So, would you?
I should ask: Why or why not? I suppose the answer is obvious though, based upon whether one feels that the potential risks are greater/less than the potential rewards.
No way in hell, your looking at a massive ass kicking if things go tits up, What long term rewards are there? Negative talk about your company when their rankings are slammed. Short term benefits may include getting new clients due to the client talking and saying "wow he got me great rankings" but yeah, your putting yourself at risk if you think that buying these would be good. you would have to be mad.
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What if a client is nowhere to be found for any of their keywords? Is it justifiable then, in your opinion?
No you shouldn't unless you tell the client it is for short term quick gains that are not sustainable for rankings. Types of sites this could be used on is one off events or cases where a website will not be needed after a few months.
If you do use SAPE type links on real businesses that want long term sustainable rankings you are asking for trouble and perhaps later on being taken to court depending on the size / profit of your client from online.
Client sites must be treated with respect,it's a slog simply because everything has to be accountable.I wouldn't dream of using sape on any tier of a client site.I well carried out private network yes(building network from scratch,no bh services),sape absolutely not.
We purchase them regularly for clients who specifically ask us to perform blackhat on a given site. But.. If your client requests it you should always inform them of the asskicking google could dish out. Sape is great for short term quick rankings, but for long term stability go white hat all the way.
I will setup a small site and will buy sape for it and later 301 to the client site. I have 3 sites with sape and each is buying jewellery to my wife.
It could be targeted by google in future. If you are worried about it then do 301 and you should be fine. My votes goes to yes.
Whaaat??? Of course not.. Your client shouldnt be bound to pay monthly for ever after they stop working with you. + I would never use SAPE for kws not even in SERPs...
And IF you decide to use SAPE, it should be a maximum of 10% of total links not more. The opposite would be lack of respect & towards your client and his business, imo.
I will and I do. SAPE links work great, you just have to know how to use them the whitehat way.
Well it depends on the client and on you, I always give them different choices and give them the consequences.
Sape will improved their ranks less than a month with large risk, or wait for 6 months with minimal risk.
It depends on the client.
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Selecting SAPE is putting the client at risk, and can or may destroy your credibility...
Using SAPE on your own site is up2u as folks know the risks...
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Why not... you're just brokering links. Same as using blog networks advertised all over this forum. With SAPE, you stop paying the bills, the links go away. You can also just as easily set up aged domains and 301 to your target site. If clients are interested in results, why not offer them this? It's their appetite for risk, let them decide. Lay all the cards on the table. This representation of SAPE as the blackest of blackhat is a bit ridiculous IMO.
Besides is this Whitehat World or WTF ?!
Errr, one is not exclusive of the other.And the question was not if you would ask them, the question was if you would use SAPE.
How would you know until you asked? Different clients and different sites have completely different objectives. Its the same as investing. Some people want mutual funds, and some go straight for penny stocks!I'm sure they say NO if you ask.
Would you purchase blog posts in an advertised "private blog network" for a client.... if so do you really think that's any safer than using SAPE links?
Do you even know what SAPE links are?the question was if you would use SAPE.
I always introduce my SAPE services with their pros and cons to my clients. In fact, they find me through my SAPE site while searching for sape related terms as "sape links", "sape network", etc. Most of them have already read what SAPE network is and just want to find an experienced and trustworthy SAPE provider to buy links for them. So everything is crystal clear.
For SEO clients its pretty obvious that the client will get blogposts from a closed blognetwork(ie much safer than services on here).
I have friends who have been in the SEO game for 12 years, and their blognetwork is still standing strong. The question is not if I think SAPE links are much safer to use, I don't say they are unsafe to use(I use them myself), but to start using them on client sites as OP refers to, that would be unmoral and lack of respect towards your client. He don't pay you to get hooked up with a monthly bill when he quits you.
I sincerly don't believe you are doing SEO for any serious webshops, but I'm 100% sure they would all say NO, and ask themselves why their seo firm seriously just asked them to rent links and risk their business.
