I have been trying to be successful in clickbank. Sharecash and those kind of things. For 8 months now and i have not been successful and i really try to do things on clickbank. I am wasting my hardwork in the wrong techniques. This is really stressing but i still continue. Tomorrow i will be 18 and still have not made anything. I want a technique to start making money online period. I do not care the kind of program i have to use. Click bank, sharecash,blogging etc. I have no credit card and i have saved my school lunch money to about 60 bucks . I have reduced lunch which is 40cents. I saved up to 60 bucks and i do not have a id to buy a credit card. Someone please help me out i am just investing my hardwork into something. I want a clear and nice method. You will not regret it because i will not abandon it. I am not the begging type but please help me!

Originally Posted by rockme12

I have been trying to be successful in clickbank. Sharecash and those kind of things. For 8 months now and i have not been successful and i really try to do things on clickbank. I am wasting my hardwork in the wrong techniques. This is really stressing but i still continue. Tomorrow i will be 18 and still have not made anything. I want a technique to start making money online period. I do not care the kind of program i have to use. Click bank, sharecash,blogging etc. I have no credit card and i have saved my school lunch money to about 60 bucks . I have reduced lunch which is 40cents. I saved up to 60 bucks and i do not have a id to buy a credit card. Someone please help me out i am just investing my hardwork into something. I want a clear and nice method. You will not regret it because i will not abandon it. I am not the begging type but please help me!

Well since you mentioned sharecash why dont you use torrents with sharecash it is a very simple method and can make a pretty good amount of money if you know what your doing. There are a few topics floating around the forum on how to do this. Just do a search on the forums here.

You're still young man. When I was your age and tried IM, I failed, failed and failed again. I started with a lot of the same networks as you, like ShareCash and ClickBank. I never had success with ClickBank, but it was always easy for me to make money with ShareCash.

Along the way, you fail, but you learn. You will become wiser and better until eventually you are making thousands a month. No one started and found success right away with IM. I can tell that one day you will succeed, because you want it so bad. You are persistent and saving your lunch money to invest into IM endeavors, not giving up and working hard despite constant failure are all things 98% of people who attempt to get into this business do not do. Bravo...

PM me and I'll message you a simple method to making some money. It's not going to make you rich by any means, but it's a good start and it's simple. Should get you to about 100$ a week give or take.

Originally Posted by Brainstorming

PM me and I'll message you a simple method to making some money. It's not going to make you rich by any means, but it's a good start and it's simple. Should get you to about 100$ a week give or take.

Brainstorming, i would PM you too but cant until i get 15 Posts.
Would you be kind enough to PM some details about your method?

Thanks buddy

Originally Posted by Desertfox

Brainstorming, i would PM you too but cant until i get 15 Posts.
Would you be kind enough to PM some details about your method?

Thanks buddy

I'm too busy now. Once you get to 15 posts (won't take long) remind me and I will have probably typed it up for the OP by then.

The problem is you desperately want to make money. People who succeed aren't desperate to make money and feeling like there's something lacking in their life. You say you'll do "anything" to make money.

People who are successful, regardless of age all decided that they wanted to take control of their life and start going in the direction of their choosing. It's not about the money. Successful people didn't say "I so badly want a fast car, i'll do anything for it!!" Then work their asses off for a car.

Everyone I've ever seen that just wants money and 'stuff' never succeeds.


Your best bet is to stop messing about with silly sharecash projects and little clickbank sites. Find a niche that you like and build an authority site around it. A proper business. Write 5000 words a day of content for your authority site and keep building it, adding content, building a community and getting quality backlinks. Guest blog, social bookmark and make contacts with other webmasters in similar niches.

If you want to succeed you have to cultivate a different attitude towards life and business and learn to do actual business, not just "anything to make money".
After 3 months if you've worked 25 days out of each month you'll have around 375 1000 word articles which is a good amount of content for a medium sized authority site.

Even if you've not made a huge amount of money you'll have learned a lot about SEO, building a community, making business contacts and just running an online business in general. If you follow that plan you'll end up with some serious knowledge and can keep on building your site up using that knowledge or re-focus on a new project with your new knowledge.

Originally Posted by Brainstorming

I'm too busy now. Once you get to 15 posts (won't take long) remind me and I will have probably typed it up for the OP by then.

Will do. Thanks for reply.

Originally Posted by BlueTurtle

The problem is you desperately want to make money. People who succeed aren't desperate to make money and feeling like there's something lacking in their life. You say you'll do "anything" to make money.

People who are successful, regardless of age all decided that they wanted to take control of their life and start going in the direction of their choosing. It's not about the money. Successful people didn't say "I so badly want a fast car, i'll do anything for it!!" Then work their asses off for a car.

