As a BHW member, for those which are making around $100/daily or more.

What do you think about school? Is it worthy nowadays? Do you think is there any point to study and working few hours a day since morning?
Of course school is important for personal knowledge, basics about subjects.

I'd like to see posts of guys which already studies. What's your point about it if you're working on your own making good money.

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the better thing to look for is those who have not completed the social school system that are successful.

The problem with the education system is it was built on yesterdays teachings and have nothing to do with the current world.

Education is important, but is not mandatory by any stretch of the imagination. What you know doesn't matter in the corporate world, WHO you know is what's important.

As far as anything internet, all you need is to know what works today, which you don't learn in school.

I think the best thing you can do to educate yourself for today's world is learning how to learn from your/others mistakes (preferable others mistakes). School is over rated, and teaches you how to make the money you are required to spend, and nothing more (effectively keeping you at the bottom of the barrel).

I think school is important because it helps build discipline for the rest of your life. I know a lot of people here are going to say that it is a waste of time, but not finishing college is one of my biggest regrets in life.
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I make great money from the BH scene and im still in college. Wouldn't change it for the world. A college degree isn't for everyone, but if you want one don't let something as simple as money change your mind about pursuing it.

I make more than my parents a sophomore in college - but I still think school is most definitely worth it. Beyond personal knowledge, the ability to write well puts you at a huge edge in the internet marketing world, and one of the best ways to get that is to write essays over and over again about a variety of subjects. It's difficult to do that without going to college or some other sort of formalized education.

Beyond that, meeting people in college is one of the best ways to build connections for the rest of your life. I ever want to get out of internet marketing, want to find someone to help me get into politics (a lifelong dream), or even just need investment advice I can leverage my connections from fellow Alumni of my university and fraternity to get help.

(Class of 2012 at Columbia University, Economics Major with a concentration in Political Science and Statistics)

Good opinion da buck. But if you would finish that college, what do you reach?
You already know your fault but you're making good money. So you would finish just for degree?

School is fun..

IN MY OPINION....
never Quit School...no matter if u r earning $100 or $200 a day

GET the Degree for backup..... (try to secure ur future)

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What about situation when you don't really know who you want to be in the future. Then you visit bhw and learn how is it working. Lets say you guaranted high school and gonna choose: you keep studying and going for college or focus in internet marketing. Whats ur opinion?

Hey I do Blackhatting as a side job for some nice money. This month, I cashed $1,000+ worth of checks from last months CPA earnings.

NEVER quit school, it is more important than im because im is not always a stable income (take the craigslist posters as an example, they are facing hard times).

A degree to rely on is ALWAYS useful.

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You can do both. It's always good to have a backup option. If you quit school, more then likely you will regret it in the long run.

School sucks, but it's necessary.

I've learned a lot of useless stuff, but it can be useful on certain ocassions.
And unless you want to be an illiterate, i suggest you should at least finish high school.

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Ya, finish high school, , but to be honest, there are only a select few that graduate from collage that get the job they went to collage for, others find themselves working at MacD's for years and years, while others find themselves working for walmart, kmart and the like.

Collage is ONLY a good choice, if the field your wanting to get into, is high demand, otherwise, you're looking at spending thousands, to make hundreds, and have a dept held over your head for a very long time.

I have quit school and i feel great about it, but it's necessary. ;]

Lucky you, I was so bored they threw me out... I refused to do their crap work because I didn't want to be taught stuff I already knew. I wanted to learn more.

