Here's a recent snap shot of a niche ive been running with adwords and clickbank. averages to about 60% in profit on the clickbank front end.

because i build a list, i later upsell with a $2600 product.

average profit per customer is $3000+++

adwords account bans are a pain. after running so many tests, avoid
certain dubious niches, and work with the ones that adwords is happy with.

How often are you being banned and what are you doing to get back in?

Would like to know what technics did you use to find keyword ok for advertsing on adwords

beacon:

i got many many accounts banned by adwords. almost more then 20.

with the latest slap spree in nov 2011, its now getting harder and harder.

my later adwords account. i had to get a new roaming ip, new computer, new credit card that did not link to my address.

new everything.

it used to be easier. but with google adwords getting smarter these days, i find it necessary.

once they got a rader lock on your browser, time zone, you are going to have to be a completely new person.

Gruzin:

its not the keyword that is the issue.

its the website.

i had 2 websites, one with affiliate links, one without.

the account got banned.

i wrote in to adwords on the contact us page.

few days later, adwords editorial replied, your site ( the one with the affiliate links) is flagged.

I asked any other site, reply was, that is the only one.

that account was basically over.

So.

Start a new site, new adwords account.

this time no affiliate links, all original content.

build a list, affiliate link is secondary. my main focus is original content that
keeps users on my site and happy.

adwords can track how long visitors stay on your site.

moving into 2012, if we're thinking of pushing affiliate links from known affliate networks, need to avoid the usual redirects, and sneaky stuff.

the same effort put into doing all that might as well be focused on giving a good user experience.

we can later on push the affiliate links with an email blast and make back the money.

... and choose the right niche... some niches are just plain dancing with death with adwords, if our idea is to have hands free income with adwords, nothing funky cause the editorial team and bots are going to catch u sooner or later.

Congrats man! I'll get into Adwords sometime but it's not my time for that yet. Also, wtf are you selling that costs $2600 lol

Are you using opt-in on the landing page ? (safe method)

or using direct link which results in ban ?

or using aff link on landing page which is again gives disapproval ? or ban ?

Originally Posted by xxf8xx

Congrats man! I'll get into Adwords sometime but it's not my time for that yet. Also, wtf are you selling that costs $2600 lol

A PDF on how to sell a $2600 PDF to other people.

Originally Posted by uncguy4321

A PDF on how to sell a $2600 PDF to other people.

funny you.

physical items.

im not guru enough to convince people to buy $2600 cds and ebooks.

Originally Posted by synfig

Are you using opt-in on the landing page ? (safe method)

or using direct link which results in ban ?

or using aff link on landing page which is again gives disapproval ? or ban ?

opt in on the landing page... i also made sure my site is thick enough with original content. if visitors opt in and don't stay on your site, im almost 90% sure that site will be disapproved in the weeks ahead once enough data is gathered about visitors behaviour that reached on your site by adwords.

and the opt in, the wording cannot be something that promises crazy stuff.

Dance Like Michael Jackson in 1 Week... that could be flagged as well, then later the acccount banned.

those results are not bad.. however, it seems like either you haven't sold any of that $2600 product or you're selling it using another method since those sales are not reflected in the report...

This means that if you want keep the account live as long as possible you will have to use some advanced psychology tricks in the content for the website.
Something similar to the one the pitch pages use "warm up the customers before they buy" but clearly not that obvious. Something that will indirectly keep the users reading all the stuff you have on your website (like blackhatters reading almost everything on bhw).

Your content should be long, interesting, full of facts and numbers, test results, interviews, longer videos and recommendations to watch those videos, etc. this keeps the visitors interested and they will spend more and more time on your website. I believe google would be more than satisfied.

We are all using a similar certain scheme to promote products which is based on reviews etc. Thinking out of the box will get you bigger conversions and less headaches.

Originally Posted by wolf1880

those results are not bad.. however, it seems like either you haven't sold any of that $2600 product or you're selling it using another method since those sales are not reflected in the report...

He already posted that is the 'front end' results of Clickbank sales and then he builds a list to sell a physical product 'back end' which is not Clickbank related!

Originally Posted by Tuffy

funny you.

physical items.

im not guru enough to convince people to buy $2600 cds and ebooks.

Well considering not a single "guru" makes anywhere close to what they claim and almost none know more than a novice about the stuff they write courses on, I'd say you're more than qualified. Seriously, you've got "gurus" selling info products that can't even break $100 bucks a day in IM.

you are doing really well with it..

Originally Posted by blackhatplanet

im newbie that clickbank job and products and im interested that how u make that good sales by clickbank products ? using with adwords ?

adwords..yes. hv also few other traffic sources that was "forced" to become familiar with after google banned my accounts. but now im back with adwords again. too much quality traffic there to give up on.


get into a niche that allows clickbank to front sell, then find a physical product to dropship...somewhere down the sales funnel...

