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    Guess who's linked to that chain. F%$#ers

    "The U.S. government has demanded that major Internet companies divulge users' stored passwords, according to two industry sources familiar with these orders, which represent an escalation in surveillance techniques that has not previously been disclosed.

    If the government is able to determine a person's password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account to peruse confidential correspondence or even impersonate the user. Obtaining it also would aid in deciphering encrypted devices in situations where passwords are reused.
    "I've certainly seen them ask for passwords," said one Internet industry source who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We push back."
    A second person who has worked at a large Silicon Valley company confirmed that it received legal requests from the federal government for stored passwords. Companies "really heavily scrutinize" these requests, the person said. "There's a lot of 'over my dead body.'"
    Some of the government orders demand not only a user's password but also the encryption algorithm and the so-called salt, according to a person familiar with the requests. A salt is a random string of letters or numbers used to make it more difficult to reverse the encryption process and determine the original password. Other orders demand the secret question codes often associated with user accounts. "

    More here http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...unt-passwords/




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    Another reason why its bad to base your company in the united states, if you base it overseas you can ignore all court orders as U.S. court orders are not valid in other countries.
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    Yeaaaahhhhhh boooooooo USA sucks....





























    i'm kidding yay usa!

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    Agreed. Have been plotting my options lately.
    Got a feeling they are as efficient as the USPS or have been tracing VPNs like clockwork for years...

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    I almost always use a vpn, and all the N$A stuff as of light has kind of made me more paranoid for some reason. I signed up for a secure encrypted email and I'm trying to be more careful about my online footprint.

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    For all the talk of creating jobs in the USA they sure know how to piss off people and make them locate their business elsewhere.

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    All that training against "terrorists" abroad has really been to prepare them for actions taken against revolutionaries here at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xha44a View Post
    For all the talk of creating jobs in the USA they sure know how to piss off people and make them locate their business elsewhere.
    Why would anyone/any business from anywhere in the world want to buy american software or host on american soil because of all this that's going on? If the momentum picks up enough there could be a small drop in the tech sector from the blow back of all this big brother/gov spying scandal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triple9s View Post
    Why would anyone/any business from anywhere in the world want to buy american software or host on american soil because of all this that's going on? If the momentum picks up enough there could be a small drop in the tech sector from the blow back of all this big brother/gov spying scandal.
    If we port out/in is not easy and one slip the penalties are rough.
    They watch US peeps like a hawk but anyone across the pond just looses another unicorn PayPal account.

    Move to new country? I'd rather be poor than leave my home.

    We need some Egypt bawls...imo As my Dad used to say "creams coming to the top"

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    20 years ago, people were pretty comfortable calling other people "paranoid". Now when I hear them say it, I do not first start examining the possible paranoia of the the person being described as such, now I consider first the probability that the person describing someone as paranoid is delusionally oblivious and stupid.

    Paranoid is normal now. If you aren't paranoid, you're a fucking retard that has no right to have power over others.

    'Cause that's who I think established and supports this massive surveillance state. Fearful, gibbering retards that lack the intellectual capacity to understand what freedom is (and is not), and so they do not miss it after they legislate their's (and mine) away, in favor of the fake, false, flim-flam sham illusion of safety so desperately craved by the electronic meth-heads that govern us; these genetically defective mongoloids that figure the more power they give to the government, the safer everyone will be.

    We'd all be better off if they were pulled roughly from their warm beds, drug from their their houses by torchlight, and killed them dead in their front yards by bashing their skulls in with the nearest colorful yard gnome. Taxes would be lower, we'd have fewer cops, cut the military budget by 7/8ths, completely get rid of the defense industry and instead re-tool the american industry for a permanent, peace-time economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Farage View Post
    20 years ago, people were pretty comfortable calling other people "paranoid". Now when I hear them say it, I do not first start examining the possible paranoia of the the person being described as such, now I consider first the probability that the person describing someone as paranoid is delusionally oblivious and stupid.

    Paranoid is normal now. If you aren't paranoid, you're a fucking retard that has no right to have power over others.

    'Cause that's who I think established and supports this massive surveillance state. Fearful, gibbering retards that lack the intellectual capacity to understand what freedom is (and is not), and so they do not miss it after the legislate their's (and mine) away, in favor of the fake, false, flim-flam sham illusion of safety so desperately craved by the electronic meth-heads that govern us; these genetically defective mongoloids that figure the more power they give to the government, the safer everyone will be.

    We'd all be better off if they were pulled roughly from their warm beds, drug from their their houses by torchlight, and killed them dead in their front yards by bashing their skulls in with the nearest colorful yard gnome. Taxes would be lower, we'd have fewer cops, cut the military budget by 7/8ths, completely get rid of the defense industry and instead re-tool the american industry for a permanent, peace-time economy.
    You're a little twisted aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roparadise View Post
    Another reason why its bad to base your company in the united states, if you base it overseas you can ignore all court orders as U.S. court orders are not valid in other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Farage View Post
    20 years ago, people were pretty comfortable calling other people "paranoid". Now when I hear them say it, I do not first start examining the possible paranoia of the the person being described as such, now I consider first the probability that the person describing someone as paranoid is delusionally oblivious and stupid.