Couldn't agree more on this. School is indeed the most fun thing to do. Especially now I earn a shit load of money and the pressure of building a career has flown away I approach life completely different. Now I can see what's really important for me and that's getting a proper education and doing what I like. Next year I'm going to study Technical Engineering which consists off Systems Engineering, Policy Analysis and Management, Management of Technology, Engineering and Policy Analysis, Transport Infrastructure & Logistics and Geomatics. After this I'm going to study Biomedical Engineering. I don't know if you have these studies in the US but this is what it's called where I live. Now I don't want to brag about it but this will cost me another 14 years of my life. Now some people would probably say WTF??? why would you go to school for so long? Well what am I going to do otherwise? Spend my whole day behind a computer screen? Live on Tahiti? Those things are fun for a year (or a couple of years) but eventually you're going to wish you had a "normal" life in which you actually had something to do. And what's better than going to the university? Hang around with nice people, lot's of freedom, not having to work (like in making money) lot's of vacation. Believe me, if you're going to quit school now you're going to regret it. You should combine your IM'ing with school so you have money so you do not have to work, can take the weekend of (to Paris or so) and have some money when you stop studying so you don't have to get a 9-5 job. You should see school not as a obligation but as a thing to keep you busy, to get your mind of things, to entertain you, to make friends, have sex with your best friends girlfriend, party every weekend and drink lots of beer.


For those of you who are too lazy to read the whole thing: IF YOU QUIT SCHOOL YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT!

You can use school to your advantage. Take some classes that could help you with your internet marketing. For example, take some classes related to business, selling, web design, and other things that could help you in your online ventures.

only 2 reasons to go to college

1. get a degree in one of the HARD sciences
2. fuck girls

else, don't go

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I'm not allowed to drop out of school at my age. This year I'll get my 'basic' degree meaning I can always go to any education I want, should my IM plan fail somehow. I'll be honest: I hate school, but you have to prepare for a 9-5 life somewhere. I'm not gonna be part of the 'sheep'.

It wouldn't just be for the degree, it would be to finish something that I started. I'm actually looking into going back to school (I've been out over 10 years) just so I can finish. Yes, there are things that I will never use in life, but school will help create a more rounded individual. On top of that, there are relationships that you will have for a lifetime. As a bonus, you can recruit writers, web designers, and anyone else you need to help promote your IM needs. A lot of times they will do it for cheap because college students always need cash.
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guys i heard harro didnt finish jr high is that true

'nuff said.

Screw having a backup option that's for people who think they're is a good chance they will fail. I mean if you're not sure about what you wanna do with your future then stay in school. But if you know beyond a doubt that you wanna do internet marketing then school is a waste of your time. At this point I have no backup options and I don't need any. You know why? b/c even if i was offered an executive position at a 9-5 environment I would NOT take b/c I don't want to work 60-70 hour weeks making someone else rich when I can make myself rich. I don't know though thats just me.

Yes only go to college to do a science or engineering degree.

If you are going to do an arts degree course with 5 hours a week of lectures don't waste your time and money.

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Let school compliment your skills not compensate.

I went back to school Im 24 for business and marketing.
90% of the ppl in my class are there because there just expected to go after school and non of them have any interest in business and know what they want to do.


Best thing is to take years off and go work in the real world, travel etc and figure out your direction first cause chacnes are your not gonna do another 4 year when you just finsihed 4

I agree 75% with this, having a backup plan is a good idea, but with the way the economy is going right now in the major area's of the world, I wouldn't expect there to be much in the lines of work for a graduate, there aren't even enough positions right now to keep the people they have, and this problem isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The US WILL be in massive economic crisis for a long time, at least until those in power get their heads out of their asses and start doing something positive. And Canada is no better off, small fast food joints are cutting hours/letting people go.

School right now, at this point in time, is nearly 100% worthless, and will cost you an arm and a leg to obtain (this is anything past high school BTW, I believe everyone should have at least their grade 12 or equivalent).

You want to know how to win in this world, learn about LIFE, what happens in REAL LIFE, how to avoid issues in REAL LIFE, school makes up a fantasy world that no longer exists full or promise and prosperity, not poverty and depression. Are we in a world of promise and prosperity? Not a chance in hell, so we are in a world of Poverty and Depression.

Life my friend, Life is the only thing that will truly teach you what you need to know, as long as you can learn from your own/others mistakes, you should be golden, if you can't however, even with an education your destined for failure.