[QUOTE=Tuffy;3486452]beacon:
Man I got banned from adwords because they said my Domain was PARKED and I know what a parked domain name is and that's not what I had.

I have a website with a few million members and they totally screwed me over.

I deleted the acct and then called them to say hey, no acct no problem right..WRONG they banned me forever because they said I should have corrected the problem before deleting the acct,

Keep in mind I never had a problem, their Google Bot had a problem saying that my domain name was parked.

I'd have to be another person or jump through hoops to get another acct with those guys..It's fine now, using 7search for my ads, looking for other ad sources as well.

[QUOTE=cullen;3490073]

Originally Posted by Tuffy

beacon:
Man I got banned from adwords because they said my Domain was PARKED and I know what a parked domain name is and that's not what I had.

I have a website with a few million members and they totally screwed me over.

I deleted the acct and then called them to say hey, no acct no problem right..WRONG they banned me forever because they said I should have corrected the problem before deleting the acct,

Keep in mind I never had a problem, their Google Bot had a problem saying that my domain name was parked.

I'd have to be another person or jump through hoops to get another acct with those guys..It's fine now, using 7search for my ads, looking for other ad sources as well.

always good to master a few sources of traffic, all whilst
testing and probing adwords to get back in.

at this point, i'd say u have to be another person.

my experience...

unfortunately, once the adwords bot flags an account one time, it will keep coming back to spot check. the account will one day be up, then be down. then u request for a manual review, which may help. then the adword bot comes along another day, and the ad is down again.

too much of this, and the account is banned.

for longevity, don't over promise HYPE and have a UNIQUE site. not the review stuff everyone tries to do.

What kind of Clickbank products did you promote through Adwords mate?
Can you give some insight what kind of products? Is it a new make money online products or like weight loss, acne cure or something like that..

I haven't succed in clickbank mate,

Thank you n advance!

Originally Posted by purewealthinc

What kind of Clickbank products did you promote through Adwords mate?
Can you give some insight what kind of products? Is it a new make money online products or like weight loss, acne cure or something like that..

I haven't succed in clickbank mate,

Thank you n advance!

make money online, weightloss, these are heavilly monitored, so to make sure ads are up and running, generating income for 12 months quietly, error on the side of caution, do MORE for the site, the editorial team are itchy finger to ban these type of sites.

the psychology to go by when building these sites and avoid an account ban is...

"offer tips to problems. do not promise anything."

- if you offer tips on how to lose weight, adwords will not get banned.
- if you promise lose weight quickly in days, adwords account will get banned.

- if you offer tips on how to use adwords in a business, you are safe
- if you promise how one can make big money with adwords, you are banned.

niches that are local, do not have 1000s of affiliates promoting, are relatively safer. i hv ads running for local markets that are left undisturbed by adwords editorial.

Great advice throughout the thread Tuffy, and looks like you're doing pretty well for yourself. I used to do a little Adwords to Clickbank myself... ended up going back to SEO to Clickbank.

Originally Posted by Tuffy

make money online, weightloss, these are heavilly monitored, so to make sure ads are up and running, generating income for 12 months quietly, error on the side of caution, do MORE for the site, the editorial team are itchy finger to ban these type of sites.

the psychology to go by when building these sites and avoid an account ban is...

"offer tips to problems. do not promise anything."

- if you offer tips on how to lose weight, adwords will not get banned.
- if you promise lose weight quickly in days, adwords account will get banned.

- if you offer tips on how to use adwords in a business, you are safe
- if you promise how one can make big money with adwords, you are banned.

niches that are local, do not have 1000s of affiliates promoting, are relatively safer. i hv ads running for local markets that are left undisturbed by adwords editorial.

Reps added mate.. That's the kind of person i'd like to give reps, Great and straight to the point information.. I got it mate and fully understand.

Thank you very much!

Thanks for the motivation dude. Thats good cash.

How much did you invest?
If im right (I have read all the posts in this thread actually) you did like puting up a site, and opt-in to catch the ppls e-mails. Bid on keywords in adwords (how much did you pay for each click and all together?) and then sended affiliate link and good content in email to your list and then saw the $$$ after hard work?

Originally Posted by xstyle

Thanks for the motivation dude. Thats good cash.

How much did you invest?
If im right (I have read all the posts in this thread actually) you did like puting up a site, and opt-in to catch the ppls e-mails. Bid on keywords in adwords (how much did you pay for each click and all together?) and then sended affiliate link and good content in email to your list and then saw the $$$ after hard work?

i try to spend usd3000-usd4000 a month, thats usd 115 per day.

- Overall Profit Each Day

my rule of thumb...for every usd $100 i spend, i want to make $160 at least,so $60 profit on the front end, if i make more, even better..

