Hey all, I have been reading some of the threads for about a month & some of the reads have made me really motivated towards this journey. I'm looking to start making some money through IM so that I can quit my job. So I started a blog about a month ago after reading crashed challenge. So I set up a wordpress blog with some articles,adsense, cpa & affiliates. Currently I have about 12 posts.

I get about 50 UV a day (mostly through twitter) but still no $$, not even an adsense click. I'm not giving up and I will keep working until I get there. Currently I only write an article per week, Does it make a BIG difference how frequent the posts are? The thing is that I wouldn't like to invest much time on article writing till I don't see some $$ first. I'm just asking you experienced IM's, have you ever encountered this situation before & what are your suggestions to blow this bubble?

Opps wrong post lol

Sorry anyway

If it is in a niche orientated site then just make a product and sell it.

Make the salespage a subdomain on your blog if you want to keep the costs down

Not so simple

I've been watching the Crashed thread and he's shared some great info on launching a site, but people need to be realistic when it comes to affiliate marketing, and none of the Gurus or eBook/course sellers ever tell you this stuff because it wouldn't help them sell their eBooks and courses, but here's some honest numbers to consider:

A 3% CTR is a decent click thru rate for affiliate banners or ads on a blog setup. This means if you build a blog (or site) with the intent to send your traffic to an affiliate offer, then getting 3% of your visitors to click thru to that offer is a decent average early on.

More experienced marketers can get much higher CTR averages, and a lot depends on your niche, your traffic sources, how targeted that traffic is, and your ability to create powerful calls to action with your affiliate links, but for a newbie or even moderately experienced marketers, a 3% CTR average is pretty common.

Another important number is the conversion rate. How many clicks do you need to send to an offer to make a sale? Again, there's a lot of factors that go into this, is the sales page killer or dud? Have you pre-sold your visitors well before sending them to the sales page? Is your market desperate and hungry?

Conversion rates can vary wildly, but the most common number I've seen posted (complained about) in forums, mostly by newbies, is around 0.5%, and I know from my early days that was about right for me too before I got better at picking products to promote, matching the products and advertising copy to my traffic, and writing good pre-sales content.

So, with those two common--if not average--numbers to go by, we can figure out some cold hard truths about affiliate marketing:
A) With a conversion rate of 0.5% you need to send 200 people from your site to the sales page to get a single sale (on average)
B) With a CTR of 3% you need to get about 6,700 visitors to your own site in order to have sent 200 of them thru to your affiliate offer (on average)
C) None of these numbers are linear, meaning you might send 900 people from your page to an offer and make zero sales, and then get 5 sales from your 900th through 1000 click-thru, creating the 1 in 200 average, but the point is you can't actually expect or count upon a sale with every 200 click-thrus.

Again, these numbers of 3% CTR and 0.5% conversion rates are common, especially among newbies based on what I've seen posted in forums over the years and my own experience, but they aren't set in stone, anyone can do better or worse with their first attempts, and most people who learn from what they do will get better results over time.

AdSense and simple CPA offers (email submits) tend to be easier to start getting some money with, but over the long haul they're chump-change compared to what an organized affiliate marketer can earn with a solid sales funnel and traffic system in place. Still, even though they're easier starting out, they're still dependent on traffic volume so don't expect fortunes and riches with 50 visitors per day. It could still take several days or even a week or two at that level before you see a click or email submit appear.

I think what Crashed has been doing in his thread is great, and it's giving people a solid foundation to build and learn from, but I wouldn't follow it with expectations of making any money. Most who follow it probably will earn something, but the real value from it is in what can be learned by following along and paying attention to how each piece of the puzzle builds out the bigger picture as you go.

Good luck with the challenge.

Wow great info there, I wasn't expecting any income from this & I appreciate what crashed has done because I have learned some of the basic stuff & alot more. I started doing my own stuff like link building & other SEO techniques so that I can build my knowledge on that stuff aswell but I guess I taught that It would be simpler to monetize.I just have to work more & more!!

All I can say is that with 50UV a day you've got a long way to go, especially if you want to quit your job.