I say school is mostly easily replaceable, for everyone that is not looking for a job.
And people that say have school as a backup plan, common I thought we were entrepreneurs. There IS NO failing, and wouldn't you rather start another business offline or online if your current plan fails instead of get a job? !!!!!

Now of course you will need some education to legally be a doctor, ect.
So far that, go to school.

Even Google is hosting some talks about school falling behind.
They are not talking about school needing to teach more up to date computer stuff BUT
rather to teach in different up to date ways that you learn much faster with.

The pencil and paper and book way sucks. Even learning a language I find much easier doing on my own because the way school teaches it, makes it horribly hard.

As long as you have your basics of maths and english, basic math, advance math would help and good understanding of the english language; then you don't need anything else. People working 9-5 won't be making $100/per day, so you'll be earning more then you them anyway!

lol wut?
$100 / day is nothing. Both my parents make $400+ / day from 9-5 jobs. (which is of course the higher end but still....)
We are supposed to aim for the $500 or $1000+ mark.
jeez

Here's the problem with that, 100% of the people aim for that kind of income, and only 10% (at best) reach that kind of income (unless their born into money), it's economics, how on earth do you expect everyone to make $500-$1000/day with this kind of economy? or even if it was massively stable, even then, only 20-30% of the entire population would reach that kind of income, reality and fantasy are 2 separate things, what we want, and what is available are also 2 completely separate things.

With that said, for at minimum 70% of the population, anything beyond grade 12 is pointless for the most part, as there won't be an abundance of high paying positions available to them, and you only get THAT kind of income after slaving away at that same 9-5 for 30 years, making roughly $100/day for the first 5-10 of those years. Seriously, go and ask them exactly how much they made when they first graduated.

I have a college degree and am thinking about getting an MBA and using my IM money to pay for it. I enjoy taking business classes and learning. Always good to have something to fall back on.

I hear you, but when push comes to shove, can you fall back on it? Are you 100% sure, without a shadow of a doubt that as soon as you need a job, that there will be one waiting for you?

Like I said, unless what your studying is and will be in high demand for a while, it's pointless, because thousands of other people are already doing it, and a number of them are probably better at it.

Edit: I'm not downing school, if you want to go, and you enjoy it, do it, whatever makes you happy, but I'm not about to sit there and try to convince someone of something I have no belief in.

School is a must no matter how much money you make, yes you recieve discipline, yes you recieve knowledge but I think the most important thing is money may not last forever, their are up and downs in an economy, stategies and industries are constantly changing your deploma is proof of knowledge . the great thing is that it can always be a plan b for hard times, if your a business owner and things go wrong you can always have a softcusion until you get your feet back on the ground and do your own thing again its an insurance policy and yes also knowng people

EVERYONE should finish their grade 12 ( not for that much what you will learn-but just for self education in social aspect and of course for fun , College- FUCK THAT, you don't need that if you know what u are doing!

But hell yeah if I would be able to get $400/day from J-O-B I would go to that college to get that kind of job!

O wow, yet another god damn thread about whether going to university/college is worth it. Not like we have never seen this on BHW world before....

Here. Let me summarize ALL of the facts from both sides that will chime in here

1. You will get people who have been to college. Loved it, and no matter how much money they make, will never regret going to college. They will tell you college isnt just about learning your degree. Its so much more then that. Its the socializing, the life skills, learning how to integrate your way into the world. The extra curricular activities at university will be some of the best you will ever do in your life.

2. The people who have never been to college OR the people who went, but only went to half their lectures and never bothered to get involved in the "Community" and thus left and say it is crap. These people will never be able to look past that what they teach in lectures isnt always relevant. But as everyone who has ever completed college will tell you, what you learn in your lectures is just to get your degree, it isnt the whole university experience.

So there you have it. Now we shall wait another week, and maybe ill just copy and paste this into that thread because seriously. These threads get soooo old.

