Anyone that use SAPE links see huge drop in rankings today?

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Originally Posted by auw21

Anyone that use SAPE links see huge drop in rankings today?

Yep. I noticed a huge drop yesterday.

Me too

What kind of quantity of SAPE links are you guys using to your sites?

Glad i ditched my links a couple of weeks ago.

I dont use sape links for my clients, but still seeing drop for few of my clients. It seems to be general update rather targeting sape link users.

Using 2 sites on Sape only.. No drops over here. One keyword went from #53 to #23 today. Rest is stable.

Just noticed a big drop for one of my sites. I bought some sape links few months ago for that site and now it's almost gone from google serps.

Lucky me that I was inspired not to buy sape links for my other sites.

yeah, maybe 10% went off from my traffic

My 1 KW had a huge drop down.

I had improvements only

No there was an update but not specific for SAPE its for almost all..

my main competitor still dominate the first page with his SAPE links, while i'm dropped without SAPE. THis update is not about SAPE, i'm sure.

Originally Posted by BigBuddy

I dont use sape links for my clients, but still seeing drop for few of my clients. It seems to be general update rather targeting sape link users.

I personally think that the main target was sape since a few weeks ago Matt Cutts acknowledged it (Indirectly):



I think this is one of google's shot gun updates, what I mean by that is that even though they have a specific target in mind, they never really hit the bulls eye (hence why unrelated sites gets effected):



But until offical word comes out, this is all speculation.

Its a spam update, and google start deindexing site every min, And many other sites ranking are affecting ,
Check this our http://www.google.com/insidesearch/h...ting-spam.html

the big slap is coming in, thats for sure!

I don't think its only sape target, there are some other platforms on target or some signals which lead to lower rankings.

Originally Posted by rohitseth

Its a spam update, and google start deindexing site every min, And many other sites ranking are affecting ,
Check this our http://www.google.com/insidesearch/h...ting-spam.html

It's not a spam update,being honest no one knew what the last update was targeting,I see it being no different for this one.

yikes. I dropped out a couple weeks ago and my SAPE test site hurled forward yesterday and today. But I also have super high quality GSA links pointed to the site... high quality = highly spun 99% and unreadable. might be the same thing to big G.

I didn't notice any drop. However I use more other 3 sites (not Sape but similar to it) But still the clients for whom I bought Sape links ask for more.
Another optimistic example - I'm using Sape also as webmaster (selling links from my sites) and the amount of links bought from my sites increase as well as my earnings.

Originally Posted by Robby54

I personally think that the main target was sape since a few weeks ago Matt Cutts acknowledged it (Indirectly):

All Google has to do to discredit a particularly effective SEO technique (ie. SAPE) is to shuffle the SERPs around randomly and then people will do the rest of the work for them by passing off unsubstantiated claims as fact. Fear mongering much?

Google could downsize its entire web spam team to a single person that every now and then presses a button which shuffles the SERPs, accompanied by an intentionally vague tweet/blog post, and people will run around yelling SEO is dead. Oh wait...

I also have