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    That guy just lost the chance to work with a good provider. This really works. Signed up exactly one month ago and had John work on a site that I have not touched in 5 years. Want to see if I can get it going again. Want to reiterate that I have not had a link built to this site in at least five years. All of the work is John's.

    KW1 Was #10 now #4 +6
    KW2 Was #5 now #4 +1
    KW3 Was #10 now #8 +2
    KW4 Was #88 now #10 +78
    KW5 Was #17 now #12 +5
    KW6 Was #18 now #12 +6
    KW7 Was #13 now #13 = Even
    KW8 Was #38 now #15 +23
    KW9 Was #80 now #19 +61
    KW10 Was #29 now #20 + 9

    None of the keywords are easy and number 8 is especially hard. It is a one word brand name. Happily surprised with these results. Besides the results John has been very easy to deal with and at these prices these results are a great deal. Going to send him some more business. He has earned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mldw13 View Post
    That guy just lost the chance to work with a good provider. This really works. Signed up exactly one month ago and had John work on a site that I have not touched in 5 years. Want to see if I can get it going again. Want to reiterate that I have not had a link built to this site in at least five years. All of the work is John's.

    KW1 Was #10 now #4 +6
    KW2 Was #5 now #4 +1
    KW3 Was #10 now #8 +2
    KW4 Was #88 now #10 +78
    KW5 Was #17 now #12 +5
    KW6 Was #18 now #12 +6
    KW7 Was #13 now #13 = Even
    KW8 Was #38 now #15 +23
    KW9 Was #80 now #19 +61
    KW10 Was #29 now #20 + 9

    None of the keywords are easy and number 8 is especially hard. It is a one word brand name. Happily surprised with these results. Besides the results John has been very easy to deal with and at these prices these results are a great deal. Going to send him some more business. He has earned it.
    Glad to see the site is doing well. Thanks so much for the kind words.

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    John is an absolute miracle worker, a down to earth guy and probably is offering the most effective, most reliable, and best priced SEO service on this forum. If you don't sign up to this, your an idiot.
    Haha. God, I wish my wife felt the same way! Thanks so much for the kind words.

    Just an FYI guys. I will be traveling today home from Vegas and will be radio silent all day. I will be in full work mode tomorrow though if you have questions and need to call me or hit me up on Skype.

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    Is it possible to use this service for a high competive niche in the Dutch Sector?

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    Is it possible to use this service for a high competive niche in the Dutch Sector?
    Yup not a problem. We have a few clients for Dutch sites.

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    i think i will order within 1-2 months as i first need to optimize my sites before i spend $ on my seo.

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    i think i will order within 1-2 months as i first need to optimize my sites before i spend $ on my seo.
    Sounds good to me. I will be here

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    Back from Vegas and ready for more orders

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    I am now around 38 days into this service. I am very happy.
    Heres my stats so far:

    (initial rank -> current rank (-/+increase))

    Keyword1: 9 -> 4 (+5)
    Keyword2: 18 -> 9 (+9)
    Keyword3: 20 -> 9 (+11)
    Keyword4: 20 -> 12 (+8)
    Keyword5: 22 -> 9 (+13)
    Keyword6: 23 -> 9 (+14)
    Keyword7: 53 -> 9 (+44)
    Keyword8: 60 -> 21 (+39)
    Keyword9: 0 -> 11 (+89)
    Keyword10: 0 -> 8 (+92)

    I am seeing a markable increase in traffic and beginning to see an increase in revenue.

    It speaks for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davids355 View Post
    I am now around 38 days into this service. I am very happy.
    Heres my stats so far:

    (initial rank -> current rank (-/+increase))

    Keyword1: 9 -> 4 (+5)
    Keyword2: 18 -> 9 (+9)
    Keyword3: 20 -> 9 (+11)
    Keyword4: 20 -> 12 (+8)
    Keyword5: 22 -> 9 (+13)
    Keyword6: 23 -> 9 (+14)
    Keyword7: 53 -> 9 (+44)
    Keyword8: 60 -> 21 (+39)
    Keyword9: 0 -> 11 (+89)
    Keyword10: 0 -> 8 (+92)

    I am seeing a markable increase in traffic and beginning to see an increase in revenue.

    It speaks for itself.
    Nice! My goal is to keep you making money so you continue to pay for my service

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    This sounds like a good service.

    When the day comes where I can afford this, I'll definitely sign up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wacka_wacka View Post
    This sounds like a good service.

    When the day comes where I can afford this, I'll definitely sign up.

    I look forward to doing business with you in the future.

