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    I am completely new to the whole pp world. I have a negative balance on my pp and i was wondering if i should pay it or not. The acc is under false info of course. I was just wondering if they would ever consider chasing someone after IP address or such extreme methods. Or do they got better things to do?




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    I would pay it, there is plenty of decent money making ideas you could use, and accept paypal for, so its worth having an account like that handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panther28 View Post
    I would pay it, there is plenty of decent money making ideas you could use, and accept paypal for, so its worth having an account like that handy.
    why should he do that? he can open unlimited acc with fake info or even a real one
    i'd say hes safe, no real info, no bank account, no cc linked to the acc
    paypal can take a hike

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    if you have money simple pay if you are broke don't bother even if they chase you, are already broke so what they can do is nothing!

    they chase in rare cases, if you are having bad times chances are they will get to you eventually.

    just kidding man! do not worry all is well they don't care, too busy to scam people and
    they already had covered your -balance from someone else account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoNeYBiRD View Post
    why should he do that? he can open unlimited acc with fake info or even a real one
    i'd say hes safe, no real info, no bank account, no cc linked to the acc
    paypal can take a hike
    Thanks for your reply. That is exactly what i was thinking. I can make another one if i need it. Which i probably won't. There is no real info what so ever attached to the acc. I was just a little worried they might chase me by internet/comp trails. Would they ever consider of doing that?

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    [QUOTE=vishalgmistry;5113726]if you have money simple pay if you are broke don't bother even if they chase you, are already broke so what they can do is nothing!

    they chase in rare cases, if you are having bad times chances are they will get to you eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loopy92 View Post
    Thanks for your reply. That is exactly what i was thinking. I can make another one if i need it. Which i probably won't. There is no real info what so ever attached to the acc. I was just a little worried they might chase me by internet/comp trails. Would they ever consider of doing that?
    well, you can never be sure of course
    but ask yourself these questions: how much do i owe them? does it worth to them to trace me?
    chances that they won't do it anyway

    on the other hand adding this to my above post:
    i'd take paying into consideration, if it was my fault, but if it was one of their bs reasons which is the case most of the time, i wouldn't give them a dime

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoNeYBiRD View Post
    well, you can never be sure of course
    but ask yourself these questions: how much do i owe them? does it worth to them to trace me?
    chances that they won't do it anyway

    on the other hand adding this to my above post:
    i'd take paying into consideration, if it was my fault, but if it was one of their bs reasons which is the case most of the time, i wouldn't give them a dime
    Well it would definitely be worthless for them to chase me over such an amount. It was actually their fault. That is i don't want to pay it. As far as i heard don't they just report it to some debt collecting company and leave it up to them to recover the funds from the person?

    Also would it be possible to operate a pp acc and be completely pp un-tracable?

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    They WILL chase you. Money means everything to these people.

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    pp will hire a hitman, you're fucked

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMpossible View Post
    They WILL chase you. Money means everything to these people.
    false info on everything.... can you tell me how they will chase me? From what i know debt collection agencies buy these debts for a penny to the dollar and now its their problem.
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    If it was a stealth account they can not chase you simple.
    Just dont use the same ip address on any future accounts and clear all the cookies from your pc.
    And dont ever log back into that pp account.

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    Honestly, I would not be too concerned about it. Its your money, why pay them right? Specially since its a stealth account. I doubt they'll go as far as IP address to track you down.

    I can speak from experience in paypal tracking you down. They act all tough and scary. but they aint shit really.

    I was selling digital goods years ago on ebay. before having tracking numbers was such a big deal and so many scam artists on there.

    anywho, i sold in game items for an MMORPG on ebay, was paid via paypal, and made bank. least in my mind i did, being i was only 15 and was making as much then while in school, playing sports, homework, and hanging out with friends as i do now working 60 hours a week. god i miss those days, paid to play games. ah...twas the life lol.

    anywho...since i sold digital goods, transferred in game, there was no shipping. because i didnt ship anything, i have no tracking. no tracking means no proof of delivery. welp...one of these gamers got smart on me and decided they were gonna report me for never delivering. they opened up a claim with paypal. paypal asked me for proof of shipping. since it was online, i had nothing. at this time, it wasnt against ebays TOS to sell digital goods. but for some freakin reason, it was against paypals TOS. the rep i spoke to said that ALL purchase transactions are to be for physical goods, and that the seller is required to provide proof of shipment if requested to do so.

    obviously, i couldnt prove jack to paypal. and it was a buyers market. paypal ALWAYS favored the buyer. i lost the claim. $2,000 worth of chargebacks. They drained my paypal account, taking away $1300 straight up. that was all i had in the account at the time. What was strange, they attempted to obtain the remaining funds via the back account linked to the paypal account. thankfully my back account say that as strange, and put a hold on that transaction until i could confirm it. which i told the bank hell no, dont give them a penny. and they didnt.

