Well, I know that black hat tactics have started (and evolved) since the starting of the web...

But I needed to take your opinion about something:

Is it possible to use Black hat tactics as the ONLY source of income online?

I mean flying/shifting from one BH tactic to another...

Will this make someone a living?

I'm asking because back in 2004 I was blackhatting and made a small fortune out of AdSense...

Then slowly, income was dropping and 'holes' were fixed

I tried several other things but nothing was like AdSense in 2004!

So... again my question remain:
Is it possible to rely ONLY on BH techenques to make money?

Are there enough tactics/strategies to still make everyone some cash and when these become over saturated, a new stream of BH tools will come to take place?

Thanx,

Yeah, it is possible to make a living online relying only on blackhat. No one can stop blackhat forever.This is like file sharing and warez. BIG companies have tried to stop this from a long time, but have failed.

BUT

No one knows everything. Unless you are a black genius and a master of blackhat, knowing to swiftly switch and adapt when situations occur, relying on blackhat methods is something very risky to do.

Blackhat will live for ever, but maybe you will not find those blackhat methods that are working right now (do not think that blackhats methods are those posted on public forums like this one, or any other one).

So, make sure to back up. If you are confident that you have a brilliant mind and can exploit loopholes for ever, then blackhat is a way of living. However, i do not know many people capable of creating blackhat methods themselves. Most just rehash what s already on the market.

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Define "blackhat"...lol. Seriously, the term is so vague these days. I imagine what I'm doing to make a seriously nice income is "blackhat" but I guess there are degrees.

blackhat i would take as ignoring tos of watevr site your working with and abusing it for your own benefits, be it visitors or money or watevr...

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First of all...

"thanks" given for providing such a marvelous reply

So... how will someone "make a living online relying only on blackhat" as you said in the previous paragraph?

So... again, what to do if me (or anyone) want to rely completely on blackhat techniques?

[quote=Nick Flame;69512] (do not think that blackhats methods are those posted on public forums like this one, or any other one). [quote]
Generally speaking... WHERE do you think blackhat tactics come from?

I mean, the "TYPE" of tactics which are enough to make a living online for a blackhatter....

Are you talking about BH tactics that were NEVER discussed publicly?

Only available at someone's evil mind (i.e. a lonely wolf).

If that's the case... then the shared tactics are never enough to make someone a living online?

... and you are saying that these rehashed/modified tactics... are NOT enough to make a living?

Did i understand you correctly?

MY DEFINITION:
" Blackhat is when you "bend" the rules to the fullest extend, and walk ON the thin red line between smartness and illegality, then sleep the night with your easy "women" knowing that your cash cow is NOT sleeping, your bank account account is getting fatter by tomorrow morning... where you'll have a beautiful day, without any "you-are-banned" messages and/or without any FEDs showing up at your door steps "

How is THAT ^^^ for Definition?

Making a living online means for me high xxxx$ even breaking into xxxxx$ range, monthly.

To make this kind of money on auto pilot, and rely on them, you either need:

- already created and established websites/businesses that already produce that kind of income, and they run completely on whitehat methods, such that you do not fear getting banned. This is the whitehat part.

- very powerful scripts that can spam/blackhat something and this will bring you money. HOWEVER this scripts do not live for ever, eventually they will become useless and get shut down. When they become useless, if you did not build something for future with them, then you are back to 0. You need to start again finding a loophole and building another script. The question is here, what happens if you are not able to find another loophole and build a script? You are not making money. Plain and simple.

Then be prepared to face the risk, and the day, when you wake up and you find out that all your blackhat empire has vanished overnight due to some algorithm changes, and you have nothing to make money with but for your brain and the hope you are going to find another money making method.

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[quote=Nick Flame;69512] (do not think that blackhats methods are those posted on public forums like this one, or any other one). They are first created and then posted on forums. They do NOT come from forums, like generally, coming from thin air. In order to find a blackhat method on a forum, someone has to create them, or experiment them, or find them randomly, and after that post them on forums. What happens when these people do not post working money methods on forums? Where do you make money from?

They can make you some money, but you can not rely on them. You think that blackhatworld is a very good resource for making money, and truly it is, but i have talked to beginners who told me exactly this words:

I have read EVERYTHING on BHW, I have tried almost EVERYTHING, and i was not able to make money online. Why is that? Saturation, bad luck, non efficient methods, difficult to pinpoint a certain reason.

But I tell you this: If you imagine your future as a full time internet marketer, and you think that you do not need a website, you do not need a backup, cause you will always find blackhat methods on forums to live on, then you are taking a very risky approach.

Get your information from forums, ebooks, and build your own methods or tweak something existent. If you are not able to tweak, or think outside the box as a blackhatter, you do not stand a chance of making money in the long term.

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are there too late to start? i'm newbie in blackhat

I think it will never be too late, because there is a cotnous stream of ideas and thoughts... shared here and in any other forum.

All what you have to do, is:

1- Learn a tactic.
2- Think about it & if you can tweak it to create something unique?
3- Implement.
4- Then learn from your mistakes (BECAUSE YOU WILL MAKE MISTAKES).
5- Either repeat the same tactic (after correcting your mistakes), or Go to step #1