What's the most powerful cloaker out there? Fantomas? Blog Cloaker?...

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Well, I'm not sure... I haven't tried either of those but i'd like to know as well!! Someone please respond!!

Fantomas in my opinion is the best out there but it,s very expensive.

Fantomas...hands down...but you better know your shit to operate it..

fanto if you want a premade solution, otherwise make your own (i have)

Thanks guys. What about BLog Cloaker?

Why is Fantomas the best? I new to this so I don't know much about cloaking.

Originally Posted by trophaeum

fanto if you want a premade solution, otherwise make your own (i have)

How long and how much did it take for your custom one? What are the advantages of a custom one?

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Thanks guys. What about BLog Cloaker?
Why is Fantomas the best? I new to this so I don't know much about cloaking.

No offence...but if you actually go to both sites that sell the software..you will see for yourself why they are different and why they differ in price....
You will also see why fantomas is the best commercial software for cloaking..no other commercial product matches its capabilities/claims. Email ralph with any questions..the guy is a flipping genius...

From what I cant see...

Blog Cloaker does content pretty good??? Cloaking wise I got no idea

Fantomas has great cloaking (dunno why) but I'm not sure how content works...

All the other cloakers are not really automated and also IP lists are bad

Can someone explain why Fantomas is the best?!

Also what package do I buy for Fantomas? Theres like 6 different things to buy... wtf?

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just checked the price on Fantomas.. Thats Expensive

I use SSEC (2 years old but its amazing). Check out Blog Cloaker if you want to cloak WP blogs, or CSB if you want to cloak sites. All are from the same company, and I personally think that they are better than fantomas

Fantomas has great cloaking

their ip list is the key..or..one of them..


but I'm not sure how content works...

scrapes the net for top ranking sites for each keyword/page.
Then markov?/mashes the text = "original" content for the spiders.
You can also set up key word weight, ie, number of times a keyword appears on a page, ie 4 versions of one page/topic..with different keyword numbers..


All the other cloakers are not really automated and also IP lists are bad

wp cloaker has a good ip list and you can also use fantomas ip if you purchase it .

Can someone explain why Fantomas is the best?!

Read what they claim it does..and it does do it...
But...if you are a newbie...do not touch it with a stick..

Also what package do I buy for Fantomas?

fantomas shadowMaker™ or fantomas Super Suite™ or fantomas Webmaster Suite


Theres like 6 different things to buy... wtf?

Mate..if you knew what you were after...and actually took the time to read the product page..you would not be saying that..
Its 50% off all products for a few more days..

Thanks yowies. Thanked and repped

Also what package do I buy for Fantomas?

fantomas shadowMaker™ or fantomas Super Suite™ or fantomas Webmaster Suite


Theres like 6 different things to buy... wtf?

Mate..if you knew what you were after...and actually took the time to read the product page..you would not be saying that..
Its 50% off all products for a few more days..

I just want the package with everything in it to start cloaking. Is "fantomas shadowMaker" is the package I should buy?

Also since I'm pretty code retarded (don't even know HTML), how can I learn to use this?

I tried using Blog cloaker for a couple of months you have to run it on a VPS server and you will probably have to pay sombody to install in on the server as its tough to do. Using that and the link exchange i had great results in a few clickbank products for .......8 days untill the big G banned all my sites.

Originally Posted by mskerry

I tried using Blog cloaker for a couple of months you have to run it on a VPS server and you will probably have to pay sombody to install in on the server as its tough to do. Using that and the link exchange i had great results in a few clickbank products for .......8 days untill the big G banned all my sites.

If you had great results couldn't you just start all over again with fresh domains?

Isn't getting banned normal?

Originally Posted by yao1994

Isn't getting banned normal?

Not necessarily.

As with all automated scripts you have to use it wisely.

I.e. let the site-grow look natural and don´t put up 1000s of pages all at once.

Don´t put all your cloaked blogs on the same IP.
I prefer to spread and "hide" my blogs on shared hostings were they will blend in with 100s of other sites.

No probs yao19994..pm sent to you..

Monsterclicks, is also a kick ass cloaker, and they're service is by far the best

Ralph/Dirk/Fantomas know how SEO works in the real world. Everything else is child's play.

Can I hear some success stories with fantomaster???

Everything I'm gathering about what it does leads me to believe it is ridiculously powerful... But would love a PM with some sort of success story so I feel comfortable investing the $3k

Just use the old fashion PHP directs. It's a pain but it's reliable..

Originally Posted by bobvance2006

Can I hear some success stories with fantomaster???

Everything I'm gathering about what it does leads me to believe it is ridiculously powerful... But would love a PM with some sort of success story so I feel comfortable investing the $3k

You will be lucky to find stories here. Understand these two particular products being talked about are meant for two different markets.

fanto is really geared towards commerical owners. Companies that need/want a cloaking solution for their promotion. The way it handles content is pretty advanced, and ensures there are no messups with copyright infringement. As you know, companies are sensative to that. They can easily to targeted for a lawsuit, esp when they have a lot of assets to potentially lose. They rely entirely on IP cloaking, and update their db regularly, which btw, you will pay for annually as well if you want those updates. Yes you are looking at $3k to start. For a company though, this is a perfectly reasonable licensing fee. Heck its cheap.

There is development of new advanced features currently, but they are not the types to release even month. It can be a year till that next release comes out. The current system is pretty stable. With that price you do get top notch support and they will setup everything for you.