    Paypal still wants their money from me. but they shall never get it. they have threatened to take me to court over it. i have since then opened up 3 new paypal accounts, new banks in new cities. the first bank account was same name same city, only a few months later. of course they froze this account, and took all the money from it. i was careful and drained this account as much as possible. they only got maybe $100 from me on this account. second time i used a family member's account. not sure how they linked this one to me, besides last name. different computer, different house, different ip address, different ebay account. everything was different, but they linked it to me. froze the account, took over a month to get the funds out. they shut this account down. only thing i was allowed to do is deposit the money in the linked back account. couldnt send or receive payments of any sorts. the third account was a few years later, under my name and in a different town. same thing as account two, but not much money was in it that time.

    point of this is, they have been chasing me down for 8 years now. and they wont get anything more from me either! i refuse to pay them. i've gotten letters from them saying to pay it. they constantly called me, non stop, at the most inconvenient hours, telling me i owe them $XXX.XX and if i dont pay it they'll sue me. i got letters from collection agencies. and i got notices of paypal bringing up charges against me. somehow they happened to obtain a few of my numbers, and some of my previous addresses as well. calling and mailing me.

    but i'm still fine. 8 years and going. if it got serious, i would fight them on the fact that they allowed a minor use their site. but it hasnt come to that yet. and i do not plan on giving them a penny more of my money. screw paypal.

    so in summary, i'd say you'll be fine. stealth account, i really doubt they'll do much to track down the real you. if you're paranoid bout it, or believe in karma, then it may be best to pay it off if you can afford to do so. if you were me, i'd tell paypal to go to hell and give them the finger as you smile at them. maybe send them a picture of your new account with some other site and write a nice and loving letter about how much better this other company is compared to how much paypal sucks. but thats just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loopy92 View Post
    false info on everything.... can you tell me how they will chase me? From what i know debt collection agencies buy these debts for a penny to the dollar and now its their problem.
    Bro, they don't have to care for the pennies. All they have to do is to give it to the POLICE, and THEY will chase you.

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    Honestly, I would not be too concerned about it. Its your money, why pay them right? Specially since its a stealth account. I doubt they'll go as far as IP address to track you down.

    I can speak from experience in paypal tracking you down. They act all tough and scary. but they aint shit really.

    I was selling digital goods years ago on ebay. before having tracking numbers was such a big deal and so many scam artists on there.

    anywho, i sold in game items for an MMORPG on ebay, was paid via paypal, and made bank. least in my mind i did, being i was only 15 and was making as much then while in school, playing sports, homework, and hanging out with friends as i do now working 60 hours a week. god i miss those days, paid to play games. ah...twas the life lol.

    anywho...since i sold digital goods, transferred in game, there was no shipping. because i didnt ship anything, i have no tracking. no tracking means no proof of delivery. welp...one of these gamers got smart on me and decided they were gonna report me for never delivering. they opened up a claim with paypal. paypal asked me for proof of shipping. since it was online, i had nothing. at this time, it wasnt against ebays TOS to sell digital goods. but for some freakin reason, it was against paypals TOS. the rep i spoke to said that ALL purchase transactions are to be for physical goods, and that the seller is required to provide proof of shipment if requested to do so.

    obviously, i couldnt prove jack to paypal. and it was a buyers market. paypal ALWAYS favored the buyer. i lost the claim. $2,000 worth of chargebacks. They drained my paypal account, taking away $1300 straight up. that was all i had in the account at the time. What was strange, they attempted to obtain the remaining funds via the back account linked to the paypal account. thankfully my back account say that as strange, and put a hold on that transaction until i could confirm it. which i told the bank hell no, dont give them a penny. and they didnt.

