Allright,

I am constantly asking questions about Black Hat and until 4 weeks ago I thought that SEO was a misspelled version of Chief Executive Officer. I want to give back to the community and since I can't help with SEO, I will help out with my area of expertise: fitness and weight training.

Ok, so who am I? Natural lifter who has put over 3 wheels (315lbs) over his head (no, not bench pressed, actually put it over my head), can power clean more than 99.9% of what any gym people can do, have deadlifted 550lbs at a body weight of 180lbs (over 3x body weight), have competed in weightlifting, have had a six pack with veins everywhere and got a lot of pussy for that. Bla bla bla let's stop the dicksizing and get to the point.

This, my friends, is the reality of weight training, gaining muscle, losing fat, getting in shape and all that. Simple and beautiful:

1) You need to lift heavy weights to gain muscle AND to lose fat.

2) On the above, do compound exercises: squats, deadlifts, power cleans, presses, rows. Even if you just want to look good to get pussy.

3) Isolation exercises should be the icing on the cake, if at all. Concentrate on Point 2.

4) Fuck supplements.

5) Be extremely skeptic of very muscular people giving out advice: the fitness industry thrives on taking steroids then selling supplements or training advice. It actually parallels much of the business model that IM or SEO con-artists follow.

6) Bodybuilding.com is the biggest joke of a place to get fitness advice, avoid at all costs. Full of steroid users who disguise their use saying that eating 8 times a day got them there (LOLZ). PM for good online forums (I am not affiliated to any).

7) A good training routine? The Strongest Shall Survive. Starting Strength is overrated but works, Madcow is good too. Just freaking emphasize getting stronger over time, muscle and looking good will come.

8) Nutrition is overrated. Just eat anything that used to walk or swim, get some healthy fish oils in, eat a lot of fruits and veggies.

9) Eat at least twice a day. Please, don't be the sad soul carrying around his tupperware everywhere so he can eat every 2 hours.

10) On Point 4, ok, you can take some multi-vitamin, cheap whey protein, vitamin C, zinc, calcium and magnesium (avoid the oxide forms). Take some creatine if you feel "hardcore" brah. Fuck the rest of supplements.

11) You don't want to lose WEIGHT, you want to lose FAT.

12) To lose fat, do plenty of dinner table push-aways. 99% of the times, you got fat cos you eat like a pig.

13) The truth about abs? Shortcuts to abs? They are all a scam. You want the truth? Really? Freaking hard work: heavy compound and ab exercises, get strong, eat less. Do that for a long enough time. Bang, you got abs. You will need anywhere from 3 to 12 months to get abs if you follow this advice and you are not lean.

14) Read again, there are no shortcuts. No shortcuts for abs, no shortcuts for muscle, no shortcuts to look good naked (unless you want to take shitloads of steroids, clenbuterol and liothyronine). Hard freaking consistent work over the long-term.

15) If you join a gym, don't be the pencilneck bro with a wifebeater and a Westside cap doing bicep curls in front of the mirror. They make fun of this sort of people on online forums.

That's it, feel free to ask if you need help.

Take care.

Whoahhhh, sick read!

Post a pic of yourself (no homo)

I'm wanting to start, but only weigh like 65kg, which is fk all. Got any tips on putting on weight? What about supps to gain mass?

I'm going for a ripped physique, not a arnie status haha.

Originally Posted by miansc

Whoahhhh, sick read!

Post a pic of yourself (no homo)

I'm wanting to start, but only weigh like 65kg, which is fk all. Got any tips on putting on weight? What about supps to gain mass?

I'm going for a ripped physique, not a arnie status haha.

No pics of me, I'm afraid. I've done it all, ballooned up to 225lbs and cut down to an 8 pack, at 185lbs with a six pack I feel my best. I am not trying to sell you my advice, my site nor my "click on my link" so you will have to take my word for it (if you want to).

A ripped physique is actually not that difficult to build. The difficult thing is getting big without getting fat and without touching steroids or prohormones (many years of dedicated training). Whoever tells you otherwise is lying to you in your face and has secondary intentions (this is very real in commercial fitness/bodybuilding forums).

