Originally Posted by bertbaby

Agreed but the most aggressive plan is not usually the most sustainable but instead tends to be bursty in terms of overall revenue generation. Large companies rely on sustained growth.

Wayne Huizenga used to pay commission only with a draw for his sales people and he ran a few large companies when he was active in business.

I've only been involved in a couple of very large companies so my knowledge is limited but I know how Wayne operated back in the day.

There are telemarketing jobs you can do from home, and you can also join an article writing site. If you are white, you can try teaching English via an online video site.

Originally Posted by MikeHustle

If you are white, you can try teaching English via an online video site.

lolwut...

What does being white have to do with anything?

Originally Posted by BassTrackerBoats

Wayne Huizenga used to pay commission only with a draw for his sales people and he ran a few large companies when he was active in business.

I've only been involved in a couple of very large companies so my knowledge is limited but I know how Wayne operated back in the day.

After I wrote that response there is another consideration called runway, that is how long is the sales cycle for a given product as well. Some products, particularly for enterprise e-commerce, take for ever to close the deal. Your sales staff would be long gone before any deals could be closed on a strictly commission basis.

None of this helps the OP; that he has to do himself.

Originally Posted by trooper

if it wasn't a SCAM A-hole, then why don't you actually use it yourself to get an "at-home" job?

Especially since you got fired because you "had no way to get to work"

Face it your "Big Plan" is to scam the unemployed. LOSER

Fuk off and leave the guy alone you kunt.

Time for a dose of reality.
Too many people sugar coat and blow smoke up people's asses, which is why I think so many people here fail.

No one is going to buy articles you write. Your grammar and spelling are terrible. On top of that if you can't keep a call center job because it's too boring, I'm sure you'll get tired of writing after about two articles.

If you were going out 14 hours a day and not making a dollar, you are a poor salesman, period.

If you lost your job because you "couldn't afford" to get to work, that means you're lazy. It means you didn't give two shits about keeping that job. I know a guy that lucked out, he was from Cuba and married a girl here. So he got out of there and moved here. I live in a city of about 800,000. It takes about 20minutes to drive across the city. Well this Cuban needed a job, and one of the first company's to hire him was across the city. He doesn't have a license, doesn't have a car. He takes the bus. Our tranist system is shit. It takes him over two hours to get to work on the bus, and he's more than happy to do it... for minimum wage. I bet you not once, did it cross his mind not to go to work because he "couldn't afford" to get there.

Obviously being broke and jobless doesn't really bother you that much, or you would have kept this one or one of the telemarketing jobs.

I don't mean to be mean, but you don't appear to have much of an education, so you aren't exactly in a position to pick and choose, and wait till you find your dream job that's going to pay you $30/hr doing something you love.

If you have some online plans, that's great. But that means you have to suck it up, work some shithole job in the mean time to make even a bit of money.

Originally Posted by jon_xx_x

Time for a dose of reality.
Too many people sugar coat and blow smoke up people's asses, which is why I think so many people here fail.

No one is going to buy articles you write. Your grammar and spelling are terrible. On top of that if you can't keep a call center job because it's too boring, I'm sure you'll get tired of writing after about two articles.

If you were going out 14 hours a day and not making a dollar, you are a poor salesman, period.

If you lost your job because you "couldn't afford" to get to work, that means you're lazy. It means you didn't give two shits about keeping that job. I know a guy that lucked out, he was from Cuba and married a girl here. So he got out of there and moved here. I live in a city of about 800,000. It takes about 20minutes to drive across the city. Well this Cuban needed a job, and one of the first company's to hire him was across the city. He doesn't have a license, doesn't have a car. He takes the bus. Our tranist system is shit. It takes him over two hours to get to work on the bus, and he's more than happy to do it... for minimum wage. I bet you not once, did it cross his mind not to go to work because he "couldn't afford" to get there.

Obviously being broke and jobless doesn't really bother you that much, or you would have kept this one or one of the telemarketing jobs.