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    Just wanted to leave my review of jstover's service after being a customer for a month. I started a new site about a week before enlisting his services (enough time to get my keywords figured out, articles written etc..) and then had him go to work with 10 keywords pointing at my homepage.

    I've written an entire case study on the progress of my site that shows the change in rank of my 10 main keywords, plus the increase in traffic:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...-new-site.html

    The value that jstover provides is unparalleled. He's always online, happy to answer questions, and very knowledgeable. My first site is growing nicely, and I attribute a lot of it to his help!

    Here's the traffic growth for my site:
    stats.jpg

    Here's my keyword performance:

    Kw1: 3,600 global/2,900 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-17 Appears @ 12th
    1/12 now ranked 5th

    Kw2: 3,600 global/2,400 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 44th
    1/12 now ranked 7th

    Kw3: 3,600 global/2,900 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 34th
    1/12 now ranked 7th

    Kw4: 1,900 global/1,300 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 63th
    1/12 now ranked 11th

    Kw5: 6,600 global/4,400 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 32th
    1/12 now ranked 13th

    Kw6: 33,100 global/8,100 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 70th
    1/12 now ranked 12th

    Kw7: 18,100 global/4,400 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 44th
    1/12 now ranked 18th

    Kw8: 33,100 global/14,800 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 102th
    1/12 now ranked 19th

    Kw9: 33,100 global/22,200 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-22 Appears @ 366th
    1/12 now ranked 58th (Finally climbing.. can't wait to see this big boy climb even more!)

    Kw10: 90,500 global/74,000 local
    12-10 Unranked
    12-15 Appears @ 134th
    1/12 now ranked 23rd

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    After waiting for over a month for my new site to get matured, I finally decided to take the plunge.
    Just made the payment and sent the details to John.
    Very eager to see the results.
    Need links from education/career/jobs related sites. PM me

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Chip_ View Post
    After waiting for over a month for my new site to get matured, I finally decided to take the plunge.
    Just made the payment and sent the details to John.
    Very eager to see the results.
    Thanks for your order Chip. I look forward to getting you results!

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    I just ordered 10kw package!

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    I just ordered 10kw package!
    Great thanks for your order!

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    Here is a sample ranking report from one of our clients.

    Ranking Report :https://www.seosharesite.com/r/l7lxwm572f/Overview

    Pass :a1234567
    Password doesn't work

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    Password doesn't work
    Just worked for me. : is not part of the password

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    Just worked for me. : is not part of the password
    I swear I tried that before and it didn't work. Oops!

    Working now.

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    I will be signing up for a package just have a quick question, didn't see it in the thread sorry if I missed it. Do I give you the urls to rank the 10 keywords or do you just rank the main page? Looks great excited to give your services a chance.

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    I will be signing up for a package just have a quick question, didn't see it in the thread sorry if I missed it. Do I give you the urls to rank the 10 keywords or do you just rank the main page? Looks great excited to give your services a chance.
    You can deeplink all keywords. So if you have 10 keywords and want to target 10 separate URLs (not domains) that is fine.

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    You can deeplink all keywords. So if you have 10 keywords and want to target 10 separate URLs (not domains) that is fine.
    Perfect ill have my order for you later this week Thanks

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    Haven't had cause to use the service yet, but i will buy at some point as i was super impressed with the o.p.'s knowledge when he gave me some personal help when kindly explaining some on page seo problems i was struggling to understand (for a clients website) over a year ago. he spent a fair bit of time answering my questions and he did that just for the hell of it.

    anyway, how come ive only just seen this service?? i cant believe its been live for almost 2 months now and ive only just seen it today!!!

    incidentally, i see that a Google Places service is also being offered by jstover77, could i please have a pm with more info about it. thanks.

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    I'm not going to post screenshots and list keyword+ because that's not really my style, but all I'll say is that 6 weeks in things are hotting up John!

    More traffic coming in, sales looking promising, onwards and upwards!

    Incidentally John gave me some SEO tips and I'm using those tips on another site of mine and damn if my traffic and my income hasn't just about doubled on that site for the first 2 weeks of the year - looks like I won't be needing you on that site for now John! Ok, maybe down the line for the tough keywords.

    Stellar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by britcpa View Post
    Haven't had cause to use the service yet, but i will buy at some point as i was super impressed with the o.p.'s knowledge when he gave me some personal help when kindly explaining some on page seo problems i was struggling to understand (for a clients website) over a year ago. he spent a fair bit of time answering my questions and he did that just for the hell of it.

    anyway, how come ive only just seen this service?? i cant believe its been live for almost 2 months now and ive only just seen it today!!!

    incidentally, i see that a Google Places service is also being offered by jstover77, could i please have a pm with more info about it. thanks.
    PM sent. Thanks for the kind words

    Quote Originally Posted by CPAchick View Post
    I'm not going to post screenshots and list keyword+ because that's not really my style, but all I'll say is that 6 weeks in things are hotting up John!