To put on weight, do my Point 2. Get a decent routine, work hard. Try to get to the following as fats as possible:

- Benchpressing 1.5x body weight (about 110kgs for you)

- Deadlifting 2x body weight

-Squatting 1.75x body weight. Please, no quater squats, go AT LEAST down to parallel.

That will build muscle, from there onwards, it is auto-pilot going day in and day out to the gym to continue building muscle. Think of it in yearly blocks, not months.

Supplements for muscle mass? What I said above, go with creatine if you want to gain some weight fast (albeit it is not muscle but just intra-muscular water retention). The only supplements that work to gain a lot of muscle are steroids but hey, no one selling you "Nitric Oxide Pump-Aholic" wants to tell you their dirty little secret.

cheers for the advice, mate. I don't think i'll be training anytime soon this year, fuck all time. So in the mean time I'm just going to keep putting on weight and doing cardio.

got skype?

They say you lose weight if you do a lot of cardio , true or false??
How the hell do you motivate yourself???

Originally Posted by virtualc08

They say you lose weight if you do a lot of cardio , true or false??
How the hell do you motivate yourself???

Well of course, because you're burning fat. But, let's wait to see what OP says

Originally Posted by miansc

cheers for the advice, mate. I don't think i'll be training anytime soon this year, fuck all time. So in the mean time I'm just going to keep putting on weight and doing cardio.

got skype?

Go easy with putting on weight without touching weights. Fat gain is unhealthy, especially if you are over 30. Make sure your waist doesn't go over 36 inches in circumference.

No Skype sorry. I rather post my advice here so everyone can benefit from it. I am willing to have a SEO buddy who can help me with SEO and I help him with whatever fitness. Just a friendly relationship, no strings attached, no money involved and altruist in nature, and via email.

Originally Posted by virtualc08

They say you lose weight if you do a lot of cardio , true or false??
How the hell do you motivate yourself???

Cardio is overrated. You lose weight by using more calories than you ingest. You can use more calories by doing cardio, doing weights or even having sex. The best way to lose FAT is via doing heavy compound exercises, some cardio and having a solid diet creating a caloric deficit. If you do this, you are guaranteed getting abs without losing musch (if any) muscle mass.

I motivate myself because I love lifting weights. If you don't enjoy what you do, you will not be motivated to do it. Find out why you want to do this, it is not for everyone. Draw parallelisms with SEO, do you love SEO? What motivates you to spend hours in front of the screen doing SEO? Maybe banging hot chicks motivates you to improve your body, so everytime you hit the gym, think that you are a step closer to baging 9s instead of 4s.

Originally Posted by Bisturi

Go easy with putting on weight without touching weights. Fat gain is unhealthy, especially if you are over 30. Make sure your waist doesn't go over 36 inches in circumference.

No Skype sorry. I rather post my advice here so everyone can benefit from it. I am willing to have a SEO buddy who can help me with SEO and I help him with whatever fitness. Just a friendly relationship, no strings attached, no money involved and altruist in nature, and via email.




Cardio is overrated. You lose weight by using more calories than you ingest. You can use more calories by doing cardio, doing weights or even having sex. The best way to lose FAT is via doing heavy compound exercises, some cardio and having a solid diet creating a caloric deficit. If you do this, you are guaranteed getting abs without losing musch (if any) muscle mass.

I motivate myself because I love lifting weights. If you don't enjoy what you do, you will not be motivated to do it. Find out why you want to do this, it is not for everyone. Draw parallelisms with SEO, do you love SEO? What motivates you to spend hours in front of the screen doing SEO? Maybe banging hot chicks motivates you to improve your body, so everytime you hit the gym, think that you are a step closer to baging 9s instead of 4s.

Man I love this guy! haha, speaks like me and my mates do.

pm me mate, we ca help each other

I weigh about 60-70 kg.

Currently about a 4 pack, did have a 6 before from just doing 50 push ups / sit ups 3 times per day. No gym, lol.

Got a daily work at home excercise routine for me?

Originally Posted by Leith

I weigh about 60-70 kg.

Currently about a 4 pack, did have a 6 before from just doing 50 push ups / sit ups 3 times per day. No gym, lol.

