess it wont. Too bad i didnt find the forum earlier.

[transam7410]

Damn straight OP. I do see dumbass people come in here, randomly make an attempt at a verbal assault towards another member just for stating their OPINION on something and then more members start joining in against the random user. Just a big ugly mess and these kids need to straight fuck off or grow up.

Thanks huh. Why can't I stop watching your squirrel run around in your sig???!!! Nice

[WizIMS]

Damn, someone had to talk about this before! This is totally true.

For example, few days ago I tried to share some really brilliant method that I've been using, and it was something really special.

I have over 5 years experience online, then some shitty teenager made the first comment "This is wrong.. bla bla shit bla" then few other teenagers followed him by commenting about the same shit.

It was a truly great share, and I'm sure these fuckers knows nothing about what I was talking about. Well anyway, I just closed the thread and put "Nevermind.." instead.

STUPID FUCKERS:
if you feel ungrateful or if you feel that you know more than what the OP knows -- Specially when someone is trying to share something, please go complain about that shit in DP.

[transam7410]

Agreed. I report probably 2-3 posts per day which I find not appropriate for the forum, and there are many times they don't get closed or deleted, but you can bet they are seen by the mods if you report it. Don't ABUSE the report button, but if you truly think something is WAY out of line, report it. If people get extra reports about them, mods will probably PM them or issue a short ban to try to get the point across.

Not everyone is going to have the same ideas about what type of response is appropriate. Not everyone has the same sense of humor. Not everyone has the same cultural upbringing.

If you don't agree, make a report, or ask the person straight up "Why did you make that type of reply? I don't agree with you posting that type of response and I think it was very inappropriate." If people agree, they will thank you and the person will see that their behavior isn't wanted in general.

If you truly think you are right, don't be afraid to call someone out. I can assure you if you are being reasonable, you will get tons more positive rep then negative rep. You might make a few enemies, but that happens in business. And BHW is a business. We are all part of this company.

Thanks for bringing that up, Ive never once used the report button since it's red and scares me but I think I'll be using it now.

[marusia]

Thanks for bringing that up, Ive never once used the report button since it's red and scares me but I think I'll be using it now.

Mods won't get mad if you use it correctly. If anything, you're helping them.

[dadpal]

The OP of that post was just banned for saying that the Mod was being irracional, and don't want to be logical.

3 Infractions:
1- Make someone post for him
2- Go agains't a mod decision
3- Spam in the mod message (sent 2 messages in a row)

He deserved to be banned!!! When someone posted a thread asking for designer and coders to make an theme for $$, he did it for free!!!

And he even opened a thread to make free designs!!

He had low posts, because he tried to only post on places that he felt would contribute with something...

He deserve that

What OP?

[bilbo]

The owners of this forum ( or the people making the money from it ) should be doing a cost analysis based on paid membership versus invite only versus open forum. yes i know BHW has a VIP ( been told its not that good ) however........ you guys need to look at another model.

aprt from the spam that appears i dont like senior users here posting something special and then its appears on DP and a thousand other forums including other blackhat forums ( i know that sounds hypocritical )

even if its $10 a year to join here then 99% of the existing membership will just sign up. The upside all DP foder ( spelling ) will disappear.

[transam7410]

Mods won't get mad if you use it correctly. If anything, you're helping them.

I never thought about it like that. I don't like being a rat, so its messin with my integrity, but I also hate seeing fellow aspiring IM'ers getting punished for their opinions by chumps behind keyboards

[NikosX]

I agree with the OP. I am a very old or some super sharing member here but I recently made a [GET] post and I regretted it with the ton of idiotic pms and replies (not all pms where stupid ofc) asking for more and more and more...

[Virus1]

What you are talking about has always happened.
It happens here and it happens in every other forum on the net.
BHW mods are trying to stamp that out, and they need our help.

But we all should know the rules. Go read the TOS if you need to.

Making or having anything to do with making more than one account
on BHW is reason for ban, regardless of how many people you were planning on helping.

I do not believe the mods are going crazy just banning people out of nowhere.
They use their discretion, and sometimes not all of us are going to agree with them.
But that is the nature of the beast.

On another point, making BHW on an invite basis is really not the way to go.

If BHW was on an invite only, 80% of the people posting on this very thread would not have been invited.
I have seen countless invite only groups, which i have been invited, go down to sh!t due to a shortage of their so called "qualified Members"

If you post a thread and 10 teenage punks put it down and tear it all up.... maybe your post was not all that great to start with. That is not BHW's fault.

What I find appalling is all these threads of complaints that I see almost on a daily basis.
When I see the OP, I go and read all their other posts.... and it almost always turns out that they themselves do not contribute anything of value to BHW.

So, I tell everyone on BHW---- before you post a complaint --- ask yourself this one question
"Have I contributed enough to BHW this week for me to have earned the right to post a complaint"
... I bet most of us have not.

and remember this...

