I WON'T be buying ANY PPV's that feature Brock Lesnar.

I do understand what many MAY think is going to happen: increased ticket sales, etc to see the asshole get knocked out.

The question is "at what cost"?????

The punks on the MMA boards showed their asses and could not debate the issue on it's merits.....instead they named-called and so on. I wish that some of them would come up to my MMA school and disrespect me to my face. People are really brave behind a keyboard........

That aside, the downside to all of this may be more than Dana has bargained for.

I predict a DROP in sales for the Lesnar fights. Sure, I will watch the highlights on YouTube IF anyone crushes him......BUT PAY to watch that asshole? No way!

You have class acts like GSP..........now there is a true martial artist. He SHOULD be the face of MMA. Classy, intelligent and gifted. He is a great role model for the kids that watch MMA.

Brock Lesnar NOT a class act, I don't care if he did apologize during the post fight interview.

This is the UFC, not WWE.

Lesnar as a person should not mean anything to you if your watching it for a fight. He's a good fighter, who cares otherwise? The guy is a FIGHTER, not a fucking entertainer. I mean yeah he's a dick, but he's always a dick from what I've read, not just an act. The guy gets paid to beat the shit out of people. I think lesnar is a tool, but he's a tool that backs it up. I think the reason so many people hate him is because they don't get to see him get his head kicked in after being a dick.

eh guess it depends, I mean the fact that you don't like sports in general means the competition aspect of it is useless for you. Personally I train with alot of mma guys, and I train for boxing myself, just mainly because I love to train, not because I have some aspiration to be pro or something. I guess when you realize what goes into making them a good fighter, you can appreciate watching them fight. It's not just going out there and beating the shit out of each other. There are a bajillion little obstacles these guys had to overcome, and have to overcome in order to win a fight. Guess that helps me enjoy it. That and I love to watch people beat the shit out of each other because I'm a weirdo like that

I agree with you hotsox. It's a fight plain and simple. You watch it for one simple reason, to see two of the baddest mofo's they can find rip each others head's off period. You don't want to see some 5 round decision...you want to see a guy get laid out.

To niche1, parents should be role models not athletes. You guys can't stand lesnar cuz he flipped off the crowd and had an attitude, while henderson during his interview said he new bisping was out but dropped the last bomb on him so he'd "shut him up"! That's fucked up! If bisping was seriously injured or killed from that shot that's what would kill ticket sales, ppv buys, the end of that sport, and more importantly a man's life period,! How do we know gsp is a saint? So what if he's gracious in winning or defeat, all we know is what we read and see of him. He could be beating his girlfriend every night or fucking a sheep behind closed doors for all we know. People get busted all the time for doing crazy shit you would have thought..."not him/her!".

Lesnar's took a job in the "Ultimate Fighter"! His job is to beat the guy they put in front of him buy any and all means necessary. Not the way you want him to fight, the way he can get that job done. It's not his fault he grew up to be the size of a small car...actually a roided up semi-truck. He's a big jerk sure, but that's not why we watch...we watch for the fight!!!! It's the competition that drives us to watch any sport.

Just my 2 pennys.

To say Brock isn't a martial artist is ludicris. The man trained for 13 years in wrestling. Wrestling is the original martial art. The UFC is at a critical stage right now and Dana is going for broke. Brock will bring in more and more of the WWE crowd as he continues in the UFC. He was at the top of the profession in the WWE and the man is already wealthy as can be. As a competitor he gave it all up and took a shot a proving himself in real mixed martial arts. You should give him credit. He took the risk of looking like a complete fool and put in the training to now dominate the HW division. If anything he'll make that whole division better as now all the heavyweifghts have to figure out how to deal with him. It's scary to think what he will be like when he learns some submissions training with Eric Paulson. He missed at least three subs on Mir that were right there for the taking. (head and arm triangle, americana, kimura) But I think Frank pissed him off so much he just wanted to pound his face in.
Remember as well that Brock knows the whole WWE sthick and how to market this stuff.
If you see the pre-fight interview where he knocks the door off the hinges you have to know that was a setup.
Dana's goal is to make MMA and the UFC the biggest sport in the world and Brock is one of the guys that can help get him there. Just enjoy it !
If you like marketing and martial arts Brock is the man!

I read an interview with him about this in some magazine. He pretty much dealt with dana white from the go, and basically said.. I put asses in the seats and I know how to sell ppv events. I have the star power, and potential to bring in a whole new audience.... etc. Like it or not white knows what he is doing, and as painful as it may see to have a guy like lesnar on top of the game, he earned it. He's a prick, so what. Not everyone is a nice guy, especially fighters.

