I don't think CS will end, there will always be a way to get around a thing, even if only a few know it.

Ebay is not the only game around, just the best financed to go after stuffers

His fatal mistake was to stuff all of his cookies into one EPN account. All he had to do was have set up 15-20 accounts and he'd still be laughing his way to the bank.

I guess his real fatal mistake was that he owns DP and was not a BHW member.

id say cookiestuffing is a legal because buyers buy wil legal money ...
lol...

Not sure if this was posted yet but here's the court docket link:
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cou...ase_id-206526/

You know the problem I see that ebay will have is how will they determine what damages they incurred due to DP cookie stuffing. How do they separate the actual clicks compared to the forced clicks?

Originally Posted by shage13

yea i see them losing sellers by the dozen, so they are passing the cost cutting down to the aff, they know most have 1000 of links out there, that taking it down could take some time, so its free traffic, free sales, and they strongly believe they have a name brand in which they do that like amazon the return visit or the type in traffic is enough that one dont need a affiliate to send the traffic, so lets say everyone who sends $1k or less a month we will shut down, the affiliate in all aspect is getting fucked, 24hr cookies fuck come on, then bs sales as 1% damn corner store makes more selling shit paper then i did on a 3k purchase, if you look at that its fraud on their end, all those affiliates who were cut for no reason except their algo cut random people should class action them based on fraud, they decieved them on asking them to put up links on as many sites as possible, then cancel their account create more work for them to take down those links, which equals more downtime which equals more loss of wages, etc, dont put your eggs in one basket is the lesson but when you have a big basket with alot of eggs its a bitch to rumble thru the eggs to find which ones to take out

shit man, you need some fucking punctuation in your post. this is yodaspeak

Originally Posted by MontyzPython

I just posted this on my blog. Looks like trouble ahead for DP...

DP Owner Sued by Ebay

haha...im sure he learnt all the stuff here...

and im pretty damn sure must be a member here....maybe even a jr vip

Ouch. Mail and wire fraud, computer fraud and abuse, and a RICO. They're trying to throw the book at them. Someone should tell these guys to file for Chapter 13 (personal) bankruptcy, seeing as how this is a civil case. That should give them "Bankruptcy Protection", and should prevent eBay from being able to get any money out of them, unless the stay is lifted (which it usually isn't). They will, of course, have to give up almost everything they own. And their credit will be fucked for about 7-10 years. But I suppose it's better than paying eBay tons and tons of money in punitive damages for the rest of their lives. I guess it all depends on how rich they are and how much debt they're in. Then again, bankruptcy is hard to file for these days.

Is this the end to cookie stuffing??? I don't even know how to cookie stuff!!!! haha

Originally Posted by bigman

haha...im sure he learnt all the stuff here...

and im pretty damn sure must be a member here....maybe even a jr vip

Uhh no. He is being sued for cookie stuffing years before this forum even existed.

It's a rough life living a couple blocks from Newport Beach babes
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...=15&iwloc=addr

i heard he only made a couple grand? Nothing really big

Originally Posted by PauloPT

I don't think CS will end, there will always be a way to get around a thing, even if only a few know it.

It's not really a question whether you can get around it or not. The question is around the repercussions if, and when, you get caught. There will be case law and a precedent set here that change the result from getting caught stuffing move from a simple ban, and losing your last paycheck, to jail time and huge fines.

You can "get around" getting caught robbing banks, stealing cars and email spam too but I think that the risk/reward just got exponentially skewed.

Originally Posted by MontyzPython

This story just keeps getting better by the minute too.

That blog post is bullshit. The quote of shawn is completely out of context.

“As far as I know, it’s a perfectly legit way to make money via the eBay affiliate program."

He said that regarding an eBay toolbar, which did not stuff cookies, nothing to do with his own cookie stuffing.

whats the latest news?