Got a daily work at home excercise routine for me?

We all have six packs, they are just covered by a layer of fat. If your body fat is low enough, you will have a six pack because the muscles are there already. You can get an even sicker six pack by hitting the abdominal wall with heavy smart exercises (no endless crunches please) but anyone lean enough will have a six pack.

I could look into a home exercise routine for you but I am writing an article for my site right now so can't be devoting too much time. What do you have access to at home?

Why on earth anyone want sto "body build" is beyond me. It looks awful. Heave weights/protein/steroids.why? To look like a gorilla?

But fitness training and lean looks good!

The best physiques a guy should aim for is something like Brad Pitts/ Tom Cruise/ William Defoe etc....Lean and fit..not bulk muscle.

Good diet, some light weights and lots of cardio I.M.H.O.

80/20 i was told. 80% diet 20% exercise but it will tone you and get your natural fitness up.

They say you lose weight if you do a lot of cardio , true or false??
How the hell do you motivate yourself???

Originally Posted by Bisturi

Cardio is overrated. You lose weight by using more calories than you ingest. You can use more calories by doing cardio, doing weights or even having sex. The best way to lose FAT is via doing heavy compound exercises, some cardio and having a solid diet creating a caloric deficit. If you do this, you are guaranteed getting abs without losing musch (if any) muscle mass.

The cardio before breakfast can really help you for losing some fat. I eat egg whites before the cardio, because the body is hungry in the morning and i have to safe my muscle mass during the cardio process. I know bodybuilders which lose all the weight just with heavy compund exercises, but the training sessions are really hard and i dont think a newbie can handle them. The heavy exercises are must have for any losing weight plan, because the muscle mass burn more calories during the entire day.

By the way i agree with all points in OP. Point 2 is the most important factor in any training routine. Squats and deadlifts are essential for muscle mass building and losing weight.

Originally Posted by stressfree

Why on earth anyone want sto "body build" is beyond me. It looks awful. Heave weights/protein/steroids.why? To look like a gorilla?

But fitness training and lean looks good!

The best physiques a guy should aim for is something like Brad Pitts/ Tom Cruise/ William Defoe etc....Lean and fit..not bulk muscle.

Good diet, some light weights and lots of cardio I.M.H.O.

anyone can get 'lean' like those hollywood wannabees.

try body building, it's pushing your self beyond limits, and training hard. why? sense of accomplishment? i dunno.

protein? lol, everyone needs it regardless of whether you're trying to look like a gorilla or not.

and you clearly didn't read op, he states that he hates anything to do with drugs to enhance you're body building

Originally Posted by stressfree

Why on earth anyone want sto "body build" is beyond me. It looks awful. Heave weights/protein/steroids.why? To look like a gorilla?

But fitness training and lean looks good!

The best physiques a guy should aim for is something like Brad Pitts/ Tom Cruise/ William Defoe etc....Lean and fit..not bulk muscle.

Good diet, some light weights and lots of cardio I.M.H.O.

No offense bro, but you have no idea about what are you talking about. First off all EVERY man have to be strong. Phisique like Tom Cruise? He look like a funny gnome. Brad Pitt look good, but he is training HARD. There is not any connection between his body and the cardio. All good bodies (even female) are created via heavy weight training. The light weights do nothing...And the cardio is situational solution.

The regular male body shoud look like Alistair:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1dIE...eature=related

Originally Posted by GunzZ

No offense bro, but you have no idea about what are you talking about. First off all EVERY man have to be strong. Phisique like Tom Cruise? He look like a funny gnome. Brad Pitt look good, but he is training HARD. There is not any connection between his body and the cardio. All good bodies (even female) are created via heavy weight training. The light weights do nothing...And the cardio is situational solution.

The regular male body shoud look like Alistair:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1dIE...eature=related

I think stressfree might have been referring to body builders like these guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3GB0zkU5Kw

Originally Posted by stressfree

Why on earth anyone want sto "body build" is beyond me. It looks awful. Heave weights/protein/steroids.why? To look like a gorilla?

But fitness training and lean looks good!