SSES (simplified search engine suite) on the other hand, is geared towards the affiliate marketer. The way content is handled is less advanced, it's more of just straight scraping of pages with no conditions regards copyrights. It uses a combination of factors to cloak, but it depends on what exactly you use that will determine the extent of it's cloak capabilities. Generally, it users a bot list, and reverse dns to help detect bots and add them to the db as they are detected. Price is a monthly subscription model that makes it affordable for anybody to start, and I do mean anybody. So you get tinkerers who signup for a month or two then drop out. Depends what type of cloak system you want to use you will pay for. Options include the Classic SSEC, Cloak Site Builder, Blog Cloaker, and part of the suite is also their Link Exchange program. So you have a sort of a la cart of paying for what you want to use.

Many bug fixes will come out through the year. Occasionally there are releases with new features also. They are rather active in trying to incorporate new features. Support is weak in comparison. You are on your own for install and setup, and unless you are a seasoned server admin and familiar with this program, you are liking going to end up paying someone to get it setup for you. The makers support via a private community forum, but official support from the app makers can be slow at times. They are affiliate marketers themselves, so they got other things going on.

Not sure if this helps in your decision. Perhaps if you can tell more about what you want to accomplish, it would help.

I don't know how many people who said fanto have ever actually used it. It is certainly the oldest one. I sometimes get the impression because of it's hefty price tag people assume its the best. As i have explained, it is just really marketed towards a different market. If you are in that market, then its a good fit.

Another that I didn't talk about and hasn't really been mentioned here is wordpress cloaker.

I personally have not tried it out. The feature set though looks rather decent. You have full control over your content via your wordpress blog. If you are looking for something that just works without being an entire system, that might be something to consider.

What about wp link engine? It was highly recommended in the autoblog blueprint by Mike Johnson

And there's WPCloaker to make it even more confusing:

Code:

http://wpcloaker.com/

I use Fantomas Shadowmaker on hundreds of domains out there but about a year ago I added WPCloaker to my toolkit.

Besides the many ways of handling your traffic a great feature is that it comes with a script to connect to my Fantomas Spiderbase.

What about wp link engine? It was highly recommended in the autoblog blueprint by Mike Johnson



Thats just a link cloaker..we are chatting about cloaking content..

For simple link cloaking, I'm having a good time with Eclipse Link Cloaker on my WP based sites.

Again
Thats just a link cloaker..we are chatting about cloaking content..

Originally Posted by blackhit

And there's WPCloaker to make it even more confusing:

Code:

http://wpcloaker.com/

I use Fantomas Shadowmaker on hundreds of domains out there but about a year ago I added WPCloaker to my toolkit.

Besides the many ways of handling your traffic a great feature is that it comes with a script to connect to my Fantomas Spiderbase.

I took a look at WPCloaker and I have to admit, it is MUCH more feature rich than the wordpress cloaker. Wordpress Cloaker looks like they just took the old Search Engine Cloaker and ported it into a WP plugin.

WPCloaker on the other hand looks like they have kept up to date with the various cloaking methods and have incorporated them.

I like the Reverse DNS option. That makes it a lot easier to detect and add them.

Cloaking content? Why would you want to cloak your content? What is fantomas and what does it do in common craft plain English? I did a search for it but couldn't find much info on it.

Originally Posted by vuedoolor

Cloaking content? Why would you want to cloak your content? What is fantomas and what does it do in common craft plain English? I did a search for it but couldn't find much info on it.

Search Engines get relevant super optiimzed content.
Visitors get the page you want to show them for conversion.

That is as common craft plain English as it gets. Otherwise I recommend you take some time to research what cloaking is. Even the sales pages of all the cloakers mentioned here give a step by step about it.

Why would you? Because you get more traffic, and the traffic you get, you can convert better, and thus make more money.

Cloaking content? Why would you want to cloak your content? What is fantomas and what does it do in common craft plain English? I did a search for it but couldn't find much info on it.

Your in a cloaking section of a black hat forum asking why anyone would cloak.?
Google is your friend......
The term "fantomas".
When you are searching for a topic, its often better to associate the word with something like a related term.
"Fantomas" by itself brings up a band etc.
But.."fantomas+cloaking" brings up the results you wanted.

Speaking of cloakers Yowies, you should be up and at 'em by this time tomorrow

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=blog+cloaker

best cloaer dont exist . use phantom . or write yours own

please some .... links
fantomas
Blog Cloaker


In this small thread I even tell lazy people how to find things using google...and you ignored that....
Seriously...if you cannot even find them...then dont bother..

We have launched a "lite version" of our cloaking software as well as out "full strength" version...

I'm sure Yowies will vouch for it

I'm sure Yowies will vouch for it

I certainly can..!!
The best value for $$$ in cloaking for years..
I still think your latest price for the "lite" version is way to cheap..
I never like mentioning your software in here MDSOperandi because from my perspective..I dont want competitors using it..

Wordpress Link Cloak Plugin works very well for me.

Wordpress Link Cloak Plugin works very well for me.

Okay..but this thread is about content/site cloaking..

great information in this thread....learned alot from the wpcloaker site I guess it took me to one of their redirect sites.

yes great thread, thanks for the insights all, about to get one of these products.

I think one of the best and inexpensive options is SEC (Search Engine Cloaker) which now is only available with a suscrption at cloaker live

Fantomas.