    More traffic coming in, sales looking promising, onwards and upwards!

    Incidentally John gave me some SEO tips and I'm using those tips on another site of mine and damn if my traffic and my income hasn't just about doubled on that site for the first 2 weeks of the year - looks like I won't be needing you on that site for now John! Ok, maybe down the line for the tough keywords.

    Stellar!
    So what you are saying is I shot myself in the foot Thanks so much for the kind words.

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    Pretty much ! But all continuing well with the site you're working now, and I'll be in touch, no problem.
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    So what you are saying is I shot myself in the foot Thanks so much for the kind words.

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    Pretty much ! But all continuing well with the site you're working now, and I'll be in touch, no problem.
    Yeah no worries. I was just joking around.

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    jstover77.. This is one service thread in BHW that I read from the first to the last including the brickbats. Surprised that there isn't enough mileage for this thread compared to most threads here, but I guess it kind of sets the precedence. At $19/keyword/month it sounds fairly reasonable.

    I'm kicking myself that I didn't come across this thread just a week ago when I spent my entire monthly budget purchasing different services. Anyhow, i'm preparing my budget for the next month and have a few questions.

    Keywords and URL's
    Is it possible to change the targeted keywords for the URL's? For example each of my url's target a bunch of keywords (for some it ranks high for some it doesn't). Do you offer an option to change the keywords if I see on my end that they are the wrong keywords to go after (from a revenue point of view) or do I need to order an additional package?

    Canceling my other SEO services
    You mentioned that with this service you diversify a lot. So am I right in assuming that I can safely shut out or perhaps scale down the other seo gigs that I invest in monthly at the moment?

    Besides ranking for keywords, i'm also obsessed with increasing my Mozrankings and eventually the site authority. Can I assume that your service will also help in increasing the site's authority as well? (I know this is service is purely for rankings, but wanted to clarify)

    I started 2012 with the hope to make 40k/month by May.. and at the risk of sounding like a dreamer, this thread excites me

    Look forward to your reply.

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    jstover77.. This is one service thread in BHW that I read from the first to the last including the brickbats. Surprised that there isn't enough mileage for this thread compared to most threads here, but I guess it kind of sets the precedence. At $19/keyword/month it sounds fairly reasonable.

    I'm kicking myself that I didn't come across this thread just a week ago when I spent my entire monthly budget purchasing different services. Anyhow, i'm preparing my budget for the next month and have a few questions.

    Keywords and URL's
    Is it possible to change the targeted keywords for the URL's? For example each of my url's target a bunch of keywords (for some it ranks high for some it doesn't). Do you offer an option to change the keywords if I see on my end that they are the wrong keywords to go after (from a revenue point of view) or do I need to order an additional package?

    Canceling my other SEO services
    You mentioned that with this service you diversify a lot. So am I right in assuming that I can safely shut out or perhaps scale down the other seo gigs that I invest in monthly at the moment?

    Besides ranking for keywords, i'm also obsessed with increasing my Mozrankings and eventually the site authority. Can I assume that your service will also help in increasing the site's authority as well? (I know this is service is purely for rankings, but wanted to clarify)

    I started 2012 with the hope to make 40k/month by May.. and at the risk of sounding like a dreamer, this thread excites me

    Look forward to your reply.
    Yes you can change the keywords out, but I prefer that clients try not to do this often. But I do understand sometimes you rank a keyword and it just doesn't payoff.

    As far as cancelling your other services, this is really up to you. We are a full service off page service, so you do not have to use other services. I do however give you advice on other suggested services and strategies to use, which work great along side of my service. I have a very good blueprint, so if you follow my advice you should be able to build your authority, and ranking for long term success. Like I mentioned before, I use this same blueprint on all of my personal sites, which generate well over $100K per month in revenue. So why even try reinventing the wheel

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    I have been using this service now just about 20 days along and already seeing amazing results.
    My main keyword which is pretty competitive ones ranks where it has to be - 1st. position in Google.

    Also my other keywords SERP movements increase nicely.

    Good SEO service and jstover77 very professional guy.
    I don't speak English fluently

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    I haven't been around for IM as long as most, nevertheless, I can truthfully say I have not come across an individual that was as friendly and helpful as jstover77. He truly goes out of his way to provide a great service and to give assistance. I have only been using his service for 7 days but I have already seen improvement.

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    I have been using this service now just about 20 days along and already seeing amazing results.
    My main keyword which is pretty competitive ones ranks where it has to be - 1st. position in Google.