Originally Posted by tonlilah

why the fuck are people panicking???????

you know...i'm starting to wonder if there are pple here purposefully trying to arouse fear.

look, if you guys are too chicken shit for this then get the fuck off this board and just keep downloading shitty warez, dp, and wso ecrap.

my god, don't be such pussies

remember, if you're gonna dick around with egay remember to use protection

Spoken like a true spartan....I second the motion awwwwwwwwwww the way got damnit have some balls people

Wow this is fascinating.
I definitely agree it's not so great to wish any ill upon another, even one you're not fond of. It's a little soon I think to be laughing at them and calling them idiots for getting caught (unless you actually happen to know for fact exactly what they are doing). Seems to me like they had some interesting protection measures, for example not stuffing visitors from the cities where eBay and CJ is headquartered. Interesting. I do think they must have gotten a bit sloppy and greedy. Since they got caught, of course their tactics were not enough to cover them at the level they were stuffing.

Is this the first CS lawsuit ever? This could set a major precedence. I'm sure it is a scare tactic. And I'm sure it will work to a good degree for them.

I myself was always a little hesitant to mess with CS, and this helps encourage me to never try. Everyone has to decide what is right for them. To each his own. I'm sure the day is not far off when CS deemed a criminal action. "Intention to defraud" is obvious, it wouldn't take much to make it a felony.
Looks like the greedy folks are gonna ruin it for most of the rest of ya'll.

It'll be interesting to see how much of a judgment eBay is seeking and how it all pans out. I got my money on eBay, LOL.

wonder how much he earned from stuffing....
has to be in millions.. given that hes been doing it for years...

Originally Posted by chini

i heard he only made a couple grand? Nothing really big

Won't matter, especially since egay is suing for punitive damages as well...

You know, no matter how much animosity we may share with DP (I personally have never been a member nor spent more than 5 minutes total on that forum) BUT, what is in question here; eBay suing for cookie stuffing effects us directly. I would estimate that there are more than 250 members in here stuffing eBay auctions directly, and about 500 who are stuffing eBay in some form or another. I ruling in eBay's favor directly hurts this forum.

I don't know Shaun from Snap Crackle & Pop, but I'm going to guess he is a Black Hatter not too disimilar than us. Sure he may have founded a less 1337 forum than what we have but, he doesn't DESERVE to mede the martyr. Hell, I've prob made more in the last two months from EPN than he made with CJ's eBay program in two years.

Lets not cast the first stone.

Originally Posted by AlphaBeta7

Excuse my french and you will probably NEVER hear me say this word again on BHW but...

Those fuckers deserve it. Karma is a bitch and it WILL get back to you, it always does. It might not happen today and it might not happen tomorrow but when you dick over honest/good people it will screw you over. In fact with most cases karma will destroy you when you least expect it. So good riddens to them, they deserve every last thing that happens to them.

Don't get me wrong DP is a great forum to make money on (for the most part) but as far as humanity goes and not shitting on people? They suck. And frankly so do their MODs. Im not saying all the mods are a-holes but the ones I met were

AB7

Wow, is it getting chilly in here? I guess Fall really IS here.

Let's all just take a deep breath, shall we? If you're a stuffer, then this was your wake-up call. If you're not, move along, nothing more to see here.

Originally Posted by ximscreamingx

His fatal mistake was to stuff all of his cookies into one EPN account. All he had to do was have set up 15-20 accounts and he'd still be laughing his way to the bank.

I guess his real fatal mistake was that he owns DP and was not a BHW member.

I'd like to second that note, I just can't imagine stuffing that much into one account, its like he's asking for trouble already.

hmm just wondering what will happen to dp forum, thank god warrior forum is around to talk n learn about im

Hahaha, so much for the glory of DP. It was my first forum, but I soon quit. Kinda lame ove rthere but he deserves that one!

ORDER by Judge Jeremy Fogel granting 83 Motion for Leave to File Excess Pages (jflc1, COURT STAFF) (Filed on 6/3/2009)

Any idea wtf does this mean?

Originally Posted by nufaman

Any idea wtf does this mean?

You can read the document here: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...052/206526/89/

Basically, eBay's last consolidated opposition brief wasn't consolidated enough, so they had to file a motion to let them ramble on for more than the allowed 25 page.