I understand what you're saying, but sitting at a computer in a warm room putting up sites and using tools is not 'hard'.

Working down the mines 20 hours a day is hard.

Engineering the latest planes is hard.

Doing a Ph.D is hard.

Proving Fermat's last theorem without Google is hard.

Sitting at a computer putting up wordpress sites is NOT hard.

You say people find it hard to sit at a computer and focus? That's pathetic. I don't buy for one minute half the forum has ADD. Most people on the planet find it hard to study or do work without getting distracted, that is NOT ADD.

Most people need a boss and the threat of getting fired and being on the street to keep them working. So why is it when people are working a job they can do a solid 8-9 hours work? Because they HAVE NO CHOICE. If they slack off they'll get fired, then find themselves unable to pay rent and they'll be on the street.

That's the reality. People don't want money badly enough. They're too comfortable. They'd rather relax, play some games, watch some tv, have some food, read the forums and just imagine that they'll be making money. Why do you think the forum is so full of threads like this:

"What kind of car do you drive?"
"How many web sites do you have?"
"How much money do you make?"
"What's the most you've made in a day?"
"Is it possible to make money?"
"How many of you have been to vegas?"
"My dream of getting an island"

blah blah blah.. This just shows us the mindset of people. Dreamers. They're content with simply dreaming of a better life rather than creating it.

If all the people who fail at IM gave me their address and I turned up every morning with a 12 gauge shotgun and told them that unless they do A, B, C and D before lunch, you can bet they'd do it.

People who REALLY want to succeed, more than they want to watch tv or get an early night act like someone's standing behind them with a shotgun. They have that same drive. There is NO other option. They know what they want and what they have to do.


So I just don't buy this nanny panny bullshit about "oh some people don't find it easy to work". Lazy fuckers. They can either work and make money or GTFO :-)

And as for your last comment, being good or bad at marketing is irrelevant. All that matters is that the person has the drive to succeed, and if they do they'll overcome ANY obstacle, since failure isn't an option.

Originally Posted by businessdad

It might be me, but I don't think any of the things I highlighted fall in the "easy" category. Besides, working 15 hours daily, every day? Maybe when you're 20 and you have nothing better to do! Also, I don't think everybody, whether on this forum or not, want to be a millionaire, and, surely, not "a millionaire at all costs, by any possible mean" (yes, there are people who would play any trick to get money, but they are, or at least should be, a minority).

Finally, the sort of focus you describe is not something one can achieve easily, and some people simply can't focus for so long. Again, it's not "easy", and no, it's not just because "people don't want to" that they have difficulties. Perhaps you have a talent for marketing, good for you; other people just don't have it. Now I'm waiting for someone to reply "if one doesn't have any marketing talent, he/she should gtfo of this forum".

I never quoted such a long post for a reply. OMG!!! Incredible. Mate, I could give you 100 times +4Rep if I could do.

I second every letter, every word, every sentence here 1000 times.!!!

Originally Posted by BlueTurtle

I understand what you're saying, but sitting at a computer in a warm room putting up sites and using tools is not 'hard'.

Working down the mines 20 hours a day is hard.

Engineering the latest planes is hard.

Doing a Ph.D is hard.

Proving Fermat's last theorem without Google is hard.

Sitting at a computer putting up wordpress sites is NOT hard.

You say people find it hard to sit at a computer and focus? That's pathetic. I don't buy for one minute half the forum has ADD. Most people on the planet find it hard to study or do work without getting distracted, that is NOT ADD.

Most people need a boss and the threat of getting fired and being on the street to keep them working. So why is it when people are working a job they can do a solid 8-9 hours work? Because they HAVE NO CHOICE. If they slack off they'll get fired, then find themselves unable to pay rent and they'll be on the street.