"Ask not what BHW can do for you BUT what you can do for BHW."

[Narrator]

I always try to report inappropriate posts.

Another stupid thing that made my eyes bleed was a JUNIOR VIP accusing the OP of racism just because he typed "Hello, Black haters " instead of "black hatters", TWICE, Even after the OP explained his english wasn't very well, which was also clear throughout the thread...

I missed that one but it does sound funny

[SmileAtmysins]

Thanks huh. Why can't I stop watching your squirrel run around in your sig???!!! Nice

I know right. I watch it sometimes too when i'm lost in though about internet marketing. So many possibilities.

[AGman]

If
transam7410

is the girl in the picture, we should all do exactly what she says

[Lebron2727]

i have been lurking a while and now finally i feel that i can contribute a bit, the things mentioned above i totally agree on.

the thing that i missed is this one:

small timers calling out big timers on BS, the way i have been learning most is by finding members that earn my respect and then reading ALL their posts... but like half the time they post something people do not believe them and tell them its BS
i suspect they are young and that is cool, but show some respect to people who have the knowledge

there are no books on most of this, these succesfull guys are all we have, they do not need to post here, they do it for reasons of enjoyment or the feeling to return the favor.. so please be nice, and before calling BS on some guy (which i do not understand why you should IT IS THE INTERNET), check his former posts and check if you think that you should value what he says even though it sounds ridiculous (this happened to me a few times, but i decided to believe them, and trust me they were right )

[Xaviers]

IDk what happened to this forum. IDK if its the DP and Warrior Forum kids coming over here. Ive let this slide for awhile without saying anything, trying to be the bigger person.

It seems everytime someone tries to start a decent thread, the OP is attacked by some internet keyboard warrior for one of a hundred reasons. I used to like reading every thread here, now its being overrun by a bunch of teenagers. If their not teenagers, they damn sure act like one.

Not one of you nit picking pussies would have the gall to say half the things you say in public, because you would have your face smashed in.

Where the moderators at? If I owned a forum like this, and punk ass kids were attacking people that were providing content for my site, bet my BanHammer would have miles on it.

If you feel the need to nit pick someones post, look in the mirror before you do, remember there are guys here that make more than you, and with that you can learn alot, and if not, your wasting your life living in denial.

You're speaking from my soul. Everybody is brave behind a computer. Business is business and and it's being turned into something else.
I think the more you move up in BHW the less you have to concern yourself with the unnecessary. Just coming in you're on the ground floor with everybody but I'm sure it's less of an aggravation in jr. vip and even less in executive vip.

[WizGizmo]

We (the staff) do the best we can. We show up here every
day to help this forum. What we do is strictly on a voluntary
basis. It is our way of giving back. It is not an easy job and
we are often placed in a position of "Damned if you do -
Damned if you don't".

Some people will say that we are too strict and some will say
that we are too lenient. All I can say is that we try very hard
to exercise the best, most rational judgment we can.

We (the staff) care very much about Black Hat World and
everything we do is in the best interest of BHW and its
members.

I have nothing more to say beyond that . . .

"Wiz"

[balsagoth007]

I am a member of the forum for only One year and sincerely the Forum changed a lot since that time.
+
There must be "A Do Not Flam" sticky on every sub forum.

[RandomName]

I believe you are referring to that post, where the guy was bashing the new registered guy just because "I've been on these forums for three years and I can be as mean as I want".

To be fair, although I'm sure a couple of the people on that thread could have worded things a little differently, if you looked at the OPs posts (40 over the past day) it could look very much like there was an agenda behind their post (in terms of building a rep quickly in order to potentially build trust/make sales).

Their behaviour, IMO, appeared to warrant some attention - and as their posts have been deleted, and their account banned, I'm assuming that others felt something wasn't quite right there either (either that or their bypassing the rules by getting someone else to post content for them wasn't well received).

Ganging up on people clearly shouldn't be tolerated, but moderators on a site this size clearly need some community spirit to back them up/assist, so calling someone out (albeit in a pretty blunt way) shouldn't be a bad thing surely?

Perhaps it would have been a better course of action to report that particular users behaviour for mod investigation rather than posting bluntly on the thread, but forums like this move fast, perhaps the people doing the "bashing" felt they were trying to prevent newbies falling foul of someone who may not have had alterior motives from taking advantage of them.

RN

[mrankin]

Well said OP, it used to be that sh*theads like these were banned in a second a few years ago, but now anyone can do pretty much anything and get away with it. not the same place it once was which is sad. Only the Admins really have the power to change things - if the mods aren't doing they're job.

[mrankin]

At $10 a year 0.1% of the existing members will sign up. Lots of people simply aren't willing or aren't able to pay for a membership to a forum. We will lose a lot of very good quality threads and posts. A lot of new member start threads with very little information, and they can explode into great discussions with thousands of views. If the servers can handle it, then I think the BHW owner would like to see as many threads as possible, except for spam or threads against the rules.

