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    Hi there

    Just wondered whether anyone else is using Amazon to dropship items they sold on Ebay?

    I started doing this in January, I signed up to Amazon.co.uk's Prime service which gave me unlimited 1 day shipping. Ignoring their terms for the service I decided to start selling a bunch of stuff on Ebay that was for sale on Amazon, then when I sold something on Ebay, I simply ticked the box on the Amazon order page that said 'Don't print prices on packing slips regardless of what I enter above', I then entered the customers address.

    Eveything was going very well to start with, I was sending books, dvd's, electronics, etc via one day delivery, and the customers were thrilled to get a cheap book next day delivery. Any negative feedback was minimal, and purely from people who realised what I was doing, more fool them!. I had about 25k GBP going through my account every month

    After a while I started experiencing some problems as Paypal were becoming increasingly slow to transfer my funds, as i'm guessing they were scrutinizing what I was doing, and thus I became late with orders due to not having large amounts of reserve funds to honour orders. Also sometimes I would sell an item on Ebay, go back to Amazon to buy and realise the price had gone up, so I had to either take a hit or refund and say it went out of stock, risking negative feedback.

    I found a helpful tool called 'camelcamelcamel' that latched onto the Amazon site,and informed me when the price of an item went down on Amazon. It would have been more helpful for it to tell me when the price goes up, and I was liaising with the developer with a view to adding that functionality.

    Eventually they limited my account and asked for supplier information blah blah blah. That was the nail in the coffin as I borrowed some money from the customers to fund a short term investment knowing that I could just fill in the hole with new customers!. But when they limited me, I couldn't withdraw funds. So I ended up a few hundred pounds in debt with Paypal. I also received an email from Amazon reminding me that Amazon Prime was purely for non commercial purposes

    So now i'm going to open some fake ebay and pp accounts and start doing this again. This time I will avoid making the same mistakes again, by having a reserve fund of cash in case Paypal are slow to transfer. I'm going to streamline by putting more info on the listings so I don't end up answering inane questions all day long. Also I will use the non-prime shipping service most of the time, thus staying under the Amazon radar.

    Anybody been doing this?, I know there are large businesses on Ebay doing the exact same thing, I would like to know how others are operating.

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    How are you going to open fake ebay and paypal account? dont they latch on to stuff like that. PM me your ideas and ill try to help you.
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    No its pretty easy once you know how to open fake ebay and PP accounts. I'm hoping to open around 10 Ebay accounts so if Paypal limit me again I can switch over to another straight away

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    Wouldn't actually be easier to create fake amazon accounts and distribute your shipping across a few prime accounts? I know they used to offer prime trials.

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    Sasha-bg

    I have heard this before but never tried it. What type of products are you having success with now?

    I though people on eBay are looking for bargains and Amazon is not always cheap. So how are you picking your products for eBay listing?

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts/ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayplease View Post
    Wouldn't actually be easier to create fake amazon accounts and distribute your shipping across a few prime accounts? I know they used to offer prime trials.
    Very good point, didn't think of that. Whilst I was using the one day service, my positive feedback was glowing due to speed of delivery and also packaging(thanks amazon!). If I could keep that going, would be huge bonus. I mean even if I had one Amazon account and they suspended me or whatever, i'm guessing opening another account wouldn't be so hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack View Post
    Sasha-bg

    I have heard this before but never tried it. What type of products are you having success with now?

    I though people on eBay are looking for bargains and Amazon is not always cheap. So how are you picking your products for eBay listing?

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts/ideas.
    Well the point is that people sometimes assume that Ebay is cheapest for everything always, when obviously it's not. Even if they do a quick google search, alot of the time Amazon's results won't appear.

    I mean you can just go through the Amazon site and find pretty much anything, then go to Ebay see what it sells for and try your luck. The most steady things are the cheap books and dvd's because the price doesn't fluctuate that much, these have the lowest margins. But if you have a huge inventory you can make it work. Or you can sell electronics, homeware, toys etc, where there are bigger margins, but the price can change quickly as I said, and you can be out of pocket or have to send an apologetic letter to the buyer saying you're out of stock.

    There are websites in the UK like offeroftheday.co.uk which show daily offers
    from all the major retailers, you can narrow it down to Amazon and just start from there.

    If you manage to keep Amazon prime going then that'll be huge bonus, who's gonna complain if they receive a book in an Amazon box, but they ordered it at 6pm the previous day?!

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    thanks. what part of UK are you from? I am from UK too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack View Post
    thanks. what part of UK are you from? I am from UK too.
    Well i'm from the UK, but living overseas now.