That's the reality. People don't want money badly enough. They're too comfortable. They'd rather relax, play some games, watch some tv, have some food, read the forums and just imagine that they'll be making money. Why do you think the forum is so full of threads like this:

"What kind of car do you drive?"
"How many web sites do you have?"
"How much money do you make?"
"What's the most you've made in a day?"
"Is it possible to make money?"
"How many of you have been to vegas?"
"My dream of getting an island"

blah blah blah.. This just shows us the mindset of people. Dreamers. They're content with simply dreaming of a better life rather than creating it.

If all the people who fail at IM gave me their address and I turned up every morning with a 12 gauge shotgun and told them that unless they do A, B, C and D before lunch, you can bet they'd do it.

People who REALLY want to succeed, more than they want to watch tv or get an early night act like someone's standing behind them with a shotgun. They have that same drive. There is NO other option. They know what they want and what they have to do.


So I just don't buy this nanny panny bullshit about "oh some people don't find it easy to work". Lazy fuckers. They can either work and make money or GTFO :-)

And as for your last comment, being good or bad at marketing is irrelevant. All that matters is that the person has the drive to succeed, and if they do they'll overcome ANY obstacle, since failure isn't an option.

hilariously misleading title

Originally Posted by netmaster123

ok so after 7 years doing Internet Marketing and seo and doing the whole build a good website with quality unique content and use Google ads or affiliate links make money online thing I think that I quit!

For all this time I have been adding more and more content, paying writers good money to write for my sites and after all this time I cant make more than $10 bucks a day I do not think that I can do this for any more time.

I mean, Adsense ads pay less and less every year, my websites get traffic but there is no growth and nobody buys from my affiliate links.

I do not know about you guys but I have seen very little success online, I thought I was doing all the right things (quality content and lots of it, seo, social media, good monetization) but now that I own 20+ websites with thousands of unique pages and to see that my stats show $4.29 for the whole freaking day I think I give up.

I mean according to my calculations I should have been making $100+ bucks a day by now and not even make $5 bucks today I think that I am in the wrong business.

I honestly think that its getting harder and harder to make any money online and I do not plan on spending more time chasing a fake dream.

You're doing something wrong if you have 20+ websites with thousands of unique pages. Without knowing the websites, it's impossible to say what the problem is.

What I can tell you is that if you are not making money after 25 articles, STOP! Don't through good money after bad. You would have been better off with 100 micro-sites making $25 a month.

Originally Posted by businessdad

It might be me, but I don't think any of the things I highlighted fall in the "easy" category. Besides, working 15 hours daily, every day? Maybe when you're 20 and you have nothing better to do!

Money motivates! If I was guaranteed $100+ per hour. Yeah. I'm working 15 hours a day. So, 22 working days a month = $33,000. The issue is not working hard. You need the work to pay off!

Originally Posted by BlueTurtle

Sitting at a computer putting up wordpress sites is NOT hard.

And as for your last comment, being good or bad at marketing is irrelevant. All that matters is that the person has the drive to succeed, and if they do they'll overcome ANY obstacle, since failure isn't an option.

Correct! The issue for many people is that they are doing something wrong, and it doesn't matter how many hours they work.

What your doing wrong is paying people to write content and link building. You can't outsource without a suitable income

look - You can use Ping.fm & Hootsuit to get automatic backlinks to your site. Some of your post should snowball if people like it. Submit your rss feeds to as many aggregators as you can find. Focus on social syndication (Learning how RSS Feeds really work) and add gossip style content to your site. Don't sell directly, people don't like to be sold to. Make a amazon store for your blog as a separate WordPress install and link them together.

The reason your not a success yet is because you suck at monetizing your site(s). Diversify, but not to much. Use sites like iWriter.com for content, spin that shit and post them on 3rd party blog sites with a link back to your site(s).

Most Important Aspect! Make many sites, not just one! With that thinking you'll be making $250 a day in a short time.

Oh.. Keyword research can be complected so find some good software that does 90% of the research for you. ~Hint - Keyword Scout..

Don't pussy out and become quitter!