I always found it funny that some bhw members got so involved in this small little world of autoblog-xrumer-linkwheels-ewhoring that they forget that the real world has extremely more lucrative opportunities than black hat marketing.

First of all, its short term. Black hat implies that you are breaking rules/deceiving (not always, but a good chunk of the time), and that never lasts very long. Even white hat online income is tentative - new competitors come out, new fads, etc. Yes, there are plenty of people who get rich off of internet marketing and will stay rich, but most who try and believe they will be rich end up failing.

While it is a great dream to work 100% on the computer at home, I don't think I'll be able to do it. For one, I would earn double working online AND a real job. Being locked up in my room working on my computer has really changed my view of working online. Sometimes I wish I had a real job where I could interact with people and stay outdoors for most of the day.

About college/school - you should definitely complete it. Someone above, i think Pharoah, said that they only teach you things that don't apply in the modern world. That is absolutely 100% not true whatsoever. As I said, for some people here the "modern world" becomes this little community of online marketing. College/high school isn't like grammar school. You take real courses with real world applications - computer programming, graphics design, business, etc. There is so much to learn and so many opportunities to use what you learn to make millions, and yet some people here would settle for 200$/day and think they are better than everyone with a college degree? Yes, not everyone will make it, but if you actually work hard for a good degree, there is a great chance you will.

Not to mention the fact that college and schooling in general is a great way to socialize, meet friends, and make connections that could benefit you in the future. All in all, anyone who says "fuck school u just need im and bhw!" has a pretty narrow-minded and naive view of the world, atleast in my eyes.

I'll agree that collage/university is a great way to socialize, but I come from Nova Scotia, where Dalhousie Institute is located, it's ranked one of the top 3 schools in Canada. When you live in a place like that, you don't need school to socialize, I've made many many life connections throughout my life that have given me benefits.

That being said, it's not a mandatory thing, even if just for the social aspect of it.

Let me put it this way, if you go to collage, and you sit in your room all day doing whatever on your computer, your not going to socialize, if you don't sit in your room, you are goign to socialize.

Now lets look at life outside of school, if you sit in your house all day in front of your computer, you're never going to socialize, if you do not, you're going to socialize.

It doesn't matter what your surroundings are, if your going to socialize, your going to socialize, if not, your not, plain and simple. For me, I don't require collage or uni for anything that I have intentions on doing, and no, BHW and online marketing is not everything, as a matter of fact, I'm currently getting involved in the largest industry in the world hands down. And I don't need no collage degree.

The desire to see your dreams come to life is what will make you successful no matter if you go to school or not. Discipline can come with life experience, as long as you can learn from your own/others mistakes.

And as far as what they teach you in school, I was personally referring to public school, jr.high and high school types.

School teaches you more than you realize at the time...

Stay in school - you NEVER know what can happen in your life, things can change, and you may find that you need to do something else.

And who says that you can't combine business with studies?
Just study something relevent - here are a few ideas:
MARKETING
PSYCHOLOGY
SOCIOLOGY
COMMUNICATIONS
STATISTICS
BUSINESS
FINANCE
PROGRAMMING
DESIGN

..... the list goes on... any of these things will help you in your online business, there are TONS of things you can study which will IMPROVE what you are doing online and serve as a backup for life's unexpected twists...

plus, like it or not, a degree gets you respect out in the "offline" world

I'm a high school dropout (not that I'm proud of it or anything...just kind of goes along with this thread)....last year I made almost 100k <--- that's net earnings

However, I'm not supporting not completing high school, as it is definitely useful as a lot of the skills I learned in high school I use today (math in particular...which I hate)

Luckily for me, I feel as though (and am told) that I'm rather intelligent. To be honest, I don't think I'd be doing very well if I wasn't.

I'll put it this way (although this is kind of ambiguous), school is necessary for those who need it and isn't necessary for those who don't.

i finished mine. it took alot of blackhatting to get it done. lol. but it was fun, taught me to innovate. make lifetime friendships and of course SOCIAL SKILLS! which is important in business.