    Paranoid is normal now. If you aren't paranoid, you're a fucking retard that has no right to have power over others.

    'Cause that's who I think established and supports this massive surveillance state. Fearful, gibbering retards that lack the intellectual capacity to understand what freedom is (and is not), and so they do not miss it after the legislate their's (and mine) away, in favor of the fake, false, flim-flam sham illusion of safety so desperately craved by the electronic meth-heads that govern us; these genetically defective mongoloids that figure the more power they give to the government, the safer everyone will be.

    We'd all be better off if they were pulled roughly from their warm beds, drug from their their houses by torchlight, and killed them dead in their front yards by bashing their skulls in with the nearest colorful yard gnome. Taxes would be lower, we'd have fewer cops, cut the military budget by 7/8ths, completely get rid of the defense industry and instead re-tool the american industry for a permanent, peace-time economy.
    You are a wishy washy liberal aren't you ?

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    Wow! You learn something new every day

    Quote Originally Posted by spmcnerd View Post
    If the government is able to determine a person's password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account

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    Quote Originally Posted by triple9s View Post
    I almost always use a vpn, and all the N$A stuff as of light has kind of made me more paranoid for some reason. I signed up for a secure encrypted email and I'm trying to be more careful about my online footprint.
    That's creepy man! Remind me of their PRISM program.

    Luckily I'm not US citizen or operate business related to US.

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    Another reason why its bad to base your company in the united states, if you base it overseas you can ignore all court orders as U.S. court orders are not valid in other countries.
    It wont help as they are already installing the free trading zone between europe and north america which means europe will get US jurisdiction and their stupid cooperation laws

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrill View Post
    It wont help as they are already installing the free trading zone between europe and north america which means europe will get US jurisdiction and their stupid cooperation laws
    You really don't know what your talking about, a trading zone does not make EU part of U.S. jurisdiction and the U.S. part of EU jurisdiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrsuAke View Post
    You're a little twisted aren't you?
    Wasn't Romania a Soviet satellite? I'll answer your question just as soon as you can define for us what "freedom" means, where it comes from, and provide an accurate characterization of the relationship between freedom and government.
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    It's not the U.S that sucks.....it's the government.

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    Laws to patch laws and are gnawing our own asses.
    Sometimes I think their forethought is 10x what we do.
    Asking for email passwords is probably already done and elementary.
    This just sets the "legal" hook for them when they crash down my door for email submits...

    @Nigel I hear ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Farage View Post
    Wasn't Romania a Soviet satellite? I'll answer your question just as soon as you can define for us what "freedom" means, where it comes from, and provide an accurate characterization of the relationship between freedom and government.
    Wasn't America a British colony?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Farage View Post
    Wasn't Romania a Soviet satellite? I'll answer your question just as soon as you can define for us what "freedom" means, where it comes from, and provide an accurate characterization of the relationship between freedom and government.
    Freedom is an utopic term. To define it in my own words, freedom means no boundaries, you can do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it with no consequences upon you.

    To quote the dictionary:


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    2. Absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
    People weren't free even in the neolithic age. There always was a big man proclaimed or self proclaimed as the tribe leader who dictated shit.

    Yes Romaina was a soviet satellite and probably still is in the closed doors politics world. But in the "free" or "capitalist" countries the government always gave people the mirage of freedom when in fact the truth was far from it. And this will never change.

    People are social animals and by nature tend to be lead that's why there are few leaders and lots of followers (psychologically speaking).

    Let's say anarchy hits and we end up without a leader or any other form of authority. There will be confusion for a while and after that we'll appoint a leader ourselves, if by any chance no one self appoints himself.

    I understand and accept this. I have some values and rights I hold in high regards, which I'll happily die protecting if that would be the case.

    You hate the idea that you're not 100% free? Then either move to a more permissive country or to a remote location where authority can't get to you.

    Or change species and be a polar bear and hope you don't run into humans, then you'll be a free animal.
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    Somebody knows a good Tinfoil-hat supplier?

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    If you aren't paranoid, you're a fucking retard that has no right to have power over others.
    Sounds like a great tite for an article.

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    they want the customers password? i think they should mind their own business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrsuAke View Post
    Freedom is an utopic term. To define it in my own words, freedom means no boundaries, you can do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it with no consequences upon you.
    Bullcrap.

    Freedom means to have exclusive property over yourself and the products of your labor. How much simpler can it get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrsuAke View Post
    Freedom is an utopic term.<etc...>
    El-Wrongo. Freedom is a state of being, and government's sole purpose is to maximize that freedom to the greatest extent possible.