Everyone I've ever seen that just wants money and 'stuff' never succeeds.


Your best bet is to stop messing about with silly sharecash projects and little clickbank sites. Find a niche that you like and build an authority site around it. A proper business. Write 5000 words a day of content for your authority site and keep building it, adding content, building a community and getting quality backlinks. Guest blog, social bookmark and make contacts with other webmasters in similar niches.

If you want to succeed you have to cultivate a different attitude towards life and business and learn to do actual business, not just "anything to make money".
After 3 months if you've worked 25 days out of each month you'll have around 375 1000 word articles which is a good amount of content for a medium sized authority site.

Even if you've not made a huge amount of money you'll have learned a lot about SEO, building a community, making business contacts and just running an online business in general. If you follow that plan you'll end up with some serious knowledge and can keep on building your site up using that knowledge or re-focus on a new project with your new knowledge.

Not a bad idea, I think I might do this for fun.

Originally Posted by Dan Da Man

Not a bad idea, I think I might do this for fun.

Creating an authority site is a far better endeavor than a bunch of micro niche sites or the usual 1 page sites people create. 1 page sites teach you nothing.

Building a massive authority site that targets 1000's of keywords with 1000's of articles teaches you how to run a proper online business whether you make money or not. It's also more fun since you're creating something of value that belongs to you. It's not just a little page to make some quick cash. It's your creation, your business.

Originally Posted by BlueTurtle

Creating an authority site is a far better endeavor than a bunch of micro niche sites or the usual 1 page sites people create. 1 page sites teach you nothing.

Building a massive authority site that targets 1000's of keywords with 1000's of articles teaches you how to run a proper online business whether you make money or not. It's also more fun since you're creating something of value that belongs to you. It's not just a little page to make some quick cash. It's your creation, your business.

Yeah for something like that, you need to truly enjoy the niche you chose. I know that it is very hard to keep at something when you have nothing in common with what you are selling.

The only thing is, building an authority site is probably more of a white hat thing. I have no idea what that is all about haha

Originally Posted by Dan Da Man

Yeah for something like that, you need to truly enjoy the niche you chose. I know that it is very hard to keep at something when you have nothing in common with what you are selling.

The only thing is, building an authority site is probably more of a white hat thing. I have no idea what that is all about haha

When you don't have investment and you're going to be writing the articles yourself then yes, it's a requirement that you really enjoy the niche but once you've got $5k to invest in an authority site for articles it's a different story and you can be more flexible with your niche.

'whitehat' just means real business. Engaging your customers, making contacts with other webmasters, making deals, split testing, recording as much data as you can about visitor interaction, writing email copies that sell, newsletters that get your visitors back in etc.

Blackhat tends to be shorter projects and more focused on technical things like using software. As a result when people focus purely on blackhat they don't cultivate their business/marketing skills. How many people here can write a killer sales letter? Or a killer press release? Not many I'd think and yet these are the skills that make the BIG money.

'Whitehat' is just more fun, but in general running a bigger business online is more 'greyhat'. The focus is just on quality, providing a service that people like and making the most revenue from your visitors and long-term exposure. With these things in mind you're free to do what you like within your own ethical boundaries. Some things are a bit blackhat, others not so much. As long as what you're doing doesn't conflict with your main business goals above there then it doesn't really matter whether it's black, grey or white.

Originally Posted by Dazzler

Anyone whose been in this for 8 months and hasn't made at least $1 has the wrong mindset about making money online. I was the same way, I've been in this a lot longer then 8 months and I have very little to show for it financially, but one thing I have improved on is my mindset about this business, and the past few months I've been heading in the right direction. I think BlueTurtle is spot on with what he said.

Thanks. You're also an example of someone who's probably going to do well because even after spending so much time failing you've stuck in there and re-assessed your plan. No one's going to fail forever if they keep at it and really that's the only difference between the successful and the unsuccessful. Persistence.

+1 for getting a job

cruel but true

meanwhile - build your project step by step

Originally Posted by BlueTurtle

Creating an authority site is a far better endeavor than a bunch of micro niche sites or the usual 1 page sites people create. 1 page sites teach you nothing.

Building a massive authority site that targets 1000's of keywords with 1000's of articles teaches you how to run a proper online business whether you make money or not. It's also more fun since you're creating something of value that belongs to you. It's not just a little page to make some quick cash. It's your creation, your business.

I don't agree. With micro niche sites you have a (currently) big bonus - a chance to have a keyword in the domain. You can try and keep some humongous website with constantly adding or hoping to get more and more backlinks and then watch me snatch a niche with a simple 10-page site backed by 3-4 pr5 links.