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You've hit it right on the money, high school is important, this I agree with, and you're right agente808, those will definitely improve your game for online marketing, but you have to think about it, online marketing isn't the only way to make money online, as a matter of fact, most online millionaires didn't make their millions with IM, they made it off of originality, something that marketed itself, WOM is one of the best methods, and if it something for everyone (even if your targeted everyone is in one specific industry, like mine) than it would spread VERY quickly, and is regarded quicker than something that is e-mailed from a mailing list for example, because it was recommended, from someone they know, and have a level of trust with. But this is simple psychology.

I'm not saying "Don't go to school" for either high school, or collage/uni, stay in high school, even if your making $250/day, if you feel you need to go to collage/uni past that point, do so, if not, don't, it's entirely up to you.

For me personally, I don't learn by reading/writing, this is not my style at all, I learn by doing, and by seeing, this makes it difficult for me to learn the traditional way, which is reading and writing.

Ill keep this short:
I dont earn money to skip college.
I earn money through IM to attend it.

Sometimes you got to find what is more important in your life.and i think money should always be last in that list.

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U will always be lernin' sommin in yer life. No matter how old yer is. Schoolin' will git more into yer head and probably quicker. So I say yeh to schoolin'.

The question is, do you stop "learning" after you get your degree? I believe many people do.

The people I know who got business or marketing degrees, (one of whom is in my family) are all waiting tables. They got stuck in the party mindset and are all acting like they just turned 21 still.

IMO, school is a serious waste of money. I back this up with my daily profits which are full time at home and the fact that I read reference books all the time and the info gets locked in the old brain and stays there.

Plato said, "If one wants to learn medicine, one must go where medicine is to be found". Today you MUST learn a bunch of nonsense associated with your degree, that has nothing to do with what you are studying.

school is important.. it helps you socialise and is fun.

it means fuck all if you are going to be a designer.. if you want to be an accountant or lawyer or dentist/ doctor... buckle down and get A's.

I got 5 gcses. they wouldnt let me take graphics, and i failed IT.

10 yrs later im a senior graphic designer working on big corporate brands..

school means fuck all. but you should do it.. if only for the fanny and the loz.

This is an interesting discussion with many valid answers. The best approach is to stay flexible and keep your options open at all times regardless of the level you are at now. In the future you can take more classes as you see fit. As a millionaire, I may be bored and want scuba diving. After that, I may actually want to study underwater basket-weaving-yes, to maybe catch sharks or jellyfish. There are ways to make things useful that seem a waste at the time.
Most of what people are saying is quite valid. The real education is from life; it is not only about money nor about socializing, even if you did network with some of them. Of course you can network with others any time, but the question is do you see a value in it, for the situation you're in. This is flexibility. You can learn good things in the military also.
The worst thing, and do not take this in the wrong way please, pyronaut, I agree with you to a point, is to take one quick look and have a knee-jerk reaction, as if you have heard it all before, you already know all about it, others are stupid for even still thinking about it, and you will summarize everything for them because they are so stupid-and then never even notice you did not communicate what you think you did.
Me, I went to four colleges and one university, many military schools, job-related school and consider learning about this biz a schooling too. I will learn all my life every way I know how, as appropriate. If all turns to crap, I know how to survive; if not then I know all sorts of things for the other scenarios too.
I would only recommend the guy who is "dropout" go to school for sure, only for the reason to not feel compelled to say that. You are obviously smart, but just to remove the feeling of being stigmatized if nothing else. I have only needed to make up one class to suddenly score three Associates degrees, AA, AS, and AAS, ever since 1984 and have refused to do it because of the obvious hypocracy, but maybe when I feel like it I will finally take THAT stupid class, just to show that I can conform to requirements if I want to. Meanwhile I took many other classes other than the one the man wants me to take. Maybe I was immature, I could still take it later.