Originally Posted by stressfree

Creating own physical products is a good idea. Make sure you get a good patent on the idea, sel lto distributors etc I can see that being a really good way to make money....more of aprocess but much more secure and could get big.

I wiuldn't bother with software/ebooks/offline SEO at all. You have no controll over it. Any one can copy/clone/rip/pirate too easily.

Sorry, but this is terrible advice.
There are plenty of people who create their own software/ebooks and market it to to an ultra specific niche and make plenty of bank.

And to the OP:

As long as ad networks still exist, and the internet regulation remains minimal, you can always make money online.

Now... When it comes to internet marketing, there are always "hypes" that get the newbs thinking they can strike it rich.

7 years ago it was all about adsense. 5 years ago it was all about myspace. 3 years ago it was all about craigslist. 2 years ago it was all about facebook fanpages.

For all of the monetization methods listed above, people always cried out "SATURATION!" after a year or two. And guess what? They're right. The hyped up traffic source or monetization method will ALWAYS get saturated.

However, there is something that will always be a guaranteed money maker: product creation. This can take form in either a service (selling links in forums like BHW) or an ebook (selling ebooks in wafo or selling weight loss ebooks via media buys).

ALSO, there are always new trends. Take advantage of them. Diablo 3 is coming out? Then monetize diablo 3beta keys, cheats, etc. New weight loss controversy? Then spam the shit out of google to get your site to the top, and content lock that baby. A celebrity died? Sell t-shirts and merchandise. Hot trends can make big money. I've personally seen the $xxxx days and $xx,xxx days, and they always end quickly. But you have to go onto the next trend.


If you're lucky enough, a trend can last a LONG time. For example, let's say it's 2004 and you are the first to monetize world of warcraft guides and your brand name earns a great reputation. Well, lucky for you, your business will have lasted for a loooooong time because WoW is still played by millions in 2012. You may have not been able to predict the longevity of such a business, but all business entails risk. NOBODY knows everything about IM or business.

And when people say affiliate marketing is dead? They have no idea what they're talking about. Affiliate marketing is essentially marketing SOMEONE ELSE's product or service. Just pretend that you created the service or product that you're marketing for as an affiliate, and then ask yourself "How would I market this?"

If you know how to drive traffic, write sales copy, and create a great landing page (which anyone can do, btw) then you will be in business for a long time and make great money.

Now, I feel you OP. I've been in positions where I felt the same way you did. But if you truly want to make it in IM, then you MUST ignore the people who are telling you to quit. Fuck them. Yes, 7 years is a long time, but does that mean you can't succeed? Let me tell you something, there is a mentality among the IM community that ANYONE can largely succeed regardless if you dropped out of high school or if you just graduated from Harvard Law School.

IM is just something you have to "understand." And "understanding" IM isn't difficult at all. Sales copy, landing page design, programming, graphic design: ALL these things are easy to learn and are easy to hire someone else to do for you. Don't be discouraged if you don't quite get it yet. We ALL started at your position. For some people, it took a few months to succeed. For others, it took 3-5 years to succeed. But it doesn't matter how long it takes you. Did you know that the founder of Home Depot started his business in his late 50s?

IM is a goldmine opportunity for anyone who wants to quit their day job and to solidify an online income. Take advantage of it fast. There are tons of ad networks and traffic to be had, and LOTS of stupid consumers who are oblivious to online sales techniques.

So take advantage of IM NOW. IM allows the average joe to become a millionaire.Get rich, get money, get paid.

If i had to give more specific advice to your situation, here is what it would be:

Get rid of your websites right now. Obviously they are costing you lots of money, time, and frustration, so why don't you want to give it up? Yes, you may have invested years of time and money into the project, but if it's not going to make you any money, then WHY are you still holding onto them?

If I had to guess, I would say you're not getting rid of the websites because you have an emotional investment (after spending so much money and time) in your sites. Don't let that hold you back. Get rid of them.