Another advantage is in the serp domination. You would have to spend a lot of time creating 10 authorities but only a month to make 10 micros occupying the first 10 slots.

Originally Posted by Monrox

I don't agree. With micro niche sites you have a (currently) big bonus - a chance to have a keyword in the domain. You can try and keep some humongous website with constantly adding or hoping to get more and more backlinks and then watch me snatch a niche with a simple 10-page site backed by 3-4 pr5 links.

Another advantage is in the serp domination. You would have to spend a lot of time creating 10 authorities but only a month to make 10 micros occupying the first 10 slots.

Sure, you might be able to take a position for 1 or 2 keywords with an entire domain but an authority site ranks for 1000's of keywords.

It's also hard to outrank authority sites even with emds.

Google this "wow priest guide"
1st: tentonhammer
2nd: wowwiki
3rd: wowwiki
4th: gotwarcraft
5th, 6th, 7th: emds

But even if you do manage to steal a keyword by going to effort of getting an entire domain for 1 main keyword and maybe half a dozen minor keywords the authority site still ranks for 1000+ keywords, 10000+ for the bigger ones and 100000+ for the really big ones

Plus authority sites doing dance once they're established and new pages rank very quickly. You also have regular visitors and especially if you've built a list and send out newsletters etc even if you did get hit by some major update you'll still have your visitors.

A mns is heavily reliant on traffic and dances about more. Plus there's the cost of having a domain per keyword and if you're going to target say 100 keywords in a niche, not only do you have $1000 on domains but you have to have them on separate IPs otherwise google's going to view it as a shady farm since they're in the same niche.

mns's have their place of course. They're good when starting out and to target lower competition keywords but they're not really something that you'd compare to an authority site.

Also, the effect of having keywords in the domain isn't as strong as it once was. Look at the serps for many keywords. There's not that many emds ranking for the more competitive keywords. An emd is just an easy and quick way to target a low competition keyword but all it does is provide relevancy, not trust or any other indicator of quality.

In niches where there's no authority sites you'll find plenty of emds, but where there's authority sites the emds lose their power.

Google "make money online"

Top 3 are authority sites, 4th has makemoneyonline in the subdomain, but the rest are authority sites and there's no emds.

"best car insurance"

top 3 are authority sites, there's a couple of emds lower down.

Originally Posted by BlueTurtle

...
In niches where there's no authority sites you'll find plenty of emds, but where there's authority sites the emds lose their power.
...

So in effect you are either suggesting to:
find a niche without an authority and build an authority although you could do just fine with MNS (because there is no authority)

OR

find a niche with an authority and start building a site to topple that authority?

Please don't involve the domain costs because if someone is not earning at least a $100 per domain / year he might as well drop that domain.

Originally Posted by Monrox

So in effect you are either suggesting to:
find a niche without an authority and build an authority although you could do just fine with MNS (because there is no authority)

OR

find a niche with an authority and start building a site to topple that authority?

Please don't involve the domain costs because if someone is not earning at least a $100 per domain / year he might as well drop that domain.

You're still comparing mns's with authority sites. An authority site targets 1000's of keywords minimum. An authority site should be making upwards of $10k/mo.

A mns targets 1 main keyword with a few smaller keywords it'll get too. If you can make $10k/mo with 1 micro niche site then you must be one rich man and I take my hat off to you.

To answer your question above you would find a niche without an authority site. Let's take warcraft for example. Pretend it has no authority sites.

A mns targets "wow priest guide" and maybe "wow priest build" as a secondary decent keyword. It'll get hits for a few very longtail keywords too.

An authority site would target, all the "wow class guide", "wow class build", all the professions like "wow engineering guide", "wow engineering build". So far that's about 40-50 1000 word articles. Next you'd have talent builds. Raiding guides, items guides, news and opinion about upcoming changes, maybe a forum on there for discussion.

It's a completely different endeavor and essentially a full-time online business. But if you pull it off you'll have traffic coming in from all over the place from wow keywords and when you added new content you would not only rank well quicker, but you'd get your existing traffic to that page from other existing pages.

From there you can have people +1 it, like it, share it on various social media, bookmark it etc. The whole thing starts to expand exponentially if you crack it and suddenly you have a thriving community making you a small fortune.

You can also choose to go after niches that have say 1 existing authority site, or if you're really in it for the long term you'll go after ones with strong or multiple authority sites. Or if you just believe you can topple them with your business plan, and it does come down more to the business plan for an authority site rather than the SEO because people in that niche will start to see your new authority site and if it's not as good as the existing ones they won't bother using your site.