I've had several blogs that got 4 - 5k UV daily and only made a few hundred $ over half a year

How well-targeted is your niche? Do the adsense adverts which are appearing actually relate to it?

I understand that it's frustrating for you to have to create content for a site which may not be making any actual revenue yet, but it's a chicken and egg situation. Without plenty of regular content, visitors simply won't stay more than a couple of seconds per visit, and they won't return if there was nothing to interest them on their initial visit.

Adding one blogpost per week probably won't help.

I know it's tough, but you have to decide whether you're going to go for it or not. There's no point in doing this stuff half-heartedly.

Assuming it is a well-targeted niche, and there is an actual demand for it, then I would agree with one of the other posters. Create an ebook or report which you can sell, and then concentrate on attracting visitors to that. Marketing your own products is a much better business model than Adsense anyway (especially if you have a flair for writing).

If you don't want to write one from scratch, look for a PLR book which you can promote. Change the title, create a new cover page, and sell it as your own work. You can do all of the above in under an hour.

(Or you could of course promote Clickbank products, if you prefer.)

Whichever you choose, you need to concentrate on getting more UV's, and also make sure there is SOMETHING WORTHWHILE for them to see when they get there.

Good luck.

Since you're already seeing twitter traffic, you need to scale that up. Writing one article per week is good for your on-page SEO, but its only producing 1 tweet (assuming you're doing WP -> Twitter posts).

Autoblogging MAY be your solution as you'll post multiple tweets in one day. Play around with different methods before you scrap your project.

Originally Posted by scb335

I've been watching the Crashed thread and he's shared some great info on launching a site, but people need to be realistic when it comes to affiliate marketing, and none of the Gurus or eBook/course sellers ever tell you this stuff because it wouldn't help them sell their eBooks and courses, but here's some honest numbers to consider:

A 3% CTR is a decent click thru rate for affiliate banners or ads on a blog setup. This means if you build a blog (or site) with the intent to send your traffic to an affiliate offer, then getting 3% of your visitors to click thru to that offer is a decent average early on.

More experienced marketers can get much higher CTR averages, and a lot depends on your niche, your traffic sources, how targeted that traffic is, and your ability to create powerful calls to action with your affiliate links, but for a newbie or even moderately experienced marketers, a 3% CTR average is pretty common.

Another important number is the conversion rate. How many clicks do you need to send to an offer to make a sale? Again, there's a lot of factors that go into this, is the sales page killer or dud? Have you pre-sold your visitors well before sending them to the sales page? Is your market desperate and hungry?

Conversion rates can vary wildly, but the most common number I've seen posted (complained about) in forums, mostly by newbies, is around 0.5%, and I know from my early days that was about right for me too before I got better at picking products to promote, matching the products and advertising copy to my traffic, and writing good pre-sales content.

So, with those two common--if not average--numbers to go by, we can figure out some cold hard truths about affiliate marketing:
A) With a conversion rate of 0.5% you need to send 200 people from your site to the sales page to get a single sale (on average)
B) With a CTR of 3% you need to get about 6,700 visitors to your own site in order to have sent 200 of them thru to your affiliate offer (on average)
C) None of these numbers are linear, meaning you might send 900 people from your page to an offer and make zero sales, and then get 5 sales from your 900th through 1000 click-thru, creating the 1 in 200 average, but the point is you can't actually expect or count upon a sale with every 200 click-thrus.

Again, these numbers of 3% CTR and 0.5% conversion rates are common, especially among newbies based on what I've seen posted in forums over the years and my own experience, but they aren't set in stone, anyone can do better or worse with their first attempts, and most people who learn from what they do will get better results over time.

AdSense and simple CPA offers (email submits) tend to be easier to start getting some money with, but over the long haul they're chump-change compared to what an organized affiliate marketer can earn with a solid sales funnel and traffic system in place. Still, even though they're easier starting out, they're still dependent on traffic volume so don't expect fortunes and riches with 50 visitors per day. It could still take several days or even a week or two at that level before you see a click or email submit appear.