I don't mean to be mean, but you don't appear to have much of an education, so you aren't exactly in a position to pick and choose, and wait till you find your dream job that's going to pay you $30/hr doing something you love.

If you have some online plans, that's great. But that means you have to suck it up, work some shithole job in the mean time to make even a bit of money.

wow, thats quite a conclusion you came to, to go as far as calling me "uneducated" lol. you dont know me from a hole in the wall and dont have a clue as to how much i know. so please dont judge me on some grammatical errors in a forum. if i choose to not proofread what i write on a forum while typing at 80wpm does not mean that is the same way i type if i am writing something to be presented on a business class level. maybe your right and its not the best choice for an article writing gig, but my worth is more then your putting me out to be and i dont think proving it to you is even worth my time.

The reason i lost my job is not only because i couldn't afford to go there , but if i was to walk to manhattan from lower brooklyn (2-3 hr walk) i would then have to walk to another borough (queens or bronx) which would be another 2-3 hours off of my work sched on the field i lose and a total of 4-6 hours in total from my regular work day, leaving me what? 2 hours to knock door to door ?... i hope you understand a little more as to why i didn't go in...

I wasn't trying to be rude... just telling the truth. And I'm not judging, nor was I trying to put you down. I just meant there aren't a lot of opportunities out there without proper education. I have my high school, but that's it. I've worked online all my life, but if I had to apply for a job, I wouldn't expect anything special because of my lack of education as well.

I type 80wpm too, as do probably three quarters of this forum. Whether you proofread or not, it would translate to your article writing, and take you way too long to make it profitable.

Why did you take this job if you had no way of getting there? How did you get there other days?

Originally Posted by jon_xx_x

I wasn't trying to be rude... just telling the truth. And I'm not judging, nor was I trying to put you down. I just meant there aren't a lot of opportunities out there without proper education. I have my high school, but that's it. I've worked online all my life, but if I had to apply for a job, I wouldn't expect anything special because of my lack of education as well.

I type 80wpm too, as do probably three quarters of this forum. Whether you proofread or not, it would translate to your article writing, and take you way too long to make it profitable.

Why did you take this job if you had no way of getting there? How did you get there other days?

Because i had an unlimited bus pass at first and expected to get paid by the time i would need to renew it but turns out the expected payment period was much after i expected.

I had to sit and reassess the time i put into the job and ask myself if i can be more profitable doing something else which I'm sure i can if i put that amount of hours into other online ventures i used to dabble in. There's more factors other then not just being able to get there on time that made me come to the decision that I was no longer going to work with them.

Originally Posted by Gallard0

Fuk off and leave the guy alone you kunt.

I'll do what I want loser, STFU noob

He's the one now saying he didn't "lose the job" as the title reads, but actually just quit. He says in the first post that he is "really thinking of doing some not legal stuff with some of these IM things i learned over these years for some short term capital" - which he later says is "blasting craigslist" for a work at home CPA offer which we all know is 99% scam for the poor desperate fool who thinks they can get a job that way. When I called it a scam, he proceeds to tell me it's legit because he gets money from it. Hey fool, I know it's not a scam FOR YOU, but for the desperate person trying to live off it.

All he is doing is fishing for ideas and looking for attention - too lazy to work/keep a job for more than a few weeks, too lazy to succeed, too lazy to get his own ideas

have fun with your "not legal stuff" - your words, not mine

Originally Posted by trooper

I'll do what I want loser, STFU noob

He's the one now saying he didn't "lose the job" as the title reads, but actually just quit. He says in the first post that he is "really thinking of doing some not legal stuff with some of these IM things i learned over these years for some short term capital" - which he later says is "blasting craigslist" for a work at home CPA offer which we all know is 99% scam for the poor desperate fool who thinks they can get a job that way. When I called it a scam, he proceeds to tell me it's legit because he gets money from it. Hey fool, I know it's not a scam FOR YOU, but for the desperate person trying to live off it.

All he is doing is fishing for ideas and looking for attention - too lazy to work/keep a job for more than a few weeks, too lazy to succeed, too lazy to get his own ideas

have fun with your "not legal stuff" - your words, not mine

no your wrong.

