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    So I've tapped into my dirty side and bought some cheap, "disc only shipped in sleeve" porn DVDs on ejay.

    Now I knew they were going to be bootlegs and I was fine with that, they came to me and actually looked really good but were bootlegs.

    But I did some research into the Adult DVD market on eJay and 13 of the top 20 sellers for DVDs on eJay's adult only section are bootlegers, I.E. selling copied DVDs from top tier companies (digital playground, vivid ect.)

    These guys are making 2k, selling things for average $10 they make for what... a buck? The more shocking thing is some of them have been around 2 years, have nice eJay stores and top sellers.

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    So I'm really interested on this... how have they gotten away with it this many years and do the porn companies even care about bootleg copies being sold on eJay? Because I can't find a single action or discussion on eJay bootleg adult dvds. I'm somewhat interested in getting into this myself, seems like an easy side thing for money.

    Whatcha think? Is it a party just waiting to be crashed or are porn companies too busy with the tubesites / torrents to care about losing a few grand a month to piety eJay sellers.
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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    I thought about the same thing today as well. I found some guys on ebay and other sites selling these copied porn DVD´s and nobody cared.

    Man do you have skype? Lets discuss this. My skype name is the same like my BHW name. Lets get this started as a JV. What do you think?

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    I am interested too, we would need someone who would make the CDs though, I could supply you guys with the CDs and make the copies and then send them out, send me a MSG.
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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    Quote Originally Posted by bhbeer30 View Post
    My memory is fuzzy but I know atleast one of the large companies had employees just for searching and sending C&D orders to tube sites etc.
    All the big companies do, that's why you never see like a vivid video up for more than an hour or two. They have full time people working on that.

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    Interesting inputs here - but what about the older DVD´s? Maybe its not so clever to sell DVD´s of the hottest company out there but what about making collections or packages with 10-20 DVD´s and tell them you wanna sell the "stock" from a friend or you found them?

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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    I'm just not complete sold on trying to sell it, I mean surely the big time legitimate adult sellers have contacted the production companies to try to get them shut down/taken care of because of all the potential sells they're eating...

    Like adam and eve & adult e-mart, both big time legit companies /w connections to DP and vivid and such, sitting UNDER a bunch of bootleggers in total revenue per month while they go off making amazing profit margins for counterfeits.

    The only logical thing I can come to is they have their legal hands completely full with bigger matters or they are letting the sellers 'fatten' up or something so they can really hit them hard legally instead of getting the auctions pulled/accounts suspended.

    Just trying to figure it out before I think about moving in with some folks or something.

    But yeah sirjocky, I bet old 'vintage' dvds would be pretty easy to get by, I mean with all these porn a-list titles up for sell at bootleg prices... you'll be even lower on their list... you could probably get away with that forever.

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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    You would be surprised the type of items that fly under the radar on *bay. Yea certain items or software they have people searching for stolen/pirated stuff. But if you have satisfied customers, pay your fees, and play it smart you can get away with it for a little bit. Sure *bay may remove your listing, but you can relist it after a bit or under different name.

    I used to sell "digital porn pictures". Between $1-$5 per listing. Made easily $300 a month with multiple listings and different accounts.

    I never said in the description I send it in through e-mail. In the category section where you can choose solo, amateur, etc. I would type .zip. That way even though I don't type it in the listing I send through e-mail, the customers still see how they can get it. You can also write in a note after they make payment they receive it through e-mail.

    Just be careful and look up on certain laws when sending porn through the mail, especially USPS.

    You can make cash digitally, as long as you do it smart and quick.

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    I did this for a long time, bringing in on average 4 - 6 k a month. That being said, you will need to get new ebay accounts every 3-6 months. PLUS remember paypal reports all profits over 20k to the IRS starting THIS year!

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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    i cant even find porn when suching on bay. how do you surch?