    Paypal still wants their money from me. but they shall never get it. they have threatened to take me to court over it. i have since then opened up 3 new paypal accounts, new banks in new cities. the first bank account was same name same city, only a few months later. of course they froze this account, and took all the money from it. i was careful and drained this account as much as possible. they only got maybe $100 from me on this account. second time i used a family member's account. not sure how they linked this one to me, besides last name. different computer, different house, different ip address, different ebay account. everything was different, but they linked it to me. froze the account, took over a month to get the funds out. they shut this account down. only thing i was allowed to do is deposit the money in the linked back account. couldnt send or receive payments of any sorts. the third account was a few years later, under my name and in a different town. same thing as account two, but not much money was in it that time.

    point of this is, they have been chasing me down for 8 years now. and they wont get anything more from me either! i refuse to pay them. i've gotten letters from them saying to pay it. they constantly called me, non stop, at the most inconvenient hours, telling me i owe them $XXX.XX and if i dont pay it they'll sue me. i got letters from collection agencies. and i got notices of paypal bringing up charges against me. somehow they happened to obtain a few of my numbers, and some of my previous addresses as well. calling and mailing me.

    but i'm still fine. 8 years and going. if it got serious, i would fight them on the fact that they allowed a minor use their site. but it hasnt come to that yet. and i do not plan on giving them a penny more of my money. screw paypal.

    so in summary, i'd say you'll be fine. stealth account, i really doubt they'll do much to track down the real you. if you're paranoid bout it, or believe in karma, then it may be best to pay it off if you can afford to do so. if you were me, i'd tell paypal to go to hell and give them the finger as you smile at them. maybe send them a picture of your new account with some other site and write a nice and loving letter about how much better this other company is compared to how much paypal sucks. but thats just me.

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    bravo ionic cracked paypal what i tend not to understand form this long speech article is why paypal chase you for 8 years please check the figures you wrote in the post( 2,000) which they took 1300 did you intended to write 20000 whch they took 130000 cox this sound like a story book to me they hev hell lot of scamers out there trying to scam them millions to fou on between you mention you change state blah blah blah you did this just to out smart paypal if yes WOW you need to puplish this article
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMpossible View Post
    Bro, they don't have to care for the pennies. All they have to do is to give it to the POLICE, and THEY will chase you.
    These is some truth behind this. When it comes to this, as long as its only you owe them money and not a high dollar amount in the thousands, i think it'd fall under collections and not criminal. kinda like medical bills, dental bills, and such.

    now if it gets into the stealth account, fake info, and all that then the law could get involved. of course, this is going to depend on your local laws.

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    ]bravo ionic cracked paypal what i thend not to understand form this long speech article is why paypay chase you for 8 years please check the figures you wrote in the post 2,000 which they took 1300 did you intended to write 20000 whch they took 130000 cox this sound like a story book to me brither
    i'm a little confused on what you're asking. perhaps i made a typo in my text. if i did, i apologize. its been a long day and i'm not proof reading my posts before hitting submit.

    just to clarify, the chargebacks to my account was two-thousand USD. my account had roughly one-thousand and three hundred USD in the account at the time. Paypal seized all of that, and i never saw it again. According to paypal, to this date i still owe them seven hundred dollars and some change. the exact number i do not remember, was not a highlight for my life and at the time they did have me pretty freaked out. 715 and some pennies, give or take.

    the money they took from my first account AFTER they took my money was NOT credited towards this debt that i owed them. not fair, and total bull, but thats how they played it. they closed that account claiming fraud or some bs and shut it down.

    take it or leave it. if you don't want to believe it, then take it as a good piece of fiction. if you do believe it, great. sorry, i can no longer provide screen shots of the entire incident. that compute died out many years ago. and i'm sorry, i cannot upload any scanned documents of the letters that paypal mailed me. i made sure to destroy them, hoping to deny knowledge of any of it. though i will be sure that the next time paypal finds me and sends me another letter, first thing i will do is go and scan it and upload it here so that you can see some sort of proof.

    yes, i get that was a long post and a lot of reading. if you want to take it as complete bs, be my guest. all i am trying to do is help the OP with the question that he asked about and offer my advise from my personal experience. if you would like to bash me, please start your own thread to do so and not distract the point of this thread.
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    You better pay your bills instead of having trouble with pp, buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronic View Post
    Honestly, I would not be too concerned about it. Its your money, why pay them right? Specially since its a stealth account. I doubt they'll go as far as IP address to track you down.

    I can speak from experience in paypal tracking you down. They act all tough and scary. but they aint shit really.