    To YOU freedom may be a theoretical concept, and your paranoid "behind the scenes" considerations indicate how little you know of it, as your country (as well as Great Britain) is not founded on the concept of individual freedom and liberty, but instead subordinates the individual to serve the purposes of the State. Any "freedom" given to you (or anyone else in similar substandard countries) is a privilege given to you by the State, and it can be taken away at any moment, and for any reason.

    And then they lie to you, and tell you that you have "rights", when you have no rights, as government given rights are no rights at all.

    "Rights", in order to be real, must by definition transcend all government policies, or laws, and exist independent of both government and the collective "will of the people". Rights are either supernatural in nature, or they are defined as such for such practical purposes such as how they are actually implemented. I'd like to use the phrase "transcendent rights" (because it sounds cool), but that would be redundant. Rights, by definition, are transcendent.


    What this has to do with IM, and a "black hat forum":

    If notions of laws, rules and policies were valued here, then we'd all be practicing white hat methods, blindly compliant with the rules & laws of governments, Google, the RIAA, the MPAA and any and all other regulatory entities that claim to have authority and attempt to exert power.

    By definition, Black Hats reject all of that, for a wide variety of reasons, and instead choose to define their own standards for themselves, and then implement those standards.

    It is the height of arrogance and stupidity to presume on a Black Hat forum to attempt to dictate for others what their behaviors, beliefs and value systems should be, when the very definition of the term is to deny all of that, and make those decisions as individuals uncontrolled by government or any other entity (to include other substandard and uninformed individuals such as yourself). And while morality may play some kind of role in that value system, RISK and the chances of getting away with something vs. the chances of getting caught are also considered.

    This is where the basic, traditional American value of "Mind your business" (or, as translated into the more-hostile vernacular "Mind your own FUCKING business.") originates. If it hasn't got anything to do with your business, then there's a really good chance all you are doing is wasting your time and bothering someone else.
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    Q: Wanna know why you're hearing so much crazy shit happening very recently?
    A: Desperation.

    There's been a whole lot of new global involvement in the middle east, lots of train and plane crashes(keeps people from moving around), .org crime hits(seriously), political scandals(WEEEINERRR), unregulated financial markets causing mayhem, gas shortages,...Like it's the 70s again. The 70s weren't exactly America's golden age, considering it led to the 80s, and we've been trying to recover from that nonsense ever since.

    There is just about no 'secret' left to shed light on, except for pragmatic things like where or when things will happen, but the whole mystique of "are they fucking with us?" is completely out the window and proven true to everyone except people who don't want to accept it(read: evil, and it's not the people at top that are evil, it's your neighbor who in the face of evidence still prefers the rule of man over justified law). Our enemy is apathy and ignorance within ourselves. It's bewildering how many of our peers, colleagues, family, friends, have no idea of any current event, besides WEEEEEINERRRR. Talk to them. Remind them they're American, and everything that implies. a lot of the time it's simply an issue of them being overwhelmed with info, or afraid, even if they're in the military. Be kind to them, build them up, lead by example.

    It's interesting to note that every manifesto that calls for a global change calls for a whole bunch of shit to happen across the world at the same time, across many platforms, from: war, to economic problems, to bullshit social problems when there are bigger issues to deal with, to scandals and gossip, to religious changes and focus, and it's all going on now more than possibly ever, so we can think of this as a fairly significant time period. The whole world is in some sort of conflict, and a lot of it is the same types of conflict around the world, with internet issues right at the top with religion and war.

    See what's going on, don't get upset to a point where you lose your peace, don't get violent (let the ones who are trying to hold onto their illegal power do that), and dedicate yourself to living better(wave to people as they walk/bike by your house, and watch them look confused. it's sad). Good living does not mean extravagance, doing as others do, going to work and coming back every day like that's some sort of conquest that excludes you from any other sort of duty("I'm so tired from working in my air conditioned office, can't I just sit here and watch TV? I pay the bills!" Yes, if you're ok with being the reason our world is having problems). Good living means behaving like you deserve your life, friends, family, citizenship(which, back in old societies, had to be earned. You were not a citizen just because you were born in some place).

    We're going to love the people trying to hurt us, and this ends the monster. Love is the Law.

    America has a chance to finally gain its Independence. The confidence i feel is indescribable. Smile at the storm, cause HERE COMES DA SUN DOODOODOODOO HERE COMES THE SON WHEN I SAAAAY, "IT'S ALRIGHT" doodoodoodoo doodoodoo doodoodoo doodoodoodoodoodoodoodoo

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    So are internet freedom groups going to finally grow up and start a super pac and get some lobbyists? It shouldn't be that hard to get more funds for lobbying efforts than what the MPAA,RIAA have combined plus more for preventing stuff like this and NSA spying.
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