I agree. I hate matt hughes aswell. That guy is such a whiner "Well my wife said....", "My wife told me...". Really wanted serra to knock him out but knew it wouldnt happen.

A martial artist is MORE than someone who just kicks someone's ass. It involves values such as respect and humility. In our MMA school those values (along with discipline, etc) are VERY much a central theme to our training.

I know that Brock is a fighter, but does he reflect the virtues of a Martial Artist?

The answer is no! This is based on his ridiculous behavior displayed at UFC 100. I still maintain it was unwarranted (much as the Dan Henderson late elbow strike) and has NOTHING to do with being a true Martial Artist.

I beg to disagree with the idea that most fighters are "not nice".......that is an incorrect assumption and if you are training with assholes, then they are assholes by choice. Your instructors should put the hammer down on their shitty behavior. It has no place in the gym.

I am an adult. I have little tolerance for the "tough guy syndrome" types. It simply isn't necessary and to me, it is childish.

Surely you are not equating being a jerk or nasty with ones ability to take out someone else in a fight (either in the street or octagon) are you? If so, this is very misguided and will get you killed when you come upon the "nice" guy who happens to turn into Bruce Lee when you threaten him.

I see some disturbing trends here. Fighters ARE role models. Yes, it is true that Parents should be the role models and I would agree with that point. However, you can NOT constantly excuse away other people's behavior.

Being a jerk is a choice. Not being one is also a choice.

I do thank ALL of the members here for keeping the comments to each other respectful, even when they disagree.

The hitting to the back of the head that was allowed on Mir is going to be the death of a fighter, someday. As well as the late elbow that Henderson landed. Someone WILL die as a result of an intercranial bleed and that will result in the end of the UFC.......

Very disturbing! I am a Medical Professional with over 20 years of experience and I KNOW what happens to the human body when people are knocked out and how easily they can die.

You know, the quick stoppages (while controversial) HAVE saved lives.......what has happened to that?

I know some of you here are much younger than some of the rest of us, but Martial Arts is more than just beating someones ass........GSP is a great martial artist. Machido is another example of a true professional.

Again I will state it. Brock Lesnar is NOT a martial artist. He fights. He is childish and does not represent wrestling or MMA as a whole in a positive way.

That is my point.

I will stick with the true Martial Artists like GSP or Machido. They display true Warrior skill and values.

I don't want to see the WWF or WWE. If I did, I would NOT have been a loyal UFC fan from year one!

Lesnar was a dick. We all know that.

I laughed when he talked about the Bud Light - Coors Light thing, but Idk...

I hope they get rid of the attitude. The brit has the same asshole attitude - no one likes it.

You know what. UFC isnt about personality clashes. Its about who is the better fighter on the day. While their should be rules on behaviour like all sports. If you started making up personality rules on the fly, then it wont be a "championship" anymore. It will be "who do i like the most" not "who is the best fighter".

To a degree i guess you could say this already happens. I definitely think brock lesnar should have had to do far more to get even close to a title shot. Why the interim championship was made up, with nog holding it. And then suddenly couture is willing to fight again.

If anything, as soon as couture had finished whining about his contract. The two belts should have been molded IMMEDIATELY.

Brock Lesnar vs Bobby Lashley thats what I want to see

Wrestling is a martial art. Brock Lesnar is a wrestler. Hence Brock Lesnar is a martial artist.
UFC and MMA are sports and entertainment. A martial artist is just someone that practices a martial art, nothing more or less.

Bruce Lee was the biggest douche bag on the planet when he was alive. Nobody was more arrogant than him in his heydey. Then again all the steriods he was doing probably had alot to do with that. Would you say he wasn't a martial artist?

Originally Posted by iHats

Wow.. Who cares if he is a dick. He can fight..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar

and i highly doubt that half of yall would have the balls enough to even say shit to his face, he would woop each one of yalls ass with his hands tied behind his back.

Ill say shit to his face, he can give me a hit and knock me out, and i would laugh while hes sitting in jail.

Originally Posted by iHats

oooh your a big man huh? Verbal assult can count as much as physical, and him beating your ass for verbal abuse wont go in court.

You joined to post that?

Damn, lesnar actually has fans!

Originally Posted by Alpha_Gentleman

ain't nobody fucking with Brock. He's gonna become the biggest cash cow. after reading all your comments its more obvious that your falling into there marketing plan. All the ppl that hate him are gonna pay money every single time to see him get knocked out.

