Originally Posted by cantzme

Correct me if I am wrong but the new paypal system won't release the money until they verify that the buyer received the item. By that time they will put a dispute and you are fucked you won't have enough time to get your money out of paypal... but i might be wrong... good luck regardless

"Correct me if I am wrong but the new paypal system won't release the money until they verify that the buyer received the item"
The only time I have heard that is in nigerian scam emails...

It doesnt matter if he takes the money out, he probably has a bank account and CC on his paypal account and they will be able to retrieve any debt he owes.. If somehow he cancels his CC and doesnt have a bank accnt on it, then he will be getting 20 phone calls a day unit he pays, posibly legal action if its enough $

Originally Posted by extreme76

why are ebay not putting a stop to it theres thousands of em at it not just me look here

ebay would of stopped it all by now?

The one you linked to is a real one...

Dude, that's fraud. Fraud is illegal everywhere, illegal = jail time. Good luck to you.

Originally Posted by TheInternetHustler

The one you linked to is a real one...

lol is it see even you got fooled its not undated

So you're selling counterfeit coins that are supposed to be misprints? Illegal.. yes. Either stop and refund people, or paypal will suck any money outta your account when they figure out what you're doing. Or do it as much as you can to make enough to retire to another country where you can fall off the map because authorities will look for you and you will go to jail otherwise. Good luck.

I used to sell Wholesale Lists.

However, I clearned stated 20 times in BIG BOLD RED LETTERS that " YOU ARE NOT BUYING A TV. YOU ARE NOT BUYING A PHYSICAL ITEM. YOU ARE BUYING AN eBOOK".

I made THOUSANDS and thousands each money. Then people got pissed when they didnt get their 60" TV for $24.99.....

I had a ton of people tell me they were going to sue me. Idiots.

The list was actually REALLY good btw. I bought shit off it lol.

I wish eBay still allowed this.

ummmm

Fuck Paypal

(just saying)

Originally Posted by TheInternetHustler

Four years? Did he get all of his assets seized?

Well all the assets he acquired while he was running the scam. The things that he owned before hand the FBI did not seize. He is still watched pretty heavily and now he has a common low paying job as a butcher in Wal mart as no one wanted to hire him again being a convicted felon.

I dont think allot of the money he HID they ever got and he will again someday work some angles but who knows. It in many ways destroyed his life. He was already a successful businessman prior to the Ebay thing but he wanted more.. Allot more and was blinded by greed.

Originally Posted by extreme76

why are ebay not putting a stop to it theres thousands of em at it not just me look here

ebay would of stopped it all by now?

Ebay are arseholes thats why. Like they give a shit. They only do something when ppl flag the auctions of others. The points is if you're breaking the law its up to you to put a stop to it.

It is fraud and with so many customers trust me, someone will take it personally, complain and take it further.

Wait, I am confused... Are you trying to make money for yourself or a lawyer?

dude....what r u doing?

trust me, it ain't worth it if ur dealing with shipped goods.

you might wanna take a look at this...

Code:

http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter/law_case_study.html

shud of used throwaway accounts.

Royal mint makes coins for either south africa or india, now one of the coins they do is worth about 5 pence in our money but its the same size and weight as our 1 pound coins ...
Quick get off down to ...

Listing number 250456382014 states

VERY RARE 20p COIN NO DATE ON QUEENS HEAD

which is clearly misleading as they are not rare at all.

Also, unless you're using another ID, I can only find circa 4 completed listings for you as being sold and only a handful of current listings.

Originally Posted by turner

shud of used throwaway accounts.

Royal mint makes coins for either south africa or india, now one of the coins they do is worth about 5 pence in our money but its the same size and weight as our 1 pound coins ...
Quick get off down to ...

which coin?

Fraud is fraud, jail time a coming!

Don't drop the soap!

best of luck to you in not getting arrested

you should be reading this ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ace-value.html

Originally Posted by topsytips

I can only find circa 4 completed listings for you as being sold and only a handful of current listings.

Actually, I take back what I said above as taking time to look at one of your current multiple BIN listings I can see you have sold loads!!

I don't agree with what you've done but if you're going to do it, why risk an established eBay account??

eBay are probably going to be inundated with complaints and I suspect your account will eventually be suspended.

Don't be surprised to get a call from your local fraud squad. If I was you I would end all listings, get the buyers to agree to cancel the transactions and then refund all monies paid.

I actually think this threade is fake...I don't see a buy it now button as claimed and topsytips what bin listings do you see?