1) blasting CL to promote my work from home NETWORK (which has cpa offers that benefit both me and the referrer) is NOT the "not legal" plan i also had in mind. thats actually a legitimate plan of action as i mentioned b4 you can see for yourself its at onlinepaydaysystem dot net and that is actually part of the marketing program they implement themselves.

2) "quit", "got fired", "resigned" "the building burned down" either way the job is lost.

3) just because someones a "noob" doesn't mean they dont have a right to tell you like it is.

like he said f*ck off bro.

Originally Posted by bertbaby

After I wrote that response there is another consideration called runway, that is how long is the sales cycle for a given product as well. Some products, particularly for enterprise e-commerce, take for ever to close the deal. Your sales staff would be long gone before any deals could be closed on a strictly commission basis.

None of this helps the OP; that he has to do himself.

Like I said, my experience with a huge company was limited. I've personally never had an issue making a very nice living in a commission only environment and I am sure you know much more about that in the Fortune 1000 world... I was only involved with 2 of Wayne's companies and it was only for 6 years on a management level and only saw sales reports and never dealt with a sales person or their needs/goal/pay structure face to face.

Agreed, none of what we are talking about would remotely help the OP and ultimately that is what both of us desire.

OP - you have some very sharp people offering thoughts in this thread, make sure that you take advantage of their thoughts and ideas and I would bet that all of them would be glad to give you some personal insite if you needed it.

Originally Posted by BassTrackerBoats

Like I said, my experience with a huge company was limited. I've personally never had an issue making a very nice living in a commission only environment and I am sure you know much more about that in the Fortune 1000 world... I was only involved with 2 of Wayne's companies and it was only for 6 years on a management level and only saw sales reports and never dealt with a sales person or their needs/goal/pay structure face to face.

Agreed, none of what we are talking about would remotely help the OP and ultimately that is what both of us desire.

OP - you have some very sharp people offering thoughts in this thread, make sure that you take advantage of their thoughts and ideas and I would bet that all of them would be glad to give you some personal insite if you needed it.

Definitely some great insight and really appreciated, but at the same time i'll make sure to stick through to my plans i already had in mind prior to this posting so i dont scramble my thoughts anymore then it already is in my situation. Met some very helpful ppl here too, in the future when i find my own success online i'll make sure to help the same.

Do us a favor, Jon, please keep us update on your success.

That will do 2 things... motivate the community to realize you can succeed as well as give the community to encourage you if things hit a bump in the road for you.

Originally Posted by ardley216

dude! head over to England, the British tax payers enjoy handing out half million pound homes for free, giving them over £30,000 benefits a year... AND you get to watch Jeremy Kyle Show!

BUT.. there's always a catch... they want to cap the benefits at £26,000... so I wouldn;t bother...

This guy is right lol, you for one would be on job seekers allowance and you would get benfits to help with your living costs etc. This all depends on the people around you i.e if you live/rent on your own or have others to support etc.

I think it is alot easier over here to manage without a job. There are plenty of people in the UK that do jack all and scrounge of the taxpayers in one way or another.

Originally Posted by jonvital

im super stressed, just lost another job bcuz i couldn't afford to even get to work smh my plan was to stick it out in any little job while i build some capital to invest in my IM ventures but its not easy and to make it worse its almost impossible to come by a regular job here in NY with normal salary and once again I'm in a financial crisis. arrrrghhh .. really thinking of doing some not legal stuff with some of these IM things i learned over these years for some short term capital

Thats rough I don't blame you for wanting to dip into illegal activity. If you get caught though, your situation will be even worse. Think carefully before you do that.

Can you cut your expenses? Move back with your parents? One positive; 4 jobs in 5 months means you do a really good job at finding them! Lots of people would struggle to find just 1. You are doing something right

Originally Posted by Kickflip

How did you lose the other 3? What is your living situation? How far away was the job? Next job you get, you gotta do anything it takes to get there on time. I know young women who walk alone in the dead of night through the bad part of town in snow storms 1 hour to get to and from work to pay their bills. If you gotta leave 3 hours early to get to work on public transit or something, you gotta do it. Good luck to you.