I think what Crashed has been doing in his thread is great, and it's giving people a solid foundation to build and learn from, but I wouldn't follow it with expectations of making any money. Most who follow it probably will earn something, but the real value from it is in what can be learned by following along and paying attention to how each piece of the puzzle builds out the bigger picture as you go.

Good luck with the challenge.

Your right on I just checked my adsense for today

top channels 3,939 104 2.64% $4.86 $19.13

2.64 conversion rate.

Getting visitor is positive sign you should promote your blog and keep writing related to the product you want to sale on your blog

You say you've not had any clicks on adsense.

How you tried different layouts, or possibly an entirely new theme?

I really appreciate your replies & I understand that I have to work harder in order to get where I want to be & with my mindset I'm sure I'll get there soon.

Yes I did try to change the location of the adsense, I put some adsense as a "sub menu" & you won't notice that they are adverts apart from the "Ads By Google" Part. Do you know of any way you can hide that?

About promoting a product, I think it's a little bit hard to find a product for my niche which is quite a competitive one, I didn't do any keyword research before I started since I already had a domain & the niche is quite competitive to my disadvantage. But recently I have done some keyword research & I think I could promote some posts on sub niches. I know you're gonna tell me to ditch this and start in another niche(I found some good keywords) but I never give up & would like to give this a little bit more time.

I've got no money to invest in it currently due to school & work situation but am willing to give some of my time into it. Can you point me to some informative threads on manual backlinking? What I'm currently doing is posting a comment with an anchor link on social networking sites & high pr blogs.

On twitter I've got about 150 followers currently & growing everyday(TweetAttacks), I also promote all my articles everyday on twitter(I don't even change the wording) & brings traffic each day altough I noticed that some of them may be bots.

Another solution would be to work a bit more on it to get more UV, sell it on flippa and start over again on a less competitive niche that interests me more.

50uv isnt that much man. Pump it up a notch

Originally Posted by facebookdude

50uv isnt that much man. Pump it up a notch

BUt he should earn more than $0 with 1500 monthly visitors.

Originally Posted by ianbborg

About promoting a product, I think it's a little bit hard to find a product for my niche which is quite a competitive one

Surely that's a good thing! If it's a competitive niche AND there are very few products available for it, then you've got a perfect opportunity if you can CREATE a product. Obviously I've no idea what the niche is, and I wouldn't ask you to reveal it for obvious reasons... but let's assume it's Panda Juggling.

As it's a competitive niche, there is obviously a demand for products, and if that's not being fulfilled, you can cash in on that demand.

Write an ebook on Panda Juggling (or an audio / video). It doesn't need to be huge. Just give it a catchy title ("How I Changed My Life And Made A Million Juggling Pandas") and some solid content, and focus on creating a killer salespage. (You could even outsource the writing, but I know you said you have no money to invest.)

Then think about setting up some kind of affiliate scheme. Pitch it to the other webmasters in your competitive marketplace (who are also probably fighting over crumbs since there are so few products), and give them a generous commission for promoting your ebook.

All of a sudden, the highly competitive nature of your niche and corresponding lack of products becomes an ADVANTAGE for you.

Twitter traffic is not the best one.
Focus on ranking in google for some keywords,also read some adsense positioning ebooks like Xfactor`s adsense that might help you.

Originally Posted by scb335

I've been watching the Crashed thread...

I tried and looked but cant find this "Crashed thread", anyone here that can point me in that direction?

many thanks

Originally Posted by steviep

I tried and looked but cant find this "Crashed thread", anyone here that can point me in that direction?

many thanks

Here you go Stevie...
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ays-money.html

There's also a page dedicated to it, which contains all the 'strategy' but without the THOUSANDS of replies on the BHW thread, so it's easier to study. (However, you should read the thread too, as there is lots of useful advice & feedback from people who are followng the same path.)

Crashed's site is at: http://crashedchallenge.info

All the best,
SneakySnake

Thank you very much SneakySnake, that should keep me busy for a while!

Thanks a lot SneakySnake I also really appreciate what you have done. Very helpful.

I would like to know how you got that kind of traffic.

You need to work harder and increase the number of UV. Only then can you expect some income on your investment.