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    So were you declaring your items as gifts? Cause it would be pretty easy for them to detect if all your bought items are not really shipping to you lol

    imo if you have multiple amazon accounts, it might help to "cool off" once in a while so they don't get that suspcious

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    Someone did this to me, I bought a 1 TB HD off ebay (Hitachi) and then got it delivered from Amazon. I said to the guy who I got it off fairplay, after all if I hadn't been lazy I could have found out it was selling for 10 less on Amazon, but because I couldnt be bothered that guy pocketed the difference.

    Nothing wrong with that IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack View Post
    Sasha-bg

    I have heard this before but never tried it. What type of products are you having success with now?

    I though people on eBay are looking for bargains and Amazon is not always cheap. So how are you picking your products for eBay listing?

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts/ideas.
    This. I can't imagine there would be many items on Amazon cheaper than they are on ebay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talsin View Post
    Someone did this to me, I bought a 1 TB HD off ebay (Hitachi) and then got it delivered from Amazon. I said to the guy who I got it off fairplay, after all if I hadn't been lazy I could have found out it was selling for 10 less on Amazon, but because I couldnt be bothered that guy pocketed the difference.

    Nothing wrong with that IMO.
    Yeah who would actually have the gall to complain about this? For all they know the seller is using ebay as an extension of their online business, using Amazon to ship inventory. More outlets = more customers. But people leave negative feedback over this stuff? Baffles me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vovvnesk View Post
    So were you declaring your items as gifts? Cause it would be pretty easy for them to detect if all your bought items are not really shipping to you lol

    imo if you have multiple amazon accounts, it might help to "cool off" once in a while so they don't get that suspcious
    Yes, sending as gift, forgot to mention that

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    Quote Originally Posted by xl_The_Jackal_lx View Post
    This. I can't imagine there would be many items on Amazon cheaper than they are on ebay.
    Most items are cheaper at Amazon than Ebay, and maybe some items selling on Amazon aren't on Ebay at all.

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    sasha-bg, do you just offer on ebay for a fixed prize you determine or do you let others bid and hope the amazon prize or more is the final offer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasha-bg View Post
    Most items are cheaper at Amazon than Ebay, and maybe some items selling on Amazon aren't on Ebay at all.

    I was thinking of doing this a few years back and did a couple of trials but the packaging was clearly from Amazon when I tested it out. Is this why you were receiving negative feedback Sasha?

    I also used some Channel Island suppliers to sell dvds but they used to take several days to arrive. In the end, I used to order several dvd's at a time, upfront and got them delivered to my home address instead (as delivery was free). I simply removed the invoice and added a new label and voila, item ready to post! Slightly riskier method but I used to auction my items one at a time and then use second chance offers for any overstock.

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    I do everything with Buy It Now and sometimes best offer too, you could use an auction format though. Alot of my time was spend reducing my items in price by 1p or 2p because there are other people doing the same. At some point of the day you're selling loads of one item, then it suddenly stops because someone has undercut you, then you have to go back into your listings an undercut them again by 1p usually. It's nice to find a niche product that no-one else is selling. One time Amazon did a big price cut on a popular printer, which was much more expensive elsewhere. As soon as I saw the price cut I listed with a best offer option, sold three and made about 200 profit on those three sales.

    I'm fairly new to selling on Ebay, so there's alot I didn't know. Next time I will be making my listings more attractive, opening a shop, I will probably outsource my price alterations to someone trustworthy as this takes up loads of valuable time, and just be a lot more organised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topsytips View Post
    I was thinking of doing this a few years back and did a couple of trials but the packaging was clearly from Amazon when I tested it out. Is this why you were receiving negative feedback Sasha?

    I also used some Channel Island suppliers to sell dvds but they used to take several days to arrive. In the end, I used to order several dvd's at a time, upfront and got them delivered to my home address instead (as delivery was free). I simply removed the invoice and added a new label and voila, item ready to post! Slightly riskier method but I used to auction my items one at a time and then use second chance offers for any overstock.
    I think alot of people either don't think anything of receiving in Amazon box, or they assume that you are reusing packaging. I mean my feedback was about 99.6%, if I got a negative feedback then it was a dip in the ocean compared to the positive, because I was selling a lot of stuff.

    I thought about getting the items delivered to me first, but then the cost of reposting will cancel any profits.

    I haven't used auctions and second chance offer much, the thing is if you're offering an auction, then chances are by the time its sold the item will have gone up in price on Amazon

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    That does not sound illegal.

    I currently have an amazon and ebay account, the ebay-account has the same name as my company.