I mention the domain costs because for a newbie they can't just go and splash out $500 on 50 domains and it can take time to get paid. Most people that try mns's also fail and end up making the odd dollar here and there or just don't rank. It's not as easy as just registering an emd and adding a couple of backlinks otherwise we'd all be making at least $2k/mo online with ease.

And of course the main issue with multiple mns in the same niche is you need separate IPs so that's not only additional cost, but hassle to get, especially if you want them on separate class c's. Then what if you want to put analytics on them or use google webmaster. You can't exactly just put them all on the 1 account otherwise you've just told google you're trying to run a little niche farm. It's just a major hassle to do mns's on a large scale.

Here's the method for anyone who was interested:
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ml#post3537690

Originally Posted by BlueTurtle

The problem is you desperately want to make money. People who succeed aren't desperate to make money and feeling like there's something lacking in their life. You say you'll do "anything" to make money.

People who are successful, regardless of age all decided that they wanted to take control of their life and start going in the direction of their choosing. It's not about the money. Successful people didn't say "I so badly want a fast car, i'll do anything for it!!" Then work their asses off for a car.

Everyone I've ever seen that just wants money and 'stuff' never succeeds.


Your best bet is to stop messing about with silly sharecash projects and little clickbank sites. Find a niche that you like and build an authority site around it. A proper business. Write 5000 words a day of content for your authority site and keep building it, adding content, building a community and getting quality backlinks. Guest blog, social bookmark and make contacts with other webmasters in similar niches.

If you want to succeed you have to cultivate a different attitude towards life and business and learn to do actual business, not just "anything to make money".
After 3 months if you've worked 25 days out of each month you'll have around 375 1000 word articles which is a good amount of content for a medium sized authority site.

Even if you've not made a huge amount of money you'll have learned a lot about SEO, building a community, making business contacts and just running an online business in general. If you follow that plan you'll end up with some serious knowledge and can keep on building your site up using that knowledge or re-focus on a new project with your new knowledge.

In theory, that is a great post. It's likely to work. On the other hand, however, having your eggs in one basket and wasting 75 days after getting your forum profiles spammed/xrumered/scrapeboxed to viagara land, you might get Google's algo to slap you hard. 75 days gone and no money, then that person is really in trouble. Unfortunately, recent Panda slaps took out sites just like you were describing, even though it wasn't "supposed to".

I actually think it's time we as a community started thinking big, really big - like taking out Google big. We could split up the stocks 1000 ways and all do our part, and never know. Probably be better than Bing in a month. I'm sick of being pussy footed around by Google when us as a community is bigger than their whole corporation. It's time to start working together on a world changing project.

It's very easy to prevent your forum from being raped by xrumer. It's only badly run forums that get hit from it. If it wasn't possible to run a forum without xrumer ruining it we wouldn't be here discussing this.

What you're saying about relying on Google is one of the major reasons why an authority site is much much better and you're not really putting all your eggs in one basket in a bad way. Technically anyone who only runs 1 business is doing that.

With an authority site you're not just catering for in and out users. You're engaging your users and building a community. First step is newsletters. Get them to sign up for a newsletter or something on your list. That way you can engage them via email weekly or when you make new posts keeping them coming back.

Secondly you have your social media platforms. You'll have a twitter feed to further engage users. A facebook fan page. With a good site your users will be digging/liking/+1'ing/rediting/etc'ing your pages for further exposure.

Even if you lost all Google traffic you'd still have an active community. Look at a site like problogger. Google means nothing to him because he gets all his traffic from repeat visitors, word of mouth, stumble, digg, twitter, fb. Very little of his traffic actually comes from google now.

But, when you do run an authority site you're VERY unlikely to get hit by any google issues. Panda hit article directories and such which were big sites, not authority sites, just big sites but the reason for that is because they're basically just big farms of bad content.

Some legitimate medium sized sites got hit and the ones who didn't engage and build a community suffered, but most of the good sites are back where they should be or will be if they tweak their site and if they do need to tweak their site then there was obviously some problems in the first place.

Compare that to just a micro niche site where you'll not get repeat visitors, it's impossible to build a community, social media won't help you because the stumble/digg people like a certain type of site and micro niche sites certainly don't qualify. Digg people like news stories, stumble people like goofy/funny/useful/fun/interesting type stuff. Geekier stuff.

MNS are still good though for quick money and there's no harm in having a few of them as well as your authority sites, but imo building an authority site is where you want to be heading for more of the stability you would find in a brick and mortar business.

Originally Posted by hustlingrind

In theory, that is a great post. It's likely to work. On the other hand, however, having your eggs in one basket and wasting 75 days*snip*

Let's come back home .and talk with you parent:x.i hope you'll successful!