    I was selling digital goods years ago on ebay. before having tracking numbers was such a big deal and so many scam artists on there.

    anywho, i sold in game items for an MMORPG on ebay, was paid via paypal, and made bank. least in my mind i did, being i was only 15 and was making as much then while in school, playing sports, homework, and hanging out with friends as i do now working 60 hours a week. god i miss those days, paid to play games. ah...twas the life lol.

    anywho...since i sold digital goods, transferred in game, there was no shipping. because i didnt ship anything, i have no tracking. no tracking means no proof of delivery. welp...one of these gamers got smart on me and decided they were gonna report me for never delivering. they opened up a claim with paypal. paypal asked me for proof of shipping. since it was online, i had nothing. at this time, it wasnt against ebays TOS to sell digital goods. but for some freakin reason, it was against paypals TOS. the rep i spoke to said that ALL purchase transactions are to be for physical goods, and that the seller is required to provide proof of shipment if requested to do so.

    obviously, i couldnt prove jack to paypal. and it was a buyers market. paypal ALWAYS favored the buyer. i lost the claim. $2,000 worth of chargebacks. They drained my paypal account, taking away $1300 straight up. that was all i had in the account at the time. What was strange, they attempted to obtain the remaining funds via the back account linked to the paypal account. thankfully my back account say that as strange, and put a hold on that transaction until i could confirm it. which i told the bank hell no, dont give them a penny. and they didnt.

    Paypal still wants their money from me. but they shall never get it. they have threatened to take me to court over it. i have since then opened up 3 new paypal accounts, new banks in new cities. the first bank account was same name same city, only a few months later. of course they froze this account, and took all the money from it. i was careful and drained this account as much as possible. they only got maybe $100 from me on this account. second time i used a family member's account. not sure how they linked this one to me, besides last name. different computer, different house, different ip address, different ebay account. everything was different, but they linked it to me. froze the account, took over a month to get the funds out. they shut this account down. only thing i was allowed to do is deposit the money in the linked back account. couldnt send or receive payments of any sorts. the third account was a few years later, under my name and in a different town. same thing as account two, but not much money was in it that time.

    point of this is, they have been chasing me down for 8 years now. and they wont get anything more from me either! i refuse to pay them. i've gotten letters from them saying to pay it. they constantly called me, non stop, at the most inconvenient hours, telling me i owe them $XXX.XX and if i dont pay it they'll sue me. i got letters from collection agencies. and i got notices of paypal bringing up charges against me. somehow they happened to obtain a few of my numbers, and some of my previous addresses as well. calling and mailing me.

    but i'm still fine. 8 years and going. if it got serious, i would fight them on the fact that they allowed a minor use their site. but it hasnt come to that yet. and i do not plan on giving them a penny more of my money. screw paypal.

    so in summary, i'd say you'll be fine. stealth account, i really doubt they'll do much to track down the real you. if you're paranoid bout it, or believe in karma, then it may be best to pay it off if you can afford to do so. if you were me, i'd tell paypal to go to hell and give them the finger as you smile at them. maybe send them a picture of your new account with some other site and write a nice and loving letter about how much better this other company is compared to how much paypal sucks. but thats just me.

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    Make an action movie out of this making PayPal look like the mob or something. PayPal car chases with guns and shit. Hunting you down for a few hundred. It would be a great metaphor of what PayPal does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oplaopla View Post
    Make an action movie out of this making PayPal look like the mob or something. PayPal car chases with guns and shit. Hunting you down for a few hundred. It would be a great metaphor of what PayPal does.
    thats a super idea , anybody with a Ferrari car that i can crash ?
    Nah it is so good idea i am gonna re-write it for my filming abilities

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    I think i should have added that this is not an american pp acc. This acc was registered in Europe. Registered in France. Stealth acc in France. What can they do now?

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    How do you get to a negative balance? Doesn't pp prevent payments if you don't have enough funds? Just asking...

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    In the UK we would say "Bump It"

    Its a false account, false details,false bloody everything, so lets think you pay it
    then make a sale for 500 euros then paypal puts a freeze on account for Further ID.

    Are you back here looking for a photoshop expert etc and paying more money.

    Open a real one for your legit business dealings (if you are old enough)

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    Weird but true story. I have an old PP acc in my real name and it was in arrears and I still haven't paid it years later... Plus I am using a new acc in the same name :P Guess I should wait for the door to break down any second.