The best physiques a guy should aim for is something like Brad Pitts/ Tom Cruise/ William Defoe etc....Lean and fit..not bulk muscle.

Good diet, some light weights and lots of cardio I.M.H.O.

Do not get blinded by professional bodybuilders who live and breathe bodybuilding (including heavy steroid use). Natural bodybuilding is a great activity that emphasizes health too. Unfortunately these days, natural bodybuilding has become corrupted but take a look at lifters from the 40s and 50s who didnt take steroids because they were not available. They emphasized health and lifting heavy to have a vigorous physique.

Also, light training will get you nowhere other than newbie gains. Once you are over the newbie gains (3 months), you need to continually lift heavy to gain muscle. Trust me in that any average joe would look more attractive to any women with an extra 10-15 of muscle and a body fat below 12%.

This is Arthur Saxon. Oldschool bodybuilder who didn't touch steroids, lifted heavy and emphasized health. Give him a hipster bro haircut, place him on the dancefloor of a nightclub without a shirt and watch how the women throw their panties at him.

Originally Posted by stressfree

80/20 i was told. 80% diet 20% exercise but it will tone you and get your natural fitness up.

Bla bla bla. Another myth perpetuated by those trying to sell you supplements. Worry about lifting heavy weights and getting stronger while eating a basic diet made up of meat, veggies, fruits, buts and some whole grain stuff. No need to make it complicated and throw in silly ratios or %s.

Some sound advice.

Although on point 15 I believe mirrors are great to look at your technique in. At first I thought they were for arrogant pri*ks to look at themselves in and yes a lot do. My point is it helps me keep my balance and technique when doing certain exercises.

Have you never been tempted with steroids/prohormones? A lots of people I know hit a brick wall after years of training and have no other option to get gains naturally. I heard of something new out there called SARMS, it looks great but no one knows the long term sides...

Actually steroids were invented in the 1930's by Soviet Scientists,so who knows who was using back in the 40's. And by the 1950's even the U.S. weightlifting Olympic team was juicing.

Seems as though you have made the post out of spite of Mike Changs six pack shortcuts, he is a great marketer but as the OP has said there are no shortcuts. I am lucky enough to have an 8 pack but it's taken 3 years of absolute dedication to get it. Good post OP nice to see the lounge populated with some fitness advice.

Originally Posted by Roparadise

Actually steroids were invented in the 1930's by Soviet Scientists,so who knows who was using back in the 40's. And by the 1950's even the U.S. weightlifting Olympic team was juicing.

Mmm, yeah, because the Soviets in the 30s would have shared their secrets with the West in an era where they communicated via internet and satellite, right?

They were initially used for wound recovery from war and their manufacture was minimal with no knowledge of the side effects of "getting stronger". It was the late 60s that saw its introduction to the guys in the West.

You can rest assured that anyone training in the 40s and less were clean, I'd even say in the 50s but whatever, take a look at the guys and the literature in the 30s, they trained the same way that programs such as The Strongest Shall Survive or Starting Strength claim. Fullbody, heavy weights, compound exercies, 2 to 4 times per week. No secrets as con-artists would have you believe.

Simple.

Originally Posted by cecle

Seems as though you have made the post out of spite of Mike Changs six pack shortcuts, he is a great marketer but as the OP has said there are no shortcuts. I am lucky enough to have an 8 pack but it's taken 3 years of absolute dedication to get it. Good post OP nice to see the lounge populated with some fitness advice.

I made this thread to give back to the community and help others. Naturally, I have seen Mike Changs videos and it is entertaining to see this guy get so much popularity with his shenanigans. For fucks sake, he tells you to build your shoulders with fluffy dumbbells and towel rows, yeah, cos he got those muscles doing that

An Asian friend of mine who looks like him did a cycle of M1T back when it was legal (prohormones, 2004 where I live). He gained 15lbs of muscle and he was a bench press bro (185lbs on bench press and did quarter squats on the smith machine with 135lbs). If you are a good reponder to AAS (which is genetically dependant), you can gain much without putting any real work in the gym. Then, if you want to make money, you claim to know the secrets to getting a six pack or gaining muscle. Or you tell people that supplement X and Y did it.

cardio helps burn fat sure, but the reason you should really jog is to keep your heart healthy and circulation good. Look up HIIT thats what you want to be doing in my opinion

Good tips mate, Although not all tips on bodybuilding forum are useless. There is some decent guides on there to.