And again, have you even used sape links and have you even had any non bhw seo clients?(Just to counter your last question).
I mean a person who live off their webshop would not risk anything at all, even though the risks are small.
I would never use any link network on a long term client. However, if I get a client with unreasonable expectations, I'll Sape him up all day long.
I'd still be pretty comfortable with it as a tier 2.
LOL are you kidding me. "Renting Links" is the only way you can get high PR homepage links (well short of outright buying sites, but that's a different topic and a different price tolerance). No one is going to sell you a permanent high PR link on their homepage. Be it via SAPE, another link brokerage, or direct acquisition..... So unless you're trying to rank "Mary's Sunday Knitting Class" you better know how to acquire such links, and SAPE is just one method of doing such..... and FYI, I do this for a living, and have done so for quite a while with many happy clients. Thanks for askingbut I'm 100% sure they would all say NO, and ask themselves why their seo firm seriously just asked them to rent links and risk their business.
You're right, yes. But I always notify them, so no disrespect is involved with my SAPE services.
As for the safety of SAPE - the network exists since 2006, I have been using it since 2010 and up to now it has always helped me achieve great things in SEO. But yes, methods changes a lot after Penguin was lunched in 2012. Many SEOs that use SAPE.RU got hit pretty hard by the update, but this was due to their inability to use SAPE the right way. They didn't diversify their anchors, didn't filter the links the proper way, bought only low quality, cheap links from questionable domains and... voila Penguin busted them. As I like to say, it's not the network to blame, but the lack of ability to be used the right way and to stay under the radar.
For some reason I don't believe that. Maybe because you stated on the forums that you do:
I smile inside when you state that its not possible to rank any moneyterm without SAPE links/high homepage pr links... I rank several terms making money WITHOUT SAPE.
For affiliate websites you just wan't to bank and dont care for how long, yes go fire up for SAPE. But for serious business clients it makes no sense. You would be gambling with their business fundementals, and I wanna state again no serious seo business would offer their clients SAPE links + You make more money giving longterm results then short term. Sure go offer your fiverr clients SAPE links.
I see things long term, and that's how I operate. Never really favored the churn and burn method, so I wouldn't touch it.
Digging through my old posts huh bud. Kinda creepy if you ask me
I run some successful Fiverr gigs which bring in some very nice revenue. You should try them sometime.
I also handle long term clients with great results.
Never said you needed SAPE now did I. I said it was an option worth discussing. High PR homepage links are without doubt the quickest and most effective way to rank any term. Whether you use SAPE, another link brokerage, or renting the links directly (and yes you will be renting them) the risk/reward is very similar.I rank several terms making money WITHOUT SAPE.
But you keep on using your "friend's" private blog network, and reading through my old posts (who knows you might actually learn something). And I'll seek out rented links and offer them to people I work with.
Took me 10 seconds to find out that you live off Fiverr, dont flatter yourself.
I have my own network of more than 100 domains. And yes you did infact state that if you can't get high homepage pr links you can't rank anything, that is just pure bullshit and just again states that you know nothing about ranking.
I'm happy you found out SAPE can rank websites, but pretending to be a highroller in the SEO world is just ridicolous, the truth is you sell bookmarks and wikis submissions for 4 USD profit.
SEO_Alchemy's comparison to financial instruments is a good illustration...I see client's eyes glaze over if I even mention something like web 2.0 sites, so explaining SAPE to a client could be easily done by saying:
'Mr/Ms client, one benefit of using our agency is that we actually allow you, the client, to chose your risk profile. What this means is that we can pursue measures that range from high to low risk, or somewhere in between. On a scale of risk/reward, with 0 being the lowest and 10 being the highest, where would you rank yourself.'
Then just put that number in the contract or something and scale into it...I wouldn't turn it on full blast, as some decent on-page and off-page efforts might be a significant improvement on their current rankings.
Also, this thread is getting interesting, so, do continue:
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