Then look around you. What are other people doing to make money? Check out facebook ads, PPV traffic sources, SEO methods, media buys (don't let this phrase scare you, you can do media buys that only cost $xxx and still make a nice profit)

By the way, a guaranteed method to make cash is to create a warriorforum account and sell ebooks. Make sure your warriorforum account is aged and has posts. Make sure you sell a good ebook. Make sure you know sales copy and know what the fuck you're doing, but to be honest, this would be the best and fastest way to make quick cash. It's the easiest money that can be made online, ever. I personally don't do it as I have other revenue sources, and you need to spend time doing customer support for newbs who don't know how to buy a domain. But it's a bloody easy way to make money. You just have to convince warriortards that they're getting their money's worth.

....

It's all up to you. Take small steps at a time to reach your goal. Start off at $30/day, then move your way up. Don't let IM be the focus of your life, otherwise, you'll be ripping your hair out a LOT. Just remember that you can succeed. If there are high school dropouts on this board making $xxxx/day and were told all their lives that they were failures, then why can't you?

Phew, that was a good break, now it's back to work!

edit:

i just read blueturtle's post and i wanted to reiterate what he said. He is spot on. Read his post once. Then read it again and get that into your head.

IM IS EASY. You're working from home on your computer. You can hire indians all over the world to do your busy work. Online consumers are so oblivious that you can sell ANYTHING to them. You can have ROIs of 1000%+ doing internet marketing, while ROIs of 50% and up in the offline world are UNHEARD OF. You have fiverr are your disposal. You can outsource sales copy, website creation, link building, EVERYTHING for very little money. Never take all of this for granted. See things from a different perspective, and you'll see the true abundance of IM.

In the offline world, people take out $30k loans, and the odds are that they will go bankrupt. Online, you can invest $xxx or a low $xxxx to decide if this is for you or not, and then proceed to make 6 or even 7 figures when you know how to do it and figure it out.

It's all a journey. A process. It took me years to acquire the knowledge that I know now, but I am grateful for it.

After 7 years and 10 bucks a day I am guessing that you made every mistake in the IM book.
The real entrepreneur would take inventory of all those mistakes and put them into a Ebook and sell it to the Noobs trying to come into this game. Sell it for 9.99, do some basic marketing and get your 10 sales a day. That's probably the worst you can do. The $100.00 day after all this time.
But to be totally honest it doesn't matter what methods members here give you because you have already quit in your head and until you change your mind you will remain broke. Go listen to Tony Robbins or something and get your head right. If you quit at this whats next? Funny thing is after 7 years your probably right there next to the money and don't even realize it. Tweek this or that and boom the internet becomes your ATM. Anyway, see ya quitter.

Originally Posted by itzcorky

Come on man dont give up. I just talked to my AM over at one of the networks im with and I got curious and asked him what the top guy was making and he told me he was making 40k a week and then he went on to say that the guy joined to network as a newb but after 7 months of test and tune that is what he is making. So trust me don't quit.

It would be surprising if AM would answer any different .... If there is a book they give to "AMs in training", I am sure on the very first page of that book they teach the "answers" to that very same question. So I would take those numbers with a grain of salt ...

Mate, there is absolutely something wrong in your business plan you doing last 7 years !!
Must be there is Big mistake you doing every day after day and year after year !!
What you have to do Right now "Just Find out this mistake " !!!!!!!
7 years not that easy !!
Not easy to give up after this long time !!!!!

Originally Posted by itzcorky

Come on man dont give up. I just talked to my AM over at one of the networks im with and I got curious and asked him what the top guy was making and he told me he was making 40k a week and then he went on to say that the guy joined to network as a newb but after 7 months of test and tune that is what he is making. So trust me don't quit.

Wow you should of asked what he was promoting

Originally Posted by alex1

It would be surprising if AM would answer any different .... If there is a book they give to "AMs in training", I am sure on the very first page of that book they teach the "answers" to that very same question. So I would take those numbers with a grain of salt ...

Yeah but what reason would they have to lie? To keep you there? Making risk free money?