That won't make a bit of difference. To be honest the members that piss me off the most are those that are Jr Vips and then think of themselves as elitists belittling other regular members. Donating or subscribing to Jr Vip does not make anyone better, it's just a personal decision.

Making the forum invite-only also isn't a good idea, I originally found the forum through a Google search as I'm sure many others did as well.

Personally I think there should be tougher rules on offensive and useless posts. Bottom line should be keep it professional, or put it in the lounge, period.

[TheMatrix]

Anytime, there will be atleast 3 to 4 moderators being online. Just hit the report button, if you feel posts are inappropriate and we will initiate necessary action, if it seems fit.

Hey BB

Yes, that is what I do; I report probably 10 posts every day. And that is what bugs me. Why give people a chance to create non-sense here?

Now, I'm not doubting the ability and the work of mods, they are great! But BHW has now grown. It needs to be closed now, or at least highly exclusive. Make the registration process as difficult as a job interview.

Just my 2 cents (more).

Matrix

[papaRock]

OK...let see what if?

If we make BHW an invite-only forum?
Then you'll see a thread in other forum similar to the thread in BHW lounge asking for TP2P invites.

If we leave it as it is and let those DP's & WF's people to join in?
Then the warrior's sales will drop since everyone getting it for free in the BHW dowload section.
We (B-Hatters) can't sell craps on WF anymore because most of them are here.

If everyone do their part by clicking the report post button?
Imagine 5 click x 100 user x 1 day = 500 reports/day for the Mods (voluntarily job) to check into.
But trust me they (Mod) are doing their level best to do their part in moderating the forum.

If we give the 'scumbag' an advice to behave properly in the thread?
Trust me it won't stop there as he/she wont accept it and will reply again and it will only prolong the argument.

If we just ban that 'mothafucka' who don't behave or act childishly?
That will only turn BHW into a very strict forum and like Wiz said it's very hard to exercise the best practice.
But then again 'this people' on coming with a different ID or different people with the same idiot mentality.

yeah it's very complicated right?

All i can say is that this 'shit' happen because everyone have different way of thinking.
At the end, it depends on how the way you were brought up... (Yes please do blame it on your parent)

During my teenagers time, I myself make lots of stupid mistake in life and sometimes i do act childishly as well.
But once you grow up, once you are married, once you have kids, slowly you will change and the word is 'Matured'
But some people do have the capability to think and act maturely when they are still teenager.
Like i said again, depend on how the way they brought up....

So if there is any teenagers or childish forumer here currently reading my post...Listen here:

- BHW is about a business community minded forum
- Do you want other's to respect you in this forum?
- Do you want to be treated as an adult?
- Do you want to learn lot's of other stuff beyond your imagination?
- Do you want to make friends with well knowledgeable Blackhat mastermind?

The only thing that you need to do is to grow up and act maturely....
Or at least try to pretend that you are matured.

This is a virtual world, people can't see your face.
So this is your chance to play a role as an adult and earn some respect from others.

My advice: Think Before You Post

[dadpal]

To be fair, although I'm sure a couple of the people on that thread could have worded things a little differently, if you looked at the OPs posts (40 over the past day) it could look very much like there was an agenda behind their post (in terms of building a rep quickly in order to potentially build trust/make sales).

Their behaviour, IMO, appeared to warrant some attention - and as their posts have been deleted, and their account banned, I'm assuming that others felt something wasn't quite right there either (either that or their bypassing the rules by getting someone else to post content for them wasn't well received).

Ganging up on people clearly shouldn't be tolerated, but moderators on a site this size clearly need some community spirit to back them up/assist, so calling someone out (albeit in a pretty blunt way) shouldn't be a bad thing surely?

Perhaps it would have been a better course of action to report that particular users behaviour for mod investigation rather than posting bluntly on the thread, but forums like this move fast, perhaps the people doing the "bashing" felt they were trying to prevent newbies falling foul of someone who may not have had alterior motives from taking advantage of them.

RN

Well, every post of the OP of that topic was with the intent of helping, he passed several hours with members helping with their problems, and he also made 2 posts here, that I think the moderator deleted:

Originally Posted by cleverk
The OP of that post was just banned for saying that the Mod was being irracional, and don't want to be logical.

3 Infractions:
1- Make someone post for him
2- Go agains't a mod decision
3- Spam in the mod message (sent 2 messages in a row)

He deserved to be banned!!! When someone posted a thread asking for designer and coders to make an theme for $$, he did it for free!!!

And he even opened a thread to make free designs!!

He had low posts, because he tried to only post on places that he felt would contribute with something...

He deserve that

I don't know if he was trying to scam anyone or not, but it seens anytime someone try to do anything good, its because he's trying to sell something...

[jdog37]

Hmm interesting

[christianbed]

agree with this...adopt a demonoid model