No way... totally don't recommend that for a young woman. Thats a huge risk; I'd almost advocate being homeless until you found a job where you don't have to walk TO work at night. Living > Paying Bills. Not worth the risk of being attacked. There are services in big cities that drive women to their home at night for free.

Originally Posted by BassTrackerBoats

Do us a favor, Jon, please keep us update on your success.

That will do 2 things... motivate the community to realize you can succeed as well as give the community to encourage you if things hit a bump in the road for you.

definitely, i will keep everyone updated and post my first success story as soon as it comes

Originally Posted by Windmill

Thats rough I don't blame you for wanting to dip into illegal activity. If you get caught though, your situation will be even worse. Think carefully before you do that.

Can you cut your expenses? Move back with your parents? One positive; 4 jobs in 5 months means you do a really good job at finding them! Lots of people would struggle to find just 1. You are doing something right


No way... totally don't recommend that for a young woman. Thats a huge risk; I'd almost advocate being homeless until you found a job where you don't have to walk TO work at night. Living > Paying Bills. Not worth the risk of being attacked. There are services in big cities that drive women to their home at night for free.

Expenses where cut long ago along with moving back in with my relatives .. but i'll be back on me feet and make this only a temp situation

Originally Posted by bertbaby

As other have said IM is pure sales, no base, no safety net, you are truly on your own.

That is no different than being the owner of ANY business. You can get work in IM that pays but owning the company, there is never any guarantee that you will make money. It does not matter if you have a pizza shop, cleaning business or IM. All of it depends on your ability to sell. If you are signing the checks you have no safety net.

I remember one time when I was out of a job - I did day labor to make enough money for gas for my motorcycle (day labor is doing back breaking work like digging ditches, breaking up concrete and any other physical job - all for minimum wage). I did that for a week and then bought some food and gas, shined my shoes and went looking for a better job. I became an assistant bookkeeper because the owner of the business was impressed with my spit shined shoes. Now I'm an IT Sys Admin and working IM as well... looking to eventually work out of my home rather than have the 'other job'. THAT is my 2012 goal - but for that to happen I'm going to have to be debt free, have more than twice my salary in the bank and big time income coming in monthly... but as I said - that is my goal and I expect to do it.

send tons of applications. how many did you send so far? its still possible to get a decent job in ny but sure takes a lot of applications in average. just apply to everything from admin assistant to increase your chances. try to temp at least thats some money right there and increasing your chances. good luck

Hey, i think you should do some online part time jobs through the internet. People who does have too much time to spent in the front of computer usually has the opportunity to earn per hour via freelance sites. Since you are good with articles, I may help you also. But my advice to you is, Search for the job that you like, the one you have passion with, so you wouldn't get stressed and you will be able to think of right ways to execute your work perfectly.

Originally Posted by trooper

I'll do what I want loser, STFU noob

He's the one now saying he didn't "lose the job" as the title reads, but actually just quit. He says in the first post that he is "really thinking of doing some not legal stuff with some of these IM things i learned over these years for some short term capital" - which he later says is "blasting craigslist" for a work at home CPA offer which we all know is 99% scam for the poor desperate fool who thinks they can get a job that way. When I called it a scam, he proceeds to tell me it's legit because he gets money from it. Hey fool, I know it's not a scam FOR YOU, but for the desperate person trying to live off it.

All he is doing is fishing for ideas and looking for attention - too lazy to work/keep a job for more than a few weeks, too lazy to succeed, too lazy to get his own ideas

have fun with your "not legal stuff" - your words, not mine

I agree, all the op jonvital is doing is fishing for ideals because he is to lazy. I mean who would even put their business out here like that might of fact, why? Looking for sympathy and for somebody to spoonfed you?

On top of that he didnt even lose his job, he quit his job. quit fishing.