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    no it's not safe:

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    SAN DIEGO, Calif.—Liberty Media Holdings LLC, parent company of gay adult studio Corbin Fisher, has received a second judgment against a defendant in a massive federal copyright-infringement lawsuit the company filed in December.
    In an unopposed default judgment, the court ordered Pittsburgh resident Eric Brown to pay LMH $1.75 million in punitive damages for his part in what LMH has characterized as a DVD piracy conspiracy perpetrated through auction site eBay. The judgment, which held Brown liable for 70 counts of willful infringement, also included a permanent injunction against future content theft.
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    google 'corbin fisher lawsuit ebay' and goto top link for full story


    this guy was small time, and this was gay porn. I mean, it's like any other kind of replica you better have damn good cover. the only thing on your side is egay's/porn studios apparent lack of vero use. They could go after you at any minute and crush your life in a blink of an eye.

    it's one thing to be taken to court and having it on your record you were a bootlegger of some sort, it's another to be a bootlegger of PORN. maybe the studios are sitting on their ass about this because it's small cheese for them at the moment, but I bet if there is enough people doing it someone is going to be made an example of.

    seems easy enough to start, just remember to be completely stealth about it.

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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    Quote Originally Posted by vandoom View Post
    no it's not safe:

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    SAN DIEGO, Calif.—Liberty Media Holdings LLC, parent company of gay adult studio Corbin Fisher, has received a second judgment against a defendant in a massive federal copyright-infringement lawsuit the company filed in December.
    In an unopposed default judgment, the court ordered Pittsburgh resident Eric Brown to pay LMH $1.75 million in punitive damages for his part in what LMH has characterized as a DVD piracy conspiracy perpetrated through auction site eBay. The judgment, which held Brown liable for 70 counts of willful infringement, also included a permanent injunction against future content theft.
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    google 'corbin fisher lawsuit ebay' and goto top link for full story


    this guy was small time, and this was gay porn. I mean, it's like any other kind of replica you better have damn good cover. the only thing on your side is egay's/porn studios apparent lack of vero use. They could go after you at any minute and crush your life in a blink of an eye.

    it's one thing to be taken to court and having it on your record you were a bootlegger of some sort, it's another to be a bootlegger of PORN. maybe the studios are sitting on their ass about this because it's small cheese for them at the moment, but I bet if there is enough people doing it someone is going to be made an example of.

    seems easy enough to start, just remember to be completely stealth about it.
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    yeah if you're going to do it be smart about it and get a stealth account. I'm pretty sure the guy that got caught in the article probably used his own ebay account..not saying you can't get caught with a stealth account because it is possible but probably not as likely unless you're selling some kind of rosetta stone bootleg.

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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    You guys can make stleath Ebay and paypal accounts to start, if you guys need full Porn movies PM me I know where to download them, and you guys can burn them, lets the Operations start, LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeScreen View Post
    I did this for a long time, bringing in on average 4 - 6 k a month. That being said, you will need to get new ebay accounts every 3-6 months. PLUS remember paypal reports all profits over 20k to the IRS starting THIS year!
    It's Actually 10k (although it was reported to be 20k, it's actually 10k), and it started in 2011. Also, after your 199th item.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eBayMafia View Post
    It's Actually 10k (although it was reported to be 20k, it's actually 10k), and it started in 2011. Also, after your 199th item.
    Actually it is 20k per the IRS (irs.gov/instructions/i1099k/ar02.html):

    Exception for de minimis payments. A third party settlement organization is required to report any information concerning third party network transactions of any participating payee only if for the calendar year:

    * The gross amount of total reportable payment transactions exceeds $20,000, and
    * The total number of such transactions exceeds 200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeScreen View Post
    Actually it is 20k per the IRS (irs.gov/instructions/i1099k/ar02.html):

    Exception for de minimis payments. A third party settlement organization is required to report any information concerning third party network transactions of any participating payee only if for the calendar year:

    * The gross amount of total reportable payment transactions exceeds $20,000, and
    * The total number of such transactions exceeds 200.
    You are talking about the IRS, I am talking about PayPal.
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    Default Re: eBay + Bootleg Porn = legal-proof business???

    i got my account banned selling these about 5 years back if not longer, i didn't realise people were getting away with it!


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