Originally Posted by badd

Word. Cant believe BHW markerters cant spot this, lol

LOL?! Is that why Lesnar talked shit about UFC's headsponsor in which Dana White had to give him sh*t afterwards and he sincerely apologized? No WWE isn't accepted in UFC..especially when you start talkin sh*t about their headsponsor and having underlying tones of you going home banging your wife.

The act of him was definitely not something that Dana had planned for, so NO it wasn't part of their little marketing scheme.

Oh and ps. -- Brock didnt sell out more than the Liddell and Ortiz fight, so his superstardom equating to superdickhead-attitude probably won't get their ticket sales up for the next event which features him.

And I sincerely hope someone is going to put a knee through his face when he shoots for the legs.

anyone complaining about him not being a "martial artist" need's to read Got Fight? Griffen's book. It goes into detail about the difference between a fighter and a martial artist. Griffen claims to be a fighter, and I'd imagine lesnar does too, along with most good fighters.

Originally Posted by iHats

no actually i joined to post in the contest.. Besides i have been here for a while just not had an account. Plus if you look at the graph you will see that lesnar won that one as well.

You are just mad that you would get your ass beat if you went up against him.

Jealousy is a horrible thing..

1. Picking which fighter will win, and which one you WANT to win are 2 completely different questions, and this poll asked which WILL win... I never said that lesnar was a bad fighter.

2. I already posted saying he would kick the shit out of me, therefore i would not be "mad".

3. I'm not jealous of an immature and selfish idiot.


Seriously, if your gonna try to insult me, put a bit of thought into it.

For those who missed the fight:

The preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-OTNwh5O7c

The fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPhUc6h8c6k

I still can't believe this poll was even close. It's like a popularity contest rather than whose a better fighter poll. Noone really could have thought mir stood a chance, let alone half the board lol.

This poll should have been titled "who do I wish was the better fighter" cuz Mir had no chance. He got pounded on like a little bitch just like I knew he would. Almost all the good UFC fighters are cocky assholes, people just hate Brock cuz he got the belt so quickly without "proving himself". Well theres your proof, he just owned the shit out of one of the best heavyweights in the league. Brock is funny as hell and you're too uptight if you don't think so.

Someone explain how Mir got $45,000 to get killed by Lesnar yet Bisping got $150,000?
lol.... Mir needs to find an agent or get on Dana's good side.

I think the fights pay is pre-determined in your contract, even before the fight cards are actually set. Not sure, but that would really be the only reason. Lesnar is likely getting a shit ton under the table too. He knows what he's worth to the UFC, and I highly doubt he's letting himself get paid anything short of that. The funny thing is I really did not like him when he first got into the UFC. He has that huge gay knife tat for one. Im pretty sure he's the only mother fucker in the world who can pull that thing off. He could get a tramp stamp saying diva if he wanted lol. I really don't get the tat though. I mean I've seen some retarded tribal and shit on fighters, but that thing looks like something that could have only been thought of while under the influence of tons of booze and/or painkillers.

Originally Posted by spcldeal

Brock Lesnar is an ass pure and simple. He is too damn big - need a super heavy weight class for people like him. After all those steroids he has taken, he is just too damned heavy and strong. He sat on Frank and pounded him...like a 16 year old brother on his 8 year old brother...ain't gonna be fair and this wasn't. Frank Mir is obviously of superior skill - and anyone who doubts that does not pay attention, or doesn't know what the hell they are paying attention to.

As for Bisping - funny as shit! That guy was stiff as a board. Can you say - Highlight Reel?

This is MMA mate, the best is the person who wins. Frank Mir allowed his wrist to get trapped and got pummeled in the face as a consequence. Lesnar trapped that wrist and won.

None of this 'Mir is obviously of superior skill' crap, if he was better he would have won. Or maybe they should just spar with their respective training partners and the judges can decide based on who looks more skillful in training.

Originally Posted by kenpodude

Someone explain how Mir got $45,000 to get killed by Lesnar yet Bisping got $150,000?
lol.... Mir needs to find an agent or get on Dana's good side.

Bisping has a much higher profile, especially now on the back of TUF. So he can demand more cash.

I would put my mortgage on Lesnar beating Fedor.

No ----his nemesis isn't in the public domain yet

I am waiting to see Lesnar vs. Bobby Lashley. My monies on Lashley. Lesnar is a big blow hard with a serious attitude problem. He's never thankful for the talent that God gave him.