- Micro View on the keyword level

regarding how much i pay for each cost per click, i prefer to look at it from another angle.

so instead of cost per click...

i look at conversion. i can bid $1 for a keyword, if know the cost per conversion.

example, if 10 clicks costs me $10.00, and i get a sale every 10 clicks which makes me $36. i make $26 profit. so i can bid $1 a click to keep a keyword active.

the way to measure this is to have conversion tracking in place.
that will also tell you which keywords to bid for.

so many little profitable keywords add up to a healthy OVERALL PROFIT EACH DAY.

-Site, Opt In, Email

regarding the site, emails and opt in... you got it. just be sure to keep everything unqiue and ORIGINAL, and offer TIPS.

see my earlier post on "psychology to have" when thinking what to write on your site.

Originally Posted by Tuffy

i try to spend usd3000-usd4000 a month, thats usd 115 per day.

- Overall Profit Each Day

my rule of thumb...for every usd $100 i spend, i want to make $160 at least,so $60 profit on the front end, if i make more, even better..

- Micro View on the keyword level

regarding how much i pay for each cost per click, i prefer to look at it from another angle.

so instead of cost per click...

i look at conversion. i can bid $1 for a keyword, if know the cost per conversion.

example, if 10 clicks costs me $10.00, and i get a sale every 10 clicks which makes me $36. i make $26 profit. so i can bid $1 a click to keep a keyword active.

the way to measure this is to have conversion tracking in place.
that will also tell you which keywords to bid for.

so many little profitable keywords add up to a healthy OVERALL PROFIT EACH DAY.

-Site, Opt In, Email

regarding the site, emails and opt in... you got it. just be sure to keep everything unqiue and ORIGINAL, and offer TIPS.

see my earlier post on "psychology to have" when thinking what to write on your site.

Thank you for sharing your method. Not so many people that does share their methods. Cool man!

just woundering what script you use for opt-in or do you have it like in the sidebar or is it a pop-up that almost force the visitor to write down their email?

Anyway, Can you send me url for one of your sites maybe in PM? I would love to see one of your sites so I can get some ideas. To be honest, there is a lot of methods on how to make money online (very, very blackhat) and I am not one of that person. Your method seems very leageal and im sure you sleep good at the nights. And Im not after to steal your method or so, Im just looking forward to see what I can make and get some ideas.

If you dont want to share the site with me, Im still ok. Overall, you have answered my question and helping me and others via this thread.
Keep it up and I hope you make twice as much

Whats the "adwords is happy with" niches in your opinion?

Originally Posted by xstyle

Thank you for sharing your method. Not so many people that does share their methods. Cool man!

just woundering what script you use for opt-in or do you have it like in the sidebar or is it a pop-up that almost force the visitor to write down their email?

Anyway, Can you send me url for one of your sites maybe in PM? I would love to see one of your sites so I can get some ideas. To be honest, there is a lot of methods on how to make money online (very, very blackhat) and I am not one of that person. Your method seems very leageal and im sure you sleep good at the nights. And Im not after to steal your method or so, Im just looking forward to see what I can make and get some ideas.

If you dont want to share the site with me, Im still ok. Overall, you have answered my question and helping me and others via this thread.
Keep it up and I hope you make twice as much

google lottomasterformula and see how review, youtube sites are promoting.

am not the most techy person to manage email delivery and bounces.
so optin, email management I outsource to http://anonym.to/?http://www.timelim...resents/grlist

Originally Posted by humvee9

Whats the "adwords is happy with" niches in your opinion?

example would be real estate.

the $2600 is a clickbank product or your own product? good job on the earnings man

Originally Posted by lmaestro

the $2600 is a clickbank product or your own product? good job on the earnings man

product belongs to product fulfilment company.

How exactly do you build the list?

Do you first let the visitors register on your landing page at your newsletter & then redirect them automatically to the CB-offer?

I think I could have done more once, when I didn't collected the leads but went to plaine selling the ebook.

Now I'm asking because I'll try the same offer just not on Youtube, which worked great, but with PPV this time.

Originally Posted by albaniax

How exactly do you build the list?

Do you first let the visitors register on your landing page at your newsletter & then redirect them automatically to the CB-offer?

I think I could have done more once, when I didn't collected the leads but went to plaine selling the ebook.

Now I'm asking because I'll try the same offer just not on Youtube, which worked great, but with PPV this time.

for your youtube, PPV traffic sources..Answer is yes. after you've seen how how those review sites are doing it, do a little bit more and throw in
a news letter that offers 7 days worth of lotto TIPS.

Originally Posted by Tuffy

funny you.

physical items.

im not guru enough to convince people to buy $2600 cds and ebooks.

guru cannot but noob can lol

After seeing this thread, I decided to give it a shot. I used Bing instead of AdWords as they are not as strict plus I had $50 free advertising. Put up my Ad, got a sale 8 minutes later. Got another sale after 20 minutes. Campaign run for just over a day, no more sales.