Firstly, to say bodybuilders of the 50s didn't juice is naive, steroids have been around for ages; and professional bodybuilders through the 50s-70s juiced like crazy.

Secondly, bb.com isn't a joke - there are a lot of excellent tips on that site, as long as you stay away from the misc; their advice is pretty solid.

Nutrition is not overrated; without a proper diet; good luck getting abs, gaining weight and achieving your muscle building goals. I find if I eat twice a day, I lose weight I gain on 5 meals a day; you need to it your caloric intake to gain that includes your fats, proteins and carbs.

I agree with you on the abs comment; however it isn't a matter of eating less; it's a matter of eating cleaner. Honestly; abs are one of those muscle groups where we all have them but some of us can bring them out easier. Lowering your body fat is a key step and so are compound exercises; for me personally I have a 4-6 pack year round and have never worked abs, simple heavy compounds (don't refer to my avi that was a year and a half ago).

As far as scaling up the weight, make sure your form is correct, thrusting a 100kg bench press up for 3 isn't going to make your chest grow; but correct form 80kg for 6-8 will.

I'm not trying to degrade you, just adding my input and personal experiences.

Originally Posted by Bisturi

Mmm, yeah, because the Soviets in the 30s would have shared their secrets with the West in an era where they communicated via internet and satellite, right?

They were initially used for wound recovery from war and their manufacture was minimal with no knowledge of the side effects of "getting stronger". It was the late 60s that saw its introduction to the guys in the West.

You can rest assured that anyone training in the 40s and less were clean, I'd even say in the 50s but whatever, take a look at the guys and the literature in the 30s, they trained the same way that programs such as The Strongest Shall Survive or Starting Strength claim. Fullbody, heavy weights, compound exercies, 2 to 4 times per week. No secrets as con-artists would have you believe.

Simple.

It was actually isolated in the 1930's but synethised for muscle growth in the 1940's.

The development of muscle-building properties of testosterone was pursued in the 1940s, in the Soviet Union and in Eastern Bloc countries such as East Germany, where steroid programs were used to enhance the performance of Olympic and other amateur weight lifters. In response to the success of Russian weightlifters, the U.S. Olympic Team physician Dr. John Ziegler worked with synthetic chemists to develop an anabolic steroid with reduced androgenic effects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaboli..._synthetic_AAS

Originally Posted by Roparadise

It was actually isolated in the 1930's but synethised for muscle growth in the 1940's.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaboli..._synthetic_AAS

So what? Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information and the only citation to steroids being used for bodybuilding purposes cannot be accessed and it is a mere letter posted on a magazine.

As far as I can remember, the first time that anyone involved in weightlifting spoke out about being offered steroids was Paul Anderson in the early 60s. I would have to dig on this but it is probably on Ditillos' blog.

Originally Posted by danielgb123

Firstly, to say bodybuilders of the 50s didn't juice is naive, steroids have been around for ages; and professional bodybuilders through the 50s-70s juiced like crazy.

Secondly, bb.com isn't a joke - there are a lot of excellent tips on that site, as long as you stay away from the misc; their advice is pretty solid.

Nutrition is not overrated; without a proper diet; good luck getting abs, gaining weight and achieving your muscle building goals. I find if I eat twice a day, I lose weight I gain on 5 meals a day; you need to it your caloric intake to gain that includes your fats, proteins and carbs.

First, it is not naive. Steroid use was documented throughout the 60s, before that, who knows? If you know of actual documentation for this purpose, even if it is hearsay by actual weightlifters, I'd love to hear about it. Until then, they are innocent until proven otherwise.

bb.com is a joke. It is a joke because steroid use is not allowed to be talked about (it used to be in its earlier beginnings). It is full of miscers idolizing Zyzz, who coincidentally built himself on steroids, then denied its use, made money on it, and then died (I didn't like him but I felt sad for the bad news). There are much better forums out there were steroid talk is allowed thus everyone, especially newbies, can get their facts straight on what is doable naturally and enhanced.