Put your mind to this and dedicate some time a day and you will see results. heck it took me when i first started about 3 months before I wa smaking 8k a month even tho it was blackhat and short lived

It sounds like you're at rock bottom. If I were you, I'd move straight out of the city and go somewhere rural ( Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama ). Rent a house for $350/month and write articles or do any other mundane task to get some money saved. The trick to life isn't what you make, it's what you can save.

Chin up, bud. Good luck to you.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'll keep this story short. My mom moved to America from India when she was 20. She had no money and had to stay with a random Indian family for the first couple of nights. Then she applied and started to go to university...

...then she got two jobs. She finished one job then walked across the street to the next one. Then she got a 4.0 in grad school. Then she worked for one summer going door to door selling bibles where she worked on commission only. I think it was in the 80's and she made a few thousand bucks (she got lucky she was in the bible belt )

Inspirational... I'm a b!tch compared to my mom..

i read an article somewhere where ppl write erotic stories for the ibooks app and got paid pretty well...

Originally Posted by bitsculpt

It sounds like you're at rock bottom. If I were you, I'd move straight out of the city and go somewhere rural ( Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama ). Rent a house for $350/month and write articles or do any other mundane task to get some money saved. The trick to life isn't what you make, it's what you can save.

Not sure where you plan on him staying, but most houses in the ghetto are more than $350 a month down here, let alone a decent area.

I run a startup in Manhattan and we are always looking for smart people. You can come by for an interview next week. I will reimburse your transit, and if you come around noon, I will buy you lunch.

PM to schedule...

Well don't get caught, it's always better to do unethical but legal stuff. If you do illegal stuff it just causes you to spend more time worrying and less time doing. Trust me the unethical stuff pays well and lets you sleep well.

For such a random thread, this actually turned into a great content read. Look at some of the "big guys" on the forum, and take their advice. Honestly, fantastic pointers.

And taking the non-legal route usually isn't the smart move. It's not legal for a reason, and I'm assuming the punishment of getting caught is going to be a lot more than your current living situation.

As for hopping right into IM; I'm not sure if that's the best move either right now. I would say get a job that can pay the bills, and then build up the IM in your off time. Some people work better under that kind of pressure, but if you haven't made money in it before, are spending a ton of time of a forum, and are distracted by the on-coming bills, the odds are not in your favor. You might be better off getting to a comfortable position first, then go after the IM.

Just my 2 cents. ~englandrm

Originally Posted by jonvital

Expenses where cut long ago along with moving back in with my relatives .. but i'll be back on me feet and make this only a temp situation

At least you have somewhere to stay. You don't any money but you have time on your hands. Stick with your IM plans while at the same time keeping a day job (go and find anything you can), build up the bank roll you need and do it.

You can make it if you have the determination.

Originally Posted by jonvital

i didn't get fired i quit the job

and i have used it myself in the past and it has worked for me but i abandoned that method (for another method which caught my attention).

it isn't a scam the network is called zipnadazilch dot com and they pay daily $20 for each offer the person you refer completes. they have a subprogram where you get $80 for filling out a few offers at at time. so each person you refer you get about $100 payed to you the very next day. the person who referred me makes consistently 1k/weekly with just 10 referrals a week. just letting you know as i said I'm not CL advertising to scam people when I'm showing them the same method i use.

Zipnadazilch is sort of an MLM, which can be very lucrative if you market it right. Try looking into free or cheap advertising, fiverr, solo ads, pay-to-click, etc and you should get the ball rolling on it. Actually, the creglst route doesn't sound half-bad if you really got a good idea for it. Most people you mail will be responsive if you don't scam and just say flat out what it is. Also, do some lead capturing before they hit the landing page, that way you can build a double opt-in while you're at it.

In the meantime, I can give you work if you are a fast article writer. PM me and we'll talk.

Originally Posted by MiLiTARYiV

I agree, all the op jonvital is doing is fishing for ideals because he is to lazy. I mean who would even put their business out here like that might of fact, why? Looking for sympathy and for somebody to spoonfed you?

On top of that he didnt even lose his job, he quit his job. quit fishing.