    Also my other keywords SERP movements increase nicely.

    Good SEO service and jstover77 very professional guy.
    Thanks for the update. Glad to see your are doing well. I take bonuses..just an FYI

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    You seem to have a solid business here. Good job mate.

    I have a question though regarding how this will all work out for me though. See the thing is I want to offer SEO services as a consultant and pass the SEO work to you. Do I just get my list of 10 keywords and my clients site, email them to you along with payment, and you'll give me reports on how the site has done on each kw once each month, so I can print them and present them to my client in our monthly meetings?

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    You seem to have a solid business here. Good job mate.

    I have a question though regarding how this will all work out for me though. See the thing is I want to offer SEO services as a consultant and pass the SEO work to you. Do I just get my list of 10 keywords and my clients site, email them to you along with payment, and you'll give me reports on how the site has done on each kw once each month, so I can print them and present them to my client in our monthly meetings?
    That's it buddy. My rank reports aren't branded so you can give them to clients. You can also keep your own rank reports to show clients.

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    That's it buddy. My rank reports aren't branded so you can give them to clients. You can also keep your own rank reports to show clients.
    Awesome, thanks for the fast reply.

    Just for good measure though, I shouldn't send you more than 2 clients in the same niche and city right? Let's say I have 2 A/C repair guys in Houston, TX wanting SEO work, then a 3rd and 4th want in as well, should I just decline their offers?

    Another question, I noticed you also offer Google Places optimization. Can you tell me how that would work for us 2 along with your pricing bundles either here or through PM? I wouldn't min offering that as well to clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Kaiser View Post
    Awesome, thanks for the fast reply.

    Just for good measure though, I shouldn't send you more than 2 clients in the same niche and city right? Let's say I have 2 A/C repair guys in Houston, TX wanting SEO work, then a 3rd and 4th want in as well, should I just decline their offers?

    Another question, I noticed you also offer Google Places optimization. Can you tell me how that would work for us 2 along with your pricing bundles either here or through PM? I wouldn't min offering that as well to clients.
    Yes if they are in the same niche and city I will only do one. But honestly man there are millions of local businesses to go after. You should never take on clients in the same area anyways. No need too.

    As far as the Google Places stuff hit me up on Skype or PM and I will explain.

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    I placed a test order today.. thank you for making yourself available John!

    I look forward to a long n mutually beneficial business relationship!
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    Is it absolutely necessary to provide 10 keywords?

    I have 2 main keywords that I want to target, although I do have 8 other keywords that are not very important (longtail low traffic)

    Will all the keywords receive the same amount of backlinks? Or can we prioritize keywords of importance (like the 2 important ones)

    I am thinking of using this service as a maintenance just to make sure both my main keywords do not drop

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    I placed a test order today.. thank you for making yourself available John!

    I look forward to a long n mutually beneficial business relationship!
    Look for ward to getting you results.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patel View Post
    Is it absolutely necessary to provide 10 keywords?

    I have 2 main keywords that I want to target, although I do have 8 other keywords that are not very important (longtail low traffic)

    Will all the keywords receive the same amount of backlinks? Or can we prioritize keywords of importance (like the 2 important ones)

    I am thinking of using this service as a maintenance just to make sure both my main keywords do not drop
    Yes, but we will prioritize more competitive keywords. All campaigns are 10 keywords though. If you want to give me 2 keywords for $200 per onth I can do that and just concentrate on them, but I prefer to keep it to 10.

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    Hey mate,

    The reviews look veery good so far, looks like you're doing a great job.
    Is it possible for you to work with foreign keywords? Of course, no cryptic symbols.

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    Hi John,

    I'm interested in buying your service. Just sent you a PM.
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    The reviews look veery good so far, looks like you're doing a great job.
    Is it possible for you to work with foreign keywords? Of course, no cryptic symbols.

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    Yup not a problem.

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    I've bookmarked your service and I will definitely check this out in the near future when I have the funds.

    I'm changing up my SEO backlink services as I don't seem to be seeing the right results with my current services anymore.

    Will your service work on a site which is experiencing a very weird dance? I have 6 sites, all with the same backlinking services right now (about 4-5 different ones for each) and they are ALL ranking #1 #2 and 1st page for the main domain (medium competition), but ALL the inner pages are dancing around page 5 to 20 for over 4 months now.

    The fact that your service can target 10 keywords on one site has really caught my attention and I would like to know if you have had a similar client in my situation that has gotten out of it. Thanks for taking the time to read, sorry if it's already been asked before, I did read most of the posts but didn't see it anywhere.

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    Do you work in Arabic sites !

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