Do you use vouchers or standard advertising? I have been testing out voucher techniques and I think my site is flaggged. I even tried running a standard advertising with my credit card on a new one but this didnt succeed either.

Adwords is much smarter indeed.

Don't you think now is the time to have your own product and avoid these adwords bans?

Originally Posted by Scripteen

Don't you think now is the time to have your own product and avoid these adwords bans?

Well he does have the backend sale of about $2600, which leads me to believe this must be an evergreen niche perhaps something like those "green energy" products or possibly forex.

Either way it's a tough, because of the high CPCs and
stringent Adwords criteria it's damn near impossible to pinpoint similar niches

wow is good, but ... it is hard not to expel adwords?

very good tip bro, making it be tips that is the key in all the IM efforts cuz saying that you can obtain great benefits with no effort is considered SPAM. so i think i will do like jgeeked and try bing for PPC. i think maybe forwarding the domain could be used for direct adwords advertizing. what do you think?
of course tou guys can also use
free article directories (best rankings come from ezinearticles.com for organic traffic, but article directories in general are not as powerful anymore after google's recent 2011 update) AMR!
forums (Xrumer)
blog comments (scrapebox)
craigslist or any classified ad pages
facebook pages posts, liking on bigger pages than yours related to the niche
offline billboards (highways, etc)
offline newspaper ads (this can be big and scaleable if you can find the right combination that works)
offline magazine ads (again, very big and scaleable if you find what works)
within a video on youtube on the watermark or on the last 10 seconds, (usually in the description it doesnt work)
squidoo.com lenses (HAVE TO FORWARD, it will be considered "spammy")
hubpages.com-same as squidoo
any web2.0 page can work as long as its forwarded
yahoo answers (long tail keyword phrases as the title of the page tend to get great rankings in SE's)

and the best one is to make a squeeze page, set up aweber and follow up with more products/leads though the autoresponder. and yes like the op said, you can just put the hop.clickbank.net in the aweber and its not flagged. keep in mind what the op said, tips, tips! and let the commissions come in....

I really don't understand google's intent with such tight adwords rules. The whole point of paying for advertisement is to sell a product or a service. So obviously people are wanting to send searchers to their site in order to make money. That's what all businesses do.

I don't see why they get their panties in a wad with affiliate links.

Originally Posted by Flurbuff

I really don't understand google's intent with such tight adwords rules. The whole point of paying for advertisement is to sell a product or a service. So obviously people are wanting to send searchers to their site in order to make money. That's what all businesses do.

I don't see why they get their panties in a wad with affiliate links.

That is right but clickbank if somehow full of scam.

Those are some good numbers man, good job

Originally Posted by nikolaalx

Do you use vouchers or standard advertising? I have been testing out voucher techniques and I think my site is flaggged. I even tried running a standard advertising with my credit card on a new one but this didnt succeed either.

Adwords is much smarter indeed.

do be careful with voucher advertising.

once adwords has a lock on the voucher source, time zone, computer display, browser, IP... it becomes a unique finger print of your computer.

all the vouchers from the same source are now obsolete.

For the long term, i would use standard advertising.

Originally Posted by Tuffy

Gruzin:

its not the keyword that is the issue.

its the website.

i had 2 websites, one with affiliate links, one without.

the account got banned.

i wrote in to adwords on the contact us page.

few days later, adwords editorial replied, your site ( the one with the affiliate links) is flagged.

I asked any other site, reply was, that is the only one.

that account was basically over.

So.

Start a new site, new adwords account.

this time no affiliate links, all original content.

build a list, affiliate link is secondary. my main focus is original content that
keeps users on my site and happy.

adwords can track how long visitors stay on your site.

moving into 2012, if we're thinking of pushing affiliate links from known affliate networks, need to avoid the usual redirects, and sneaky stuff.

the same effort put into doing all that might as well be focused on giving a good user experience.

we can later on push the affiliate links with an email blast and make back the money.

... and choose the right niche... some niches are just plain dancing with death with adwords, if our idea is to have hands free income with adwords, nothing funky cause the editorial team and bots are going to catch u sooner or later.

Yeah google adwords will close an account if:

Starting off with the obvious: porn or illegal or money making idea

Ok..next...

if the webpage is a redirect to something else
if the webpage is a free web hosting account...got to have your own domain name people
if the webpage seems like it might bother them (I threw that in myself from past experience)
if the product or service might fall within certain categories (ex. stock trading advice, work at home, learn to profit being an affiliate)

I remember when google adwords (2001-2003) was business friendly..times have changed.

Just my 2 cents

U running display? or search?