Put your mind to this and dedicate some time a day and you will see results. heck it took me when i first started about 3 months before I wa smaking 8k a month even tho it was blackhat and short lived

IF you and your buddy don't like the OP and his thread, why keep coming to it, and reply? I mean seriously? Plus if he is putting his business here, so what, maybe his friends etc in the real world are not supportive etc, so? BHW can be another place for him to find guys to chat with, pffff

wait tables ANYWHERE or bar tend

Originally Posted by jonvital

im super stressed, just lost another job bcuz i couldn't afford to even get to work smh my plan was to stick it out in any little job while i build some capital to invest in my IM ventures but its not easy and to make it worse its almost impossible to come by a regular job here in NY with normal salary and once again I'm in a financial crisis. arrrrghhh .. really thinking of doing some not legal stuff with some of these IM things i learned over these years for some short term capital

One of the question you have to ask is why you have been having a high job mortality rate.

You could also consider a move out to other cities / towns with cheaper cost of living if you could. Its the "big apple" so its pretty darn expensive to live there.

Things will be better, just never ever yield to problems!

No, don't do it jonvital it's not working. Keep your head up buddy. It will all work out.

Originally Posted by jonvital

this last job i was working 14 hours a day to go door to door to sign business for energy deregulation for $30 per signup and it wasn't as easy as it sounded , many days without making a dollar and so much mental stress. Im going to give a another job a shot though

Seriously dude, if you can go door to door for 14 hours a day, how many businesses did you get in? How many business owners did you meet in a week?

Now do the same trip you did but sell some SEO or web site re-design for yourself instead of working for someone else. A lot more potential, trust me...

I did door-to-door 22 years ago for 5 weeks selling local business deals like 2 for 1 cards. Fuck it, on one day I got fed up, got into an argument with a stupid boss (I punched him good ), and got back in the next day. He thought I was about to apologise and beg for that stupid job but instead I showed him how I secured a similar deal from a competitor of one of his client. I also hired on the spot 6 people from him. That screwed him good...

All in all, instead of making 60$ a day, I was raking over $300 minimum while working less.

You've proven you're ready to work hard, now it's time to learn how to work smart...

Go do it and come back in this thread in 7 days and tell us how many clients you secured. I<m sue you can do it.

Originally Posted by messiaah

better learn some skills or better education which will get you better jobs .most of the time we are lazy to learn. and few years down the line we regret that we could have done it earlier.

That's what I want to say, but I regret that I spent a lot of money to learn something that I used to think it(I learn some programming language) will be useful, evenly it does nothing to help so far... here I want to add is that, be careful when you make a decision to learn something new...

So far, I Made $40 with ZNZ (not on track to where i want but still progress)

I also made $18.00 profit with offermobi mobile cpa network.

I really want to say thanks for all the people who reached out to help in this difficult time of my life, your thoughts, kind or harsh, is really pushing me to work harder.

I have some big plans in mind that i hope can get me up there with the big dawgs.

-And I'm not doing anything illegal nor plan on doing so, At the time i wrote that i was feeling pretty down n out and just needed an outlet to vent which was BHW.

Originally Posted by jonvital

So far, I Made $40 with ZNZ (not on track to where i want but still progress)

I also made $18.00 profit with offermobi mobile cpa network.

I really want to say thanks for all the people who reached out to help in this difficult time of my life, your thoughts, kind or harsh, is really pushing me to work harder.

I have some big plans in mind that i hope can get me up there with the big dawgs.

-And I'm not doing anything illegal nor plan on doing so, At the time i wrote that i was feeling pretty down n out and just needed an outlet to vent which was BHW.

Glad to hear you are making progress. Sounds to me like you are lacking traffic. I can help you here as well. PM me if you need help scaling.

Originally Posted by socialmediaking

I run a startup in Manhattan and we are always looking for smart people. You can come by for an interview next week. I will reimburse your transit, and if you come around noon, I will buy you lunch.

PM to schedule...

WOW it wont get much better then this. I would hop all on this if I were you

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