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    Best thing to do with Paypal is fuck them, like the fuck their customers with their bad fucking attitudes. One company I am waiting for people to wise up against and have nothing to do with the thieving greedy fks.

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    Make an action movie out of this making PayPal look like the mob or something. PayPal car chases with guns and shit. Hunting you down for a few hundred. It would be a great metaphor of what PayPal does.
    ha, i love the idea behind this. all members of BHW invited to the premier showing!

    paypal is just like any other collection company here in the states. they talk big, they make threats. but i've never had any of them do anything more than annoying phone calls and junk mail. from my experience with them, they called from different numbers and different area codes. i would block them when i got a call from a new number. they always said they were paypal, but who knows. i never researched any of them to see if it was legit paypal calling me, or if it was a collection agency calling on behalf of paypal, or basically just impersonating them after buying off their owed money.

    mrsharz, i still dont understand what you're trying to say. where did i mention i moved states away and they still chased me? i did move to different cities, because my family was split up and i used this to my advantage. thats why i had different accounts in different cities, but they were all still in the same ~50 mile radius.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loopy92 View Post
    It was actually their fault. That is i don't want to pay it.
    i'm not completely sure of the OP's situation or what lead to him receiving a negative balance, but i feel the same way about it. in my experience, i was a young teenager who found a loophole to make some money with basically no work. some other kid, or likely some 40 year old fat virgin, found a loophole as well. as far as i'm concerned, i was the victim that got scammed. but paypal sided with the buyer on a technicality, which is why i lost as much money as i did. which may not be a high amount to most, but at the time it was enough to buy a first car, and was my investment money.

    Quote Originally Posted by omdano View Post
    thats a super idea , anybody with a Ferrari car that i can crash ?
    Nah it is so good idea i am gonna re-write it for my filming abilities
    "based on a true story" can be very loosely based on a true story nowadays. think of it as a catch me if you can knockoff, but with more action, more explosions, some average kid who made a few bucks and happens to have rich friends willing to help him out by letting him borrow a bad ass car for the high speed chase scenes, and paypal is the evil chasing us hard working people down. maybe a film like that will make people open their eyes and paypal could get whats coming to them .

    Quote Originally Posted by sirgold View Post
    How do you get to a negative balance? Doesn't pp prevent payments if you don't have enough funds? Just asking...
    The only way i know on getting a negative balance is if you are the seller and the buyer disputes the charge, and you do not have enough funds in the account to cover the refund. this is what happened in my case. I had received funds from multiple sales on ebay, had transferred the maximum amount i could to my bank account, and was waiting to transfer the remaining funds when that ass hole opened up a dispute against me. there could be other ways, but i think paypal wont allow you to send funds if you don't have the funds to cover it, or it remains pending until the funds have cleared from a bank account or associated card.

    maceveli, i wouldnt be concerned. paypal wouldnt go that far over pennies. they may threaten. phone calls, junk mail, and the likes. but they never once did anything more. all talk in my mind. when the government gets involved, that is when you need to reinforce your doors and windows!

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    Well it depends on how much you own them.

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    I will always answer this question this way:

    Imagine you're bent over a bed in a prison with some huge dude about to bugger you from behind. Then he says "I heard you got arrested for some small crime and then they found you had also committed bank fraud. Might want to cover your mouth, this hurts the first few times".

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    It just depends on how much you owe them. As far as tracing IPs and computers you have to fall under criminal intent and have the law on your ass. No ISP is going to turn over that info to a collection agency.

    Understand though if it is a serious amount of money the collection agency is well within their rights to seek a summary judgement, then lien Bank accounts / assets and garnish wages. Most states have a statute of limitations for debt collection and once that time has passed you can tell future collection efforts to pound sand. Some shady collection agencies will still try to get a summary judgement and succeed if you don't answer the Court that the statute of limitations has passed. Once they secure a summary judgement they can proceed with asset acquisitions. Know the date the debt was incurred and find the statute of limitations for your State. 8 years seems a bit long.

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    If it is stealth eff em!

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    Man, I found myself in a situation some years ago when I had over $8,000 in chargebacks.

    I never got so much as an email. They limited my account and that was that.

    I'm not scared of no PayPal.

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    Isn't using a stealth exactly for that purpose?

    Use it, if it gets burnt move on to another one.

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