Nutrition is simple. Get your macros whatever way and create a deficit. My post is aimed at newbies into fitness who want to look good. Of course, if you are a professional bodybuilder, by all means, carry your tupperware with 157 grams of boiled chicken, 312 grams of brown rice and your gallon bottle of water everywhere.

Originally Posted by Bisturi

First, it is not naive. Steroid use was documented throughout the 60s, before that, who knows? If you know of actual documentation for this purpose, even if it is hearsay by actual weightlifters, I'd love to ehar about it. Until then, they are innocent until proven otherwise.

bb.com is a joke. It is a joke because steroid use is not allowed to be talked about (it used to be in its earlier beginnings). It is full of miscers idolizing Zyzz, who coincidentally built himself on steroids, then denied its use, made money on it, and then died (I didn't like him but I felt sad for the bad news). There are much better forums out there was steroid talk is allowed thus everyone, especially newbies, can get their facts straight on to what or not to achieve.

So can you honestly tell me you prefer or even idolize a physique such as that of Arthur Saxon? Particularly in that picture? If I'd have trained 'many years' I sure wouldn't I'd expect and in fact can show more for my work than that physique.

Zyzz didn't deny his use of steroids, in fact he openly admitted it on the forums (unless you are speaking of initially). And so what if the guy made money on it? Business is business; if there's an opportunity - you take it.

I'm not sure if I understood your last sentence correctly, however I hope you're not saying people should be told what to achieve and then maintain; it's perfectly within your own right to determine you have reached a level in which you are content with your body - some never reach it.

Haha, and no worries mate; I will
Don't forget tuna and green beans though - boiled eggs, salmon, lean beef, kangaroo - the list goes on!

Originally Posted by danielgb123

So can you honestly tell me you prefer or even idolize a physique such as that of Arthur Saxon? Particularly in that picture? If I'd have trained 'many years' I sure wouldn't I'd expect and in fact can show more for my work than that physique.

Zyzz didn't deny his use of steroids, in fact he openly admitted it on the forums (unless you are speaking of initially). And so what if the guy made money on it? Business is business; if there's an opportunity - you take it.

I'm not sure if I understood your last sentence correctly, however I hope you're not saying people should be told what to achieve and then maintain; it's perfectly within your own right to determine you have reached a level in which you are content with your body - some never reach it.

Haha, and no worries mate; I will
Don't forget tuna and green beans though - boiled eggs, salmon, lean beef, kangaroo - the list goes on!

Zyzz did deny his steroid use, particularly because his brother got busted selling steroids and an Australian newspaper wrote a article on him, Zyzz, being involved with steroids. He then denied his use of steroids on a letter to the newspaper. He also removed all his posts and images pointing to steroid use, including one where he had someone else pinning him on the glute . Sadly, now that he is dead, his brother who is a crook is still trying to monetize on Zyzz's image. And by all means, I think Zyzz did the right thing with making money off it.

My last sentence is about one, especially a newbie, being able to decide what he wants to achieve but only if what he retrieves as information is honest and objective, and not skewed as it is on forums such as bb.com. A newbie is easily fooled by someone with 18 inch arms and 8% bodyfat. It would be much easier if said individual let him know that he was on 600mgs of test enanthate and 100mcgs of liothyronine with some clen. Otherwise, the newbie will hit his head plenty of times against the wall because he still has 16 inch arms and 16% body fat after three years while his idol got his 18 inch gunz in less time.

Well, i never did some real suff for more than 3 months, every time something happens and throw me off my schedule, then come the excuses and i leave the gym again.

But i know for a fact that eating helps a lot, on my last try i decided to eat better, almost no soda, fried stuff and junk food, it was noticeable the difference on the second week.

I'm going to try again this year, lets see if i can pass this barrier and finally get back in the shape i had when i was younger.

Black hat method:

get muscle: winstrol + primobolan
get fat loss: clenbuterol + proviron

Say hello to a model body. ^_^

Originally Posted by tharako

Black hat method:

get muscle: winstrol + primobolan
get fat loss: clenbuterol + proviron

Say hello to a model body. ^_^

Add in some 2,4-Dinitrophenol to "fat loss" for even faster results. Also, clenbuterol is overrated, get yourself some liothyronine pronto.