I think the OP should be ashamed of himself selling people in here hope. Obviously he isnt really doing much with this (ahem) method, or, he wouldn't be in here. $80,000 sounds good in theory, but, I doubt this is a reality. Look at the auction, he aint selling enough items fast enough to make $80,000. There are no multiple listings and ebay auctions take 3days at least to end per item.

You want attention doncha

Originally Posted by farfetchedmoney

topsytips what bin listings do you see?

Check out this listing number... 250457730364 (on eBay UK)

No of sales here...

Code:

 http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=250457730364

See he's had 3 negs today on what was a 100% record...

Below is also an answer to a question posted today...the old coins do have a date on the tails side so I guess the OP will say that that is the back of the coin??

Q: is the date on the front? some of them have it on the front instead
A: No there's No date there

Originally Posted by topsytips

Check out this listing number... 250457730364

See he's had 3 negs today on what was a 100% record...

Below is also an answer to a question posted today...the old coins do have a date on the tails side so I guess the OP will say that that is the back of the coin??

Ah I see...even the 151 doesnt add up to 550+ sales though I am surprised he got negative feedback because I didn't think he delivered the items yet to get any feedback.

Originally Posted by farfetchedmoney

Ah I see...even the 151 doesnt add up to 550+ sales though I am surprised he got negative feedback because I didn't think he delivered the items yet to get any feedback.

On completed listings he sold a stack of coins on 2nd July so I guess they've landed on unhappy doorsteps today...

I'm just extremely surprised the listing is still live given how eGay seem to pounce within minutes whenever I do something wrong!!

Originally Posted by topsytips

On completed listings he sold a stack of coins on 2nd July

when I go to completed listings all I see is the motorcycle. When I go to his feedback I see one reply on july, 2 of someone thanking him for buying the coin. Sorry but I dont know what your looking at to see his previous sales.

Edit: I did go to buyer history and see abunch sold today for $2.46. That won't make him rich,lol. I counted 259 sold for 2.46 which equals $637.14...note: don't quote me on count it might be more or less. I aint counting the sales again.

Originally Posted by HealeyV3

I used to sell Wholesale Lists.

I wish eBay still allowed this.

Wholesale list are still being sold on ebay what do you mean?

Originally Posted by farfetchedmoney

when I go to completed listings all I see is the motorcycle. When I go to his feedback I see one reply on july, 2 of someone thanking him for buying the coin. Sorry but I dont know what your looking at to see his previous sales.

Edit: I did go to buyer history and see abunch sold today for $2.46. That won't make him rich,lol. I counted 259 sold for 2.46 which equals $637.14...note: don't quote me on count it might be more or less. I aint counting the sales again.

No, I don;t think it's going to make him rich as he's selling at a BIN price of £1.50 (or $2.46 for you!!).

The earlier profit estimates were, I believe, based on an estimated selling price of circa £51 which is what the real coins are being sold for.

Originally Posted by farfetchedmoney

Wholesale list are still being sold on ebay what do you mean?

I'm guessing the ban on digital downloads. I still sell lists but on CD now and it is a pain.

Originally Posted by topsytips

No, I don;t think it's going to make him rich as he's selling at a BIN price of £1.50 (or $2.46 for you!!).

The earlier profit estimates were, I believe, based on an estimated selling price of circa £51 which is what the real coins are being sold for.

oh ok I gotcha thanks for the clarification.

misleading and deceptive marketing for financial gain, can be pursued as federal crime, in some rare cases international, so the worst thing can happen is FTC and attorney general gets involved, your assets frozen, criminal and civil charges filed against you, and you go join Madoff.
All it takes is one really pissed of costumer to start this, and do not think you can hide behind fake names, servers, proxies,disclaimers and stuff. Trust me, I know, "close partner" had attorneys knock on the door for copyright infringement and misleading advertising even when it was thought to be all covered and safe. Almost all money made went puff to defend the case and reimburse costumers(even costumers never complained-but third party (attorneys) contacted payment processors. Was not as bad as deal was made just not to do it anymore. On the other hand this is BH forum and we all done our fair share of similar things. As long you don't get GREEDY and don't live next door to F.B.I, chances are rather slim that will happen. Nevertheless try to act responsibly. And NO, you are never 100% safe.

Get ready...