    What would be the worst thing that could happen if I just started to sell via those two accounts? If that's a bad idea, how do I create fake accounts on both.

    I think the idea of letting it deliver to me to resend it to the ebay buyer is the best one, to make sure there is no amazon elements on it.

    Additionally, what is going to happen if a product has issues? Will the people send it to me for me to complain to amazon?
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    Fake accounts can be easily opened.

    With regard to any complaints ie. faulty good, all you need to do is go into your Amazon account and email them a return shipping label, they sent it back to Amazon, Amazon credit you.

    Getting Amazon to send it to you before you posting it on might work with higher priced items, but for cheaper, more competitive items where the margins are smaller, then it wont work because of postage.

    I'm perfectly happen to have 1 person in 150 giving me neg, I say in my terms that items that are not in stock will be fulfilled by some select suppliers. If you bought a book at one shop, then you went to another shop and it was 50p cheaper, would you kick up a fuss?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasha-bg View Post
    Fake accounts can be easily opened.
    Yeah, but do I need to do that? It is not illegal as it seems, it is just using it in a way ebay and amazon have not thought about, yet.

    Oh and: What is a lower priced item, which price are you referring to?
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    No there are forums dedicated to the fake ebay and pp account, all 100% legal I believe.

    When I refer to cheap items, I mostly mean CD/DVD/BOOKS

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    Hi Saha

    How much does it cost ebay fees including insertion and final sale all together?. And how do you find best items to list on ebay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raotnv View Post
    Hi Saha

    How much does it cost ebay fees including insertion and final sale all together?. And how do you find best items to list on ebay?
    Depends what you're selling, DVD's i think cost 20p to list, books 40p, and the FSV depends on what you're selling of course. You can find it all out on Ebay.

    Well for a start you can look on Amazon and their best-selling products and go from there.

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    Reading thru this thread, there is one point I totally agree.

    Ppl on eBay are looking for bargains true. But not all prices on eBay are the cheapest.

    U even meet buyers who go crazy over a bidding war and overbid ur product, only to write in to say sorry and cancel the sales. Happens to me.

    But if u do it right, u will end up selling an item that is higher than market price in ur location as there are buyers whose local pricing are higher than urs, ie arbitrage.
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    Well... Ebay charges to list the item, then they take anywhere from 9-15% when you sell, then paypal takes their cut... How can you get around wasting your time selling just to pay fees to feebay and paypal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daynejones View Post
    Well... Ebay charges to list the item, then they take anywhere from 9-15% when you sell, then paypal takes their cut... How can you get around wasting your time selling just to pay fees to feebay and paypal?
    It can be done. The hardest part can be finding something that has a decent margin. As for the fees, I just use an ebay fee calculator (search for it) to determine whether or not a product is even worth listing.

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    i would be scared to death of amazons fees changing. one day i will go on there for something that is 11.00 and a week later its 16.00 thats a 30%+ increase!!

    i buy A LOT off amazon. a lot of times you can get the same price or less than an ebay auction, but you get it mailed NOW rather than waiting to see if you won!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greentitanium View Post
    i would be scared to death of amazons fees changing. one day i will go on there for something that is 11.00 and a week later its 16.00 thats a 30%+ increase!!

    i buy A LOT off amazon. a lot of times you can get the same price or less than an ebay auction, but you get it mailed NOW rather than waiting to see if you won!
    It's not that scary, sometimes you actually don't make profit rather than make a big loss. Again it depends on what you are selling

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    Sasha:
    you referred to sites discussing fake PP and eBay accounts; can you let us know the name/s of these sites?

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    found out on this system recently as I received an ebay order from amazon..
    Guy was 25K feedback and a shitload of negs about 5%
    still an interesting system

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    By the time ebay and paypal rape you with there fees there is absolutely no profit margin with this. You will probably even lose money.

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    I'm hoping to private message sasha bg but I'm a new member

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    I've been doing this for about a month now, I have a spreadsheet for recording sales & profits and working out end profits for amazon > ebay sales, I have a page with all the sales figures, fees etc and it works like a charm, between about 16 listings (books, cds & dvds), profit-wise i've made around 150 this month (9 days), not bad for only having a handful of listings, i have my listings priced to make 2 profit per sale (after ebay & paypal fees).

    I have a full time job to work around, supposing i never and had more time to work on it, i'd probably be making more profit, than i earn in wages just now, I know Christmas is approaching and sales will likely drop once its past

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    I actually signed up for a course that taught to do this. It works but Amazon prices increase have become too often causing loses to some transactions. Also it is not quite suitable for new eBay sellers as eBay set selling limit on new account.


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