First off im pretty much a cloaking nub, but this is crazy.

Check this out.. if you google the product 'fap turbo' you will get
the screen below. www.fapturbolive.com is redirecting to the merchant page somehow. The site has no backlinks at all and is still ranked #2. kellyservice.com is #3 and has nothing on the page.

Can someone please tell me how this was done? Thanks ahead!

No links, are you sure?
http://www.google.com/search?q=link%...pturbolive.com

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...2F&btnG=Search

both of them have backlinks..

It has got 1 inlink:

Code:

https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fapturbolive.com&fr=sfp&bwm=i

Check out the meta keywords / description. Maybe the framed page is ok and the original page is being penalized for having too many words / too many repeat words / too long description

Originally Posted by Tcm9669

No links, are you sure?
http://www.google.com/search?q=link%...pturbolive.com

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...2F&btnG=Search

both of them have backlinks..

That is picking up the backlinks for fapturbo.com rather than fapturbolive.com because of the iframe

Originally Posted by gimme4free

That is picking up the backlinks for fapturbo.com rather than fapturbolive.com because of the iframe

so then that means that if you add an iframe of another site with loads of backlinks thats related to your site then you will get a high position???? or not

if so then thats one mega huge loophole that can easily be exploited

lol thats what i was thinking! can anyone else explain? does google read the iframed sites backlinks or is it being cloaked somehow?

btw thanks for the time guys

Would love more insight on this, to the uber members.

That was just a guess anyway as the backlinks are exactly the same. No idea why its doing this. Im gonna iFrame Google.com on a site I dont use and see what happens lol.

Weird, it's an iframe of a clickbank page. Which is the affiliate page. Fapturbolive.com also has the same page rank as fapturbo.com

But honestly this is all feasible. PR 2 pages without any backlinks is possible, and it's possible to show up #2 for that search because of the very low competition.

But if this does work... could you use it for cloaking? Looks like what he did was change the meta data and iframe the website. Could it be possible to do beat your competition by doing some creative cloaking? Assuming this works...

It's not just an iFrame, check the cache also.

The cache is empty when I view it

Can anyone explain how this was done? Sweetfunny? Anyone?

Originally Posted by gimme4free

The cache is empty when I view it

Strange, check again using this link:

Code:

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp://www.fapturbolive.com/

That is strange.. seems to be just a frame

Code:

<frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
  <frame src="http://vluv1.fapturbo.hop.clickbank.net" frameborder="0" />
  <frame frameborder="0" noresize />
</frameset>

from source code.

Guys it is purely white hat seo.
His site's title is very long tail keyword phrase which contains all the keywords that people search for related to forex like forex, trading, automated, robot, money.

ummm no im pretty damn sure its blackhat gucci.

It is possible that it could be a white hat SEO, because this domain is created in 1995 and is full of keywords. So after doing SEO for 13 years it is very much possible that it ranks good.
You can have a more info on this domain HERE.

The domain fapturbolive.com is a redirect or fapturbo.com. I understand that the domain can be old and all that.. but doesnt explain how he was able to use a redirect and get the #2 ranking within days

Results from domainpagerank:
Google PageRank for fapturbolive.com2 Pagerank
PageRank history for fapturbolive.com

PageRank validation for fapturbolive.com

http://www.fapturbolive.com: 302
http://fapturbolive.com: 302 This site's PageRank may be fake

Nice discussion

All I can say is age and PR plays a huge rule here, and Google trusts the site... maybe the domain was incubated weeks/months back, maybe he studied the backlinks for the original site and executed link exchange, or maybe it's owned by the owner of the original site. All I know is this took time to build up... and won't last for more than a month.

Originally Posted by gimme4free

That is picking up the backlinks for fapturbo.com rather than fapturbolive.com because of the iframe

That young man knows what he are talkin about!

great! if somebody crack this, then it will be a great case study. a google loophole.hmmmmmmmm sounds inviting isn't it?

Imma looking at a site now with 6-10 iframe windows all from great sites with great searches LOL