"UK Man Convicted in Counterfeit Scam

Davut Turk, living in the UK, raked in tens of thousands of dollars selling expensive jewelry and ornaments on eBay over the past two years. Although described as silver, the products were actually made of brass. Turk’s lucrative scam, which netted him approximately $70,000, was exposed when a customer complaint led to raids on his home and a nearby storage locker. Mr. Turk was recently convicted of 30 offences relating to trade descriptions and the use of counterfeit hallmarks. Officers found more than 200 pounds of fake silver items, ranging from rings and necklaces to candelabras and salt and pepper shakers. Turk was ordered to pay close to $10,000 in court fees and fines. eBay and PayPal investigators assisted law enforcement in an ongoing basis over the course of several months. They were able to assist investigators trace the funds received for this scam as Mr. Turk used PayPal to accept payment from his victims."

Tell a mod to close your thread unless you want this thread to be used as evidence against you.

Start a new life with a fake id or something

Originally Posted by brill

Well all the assets he acquired while he was running the scam. The things that he owned before hand the FBI did not seize. He is still watched pretty heavily and now he has a common low paying job as a butcher in Wal mart as no one wanted to hire him again being a convicted felon.

I dont think allot of the money he HID they ever got and he will again someday work some angles but who knows. It in many ways destroyed his life. He was already a successful businessman prior to the Ebay thing but he wanted more.. Allot more and was blinded by greed.

sounds like somethin out of a movie

I never understood people who fraud or rob banks. If you are going to fraud or steal at least have a proper exit plan. Here is a very basic list:


1. Withdraw as much money as you can.

2. Leave the country, once there, shed all your identity. Maybe even get plastic surgery to change a few features.
3. Leave that country for another one with your new identity.

4. Do NOT (and I repeat it: DO NOT) contact ANYONE from your past life. That includes your parents, your siblings, friends, your sweetheart, your sweetheart best friend, the girl you took to the dance, the girl you always dream of banging if you were load with $$$$. Absolutely NO ONE, you are dead to them and they are dead to you.

5. Live a very clean life but always look over your shoulder b/c you never know when the officials will find you.

If you can't do just those basic things than give the money back now. Say you made a mistake in the shipments or advertisement. Why make a fortune and you can't enjoy it.

The listing has been removed now so obviously eGay have caught up with the OP.

Because of this, my earlier links will no longer work!!

put all the money on red on a roulette table. if you win, cash out and send them their money back saying it was a mistake and you shipped the wrong item out. you just made that amount of money by doubling their money if you lose it, run away... either way, you are going to lose your money and face jail time so might as well take a 50:50 chance of getting all your money and not facing jail time

oh man, you should think about something like that before you do such things.
now you have to live with the consequenzes

God, I wish all buyers are like collectors. Man, you can sell them something at any price if they are interested and really want it.

Earlier, just before I started IM career, I was a numismatic dealer. Boy, what an easy money I could earn sometimes. I even sold one banknote for 1300 back than.

Regarding this, if you were a dealer before, than you can forget on it anymore. They ( collectors ) will eat you alive on all their Google / Yahoo groups, you won't sell anything anymore. If you not ( even if you are ) you could get yourself in deep problems with this.

Whether it's fraud or not. People are stupid. 80$ USD for 20ps >_>

LOL I love it OP can you tell us whats happening it is like a soap opera online!!!! Been waiting suspensefully~

OP no longer a registered user

Auction has been pulled and the OP has been NARU'd so he has no eBay account PLUS he's gonna be someones bitch when Plod catch him.

Just to straighten this up, there are around 200,000 of these coins. There is no date anywhere on them. If they have a date, they're worth 20p. If they have no date, the Royal Mint will buy them back for £50, but only 25,000 of them.

http://www.undated20p.com/register.html

Haha its time to place your bets!!! How long till he is in jail 1 week 2 weeks or hes already in jail

lol you guys are funny spoke to ebay said its perfectly fine my ad states everything perfect and description is ok so if people are buying them then its upto them

suspended account for other reasons will be back on tmrw

hmmm cantzme is create right you're going to be in big trouble before i said im hoping not but reconsidering your most certainly in trouble but you can bounce back by doing something else with the info BHW delivers

Originally Posted by thecodes

sounds like somethin out of a movie

Dude if only you knew the half of it..Craig got caught because he brought another one of our friends Keefer in and the other friend was instantly pulled in by the FBI...HE ultimate was the one that got Craig sent to prison he turned over states evidence because the Feds were pressing him I still haven't found the press release yet but if anyone is good at finding that stuff Research

Craig Levi, Ebay Scam...Matter of fact let me look now.. I am telling you OP this can take your future in the blink of an eye..

B~