You may die though.

I thought that SEO was a misspelled version of Chief Executive Officer.

Okay, that made my day.

Damn I didn't know Zyzz was that well known in the states.

He was a steroid user, no doubt. Ironic that he died in a country where that shit is easily obtained?

Very informative and helpful.

Yeah Duh ok Bozo.........Who mad ethe "authority"?

try body building, it's pushing your self beyond limits, and training hard. why? sense of accomplishment? i dunno.

Those hollywood stars are stars for a reason....carry on lifting big weights, looking like a f*** freak and injecting the steroids....So you can all compare "male tits" in the mirror. Accomplish what?

Seriously...you look (bodybuilders) f**** awful!!!!! And women who do it......Man it's ugly.

I do Army training a couple of times a week no weights...I'll bet not one body builder could do the stuff we have to do.

Body builders.....seriously lacking in someting so thay make it up on the muscle. Sad really.

ok so 1 minute all suplements are B*S* next this...so ?

get muscle: winstrol + primobolan
get fat loss: clenbuterol + proviron

Add in some 2,4-Dinitrophenol to "fat loss" for even faster results. Also, clenbuterol is overrated, get yourself some liothyronine pronto.

EXACTLY.....what is the point in looking like that? I do not get it. I'd be emberassed to have a body like that.

I think stressfree might have been referring to body builders like these guys

Agreed with OP, not that I'm huge, but I find it much easier to maintain my physique as I get older by lifting heavy weights...if some of you find that intimidating, start doing it with a smith, hammerstrength, universal machine...just load it up and see if you can budge it...work your way down until you can and stay on that poundage. obviously, don't try that with freeweights unless you have a spotter.

another thing to try for a good musclebuilding + cardio workout is supersets: do a major upper body exercise followed immediately by a major lower body exercise...i.e. bench press then squat...i've been told that one reason this gets your heart rate way up is because your heart has to pump tons of blood into your upper body first, then do the same thing to your lower body...that isn't an easy job.

OP, just curious, have you ever tried static contractions? i used to do that about 5-6 years ago and then quit because i tweaked my back doing a 1/4 squat, but i was lifting very heavy (which is the point of the S.C. program)...as i remember, i was getting really good gains back then and eating plenty of protein. man, i need to start hitting the gym more often...thanks for the post.

Originally Posted by christianbed

Agreed with OP, not that I'm huge, but I find it much easier to maintain my physique as I get older by lifting heavy weights...if some of you find that intimidating, start doing it with a smith, hammerstrength, universal machine...just load it up and see if you can budge it...work your way down until you can and stay on that poundage. obviously, don't try that with freeweights unless you have a spotter.

another thing to try for a good musclebuilding + cardio workout is supersets: do a major upper body exercise followed immediately by a major lower body exercise...i.e. bench press then squat...i've been told that one reason this gets your heart rate way up is because your heart has to pump tons of blood into your upper body first, then do the same thing to your lower body...that isn't an easy job.

OP, just curious, have you ever tried static contractions? i used to do that about 5-6 years ago and then quit because i tweaked my back doing a 1/4 squat, but i was lifting very heavy (which is the point of the S.C. program)...as i remember, i was getting really good gains back then and eating plenty of protein. man, i need to start hitting the gym more often...thanks for the post.

Sorry to bump this thread. Just saw your question about static contractions.

I don't think much of stuff like that. Perhaps shorter range high overload exercises such as quarter squats off pins with an extra 200lbs may have some benefit but IMO, nothing beats full range free weights such as full squats, cleans, deadlifts, bench presses, military presses or heavy barbell rows. Likewise, static contractions can fry your CNS and they are difficult to measure in terms of progress.

Keep your protein up when hitting the weights, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by stressfree

ok so 1 minute all suplements are B*S* next this...so ?

Dude, it was tongue in cheek. DNP is a very dangerous substance that has killed naive bodybuilders in the past (especially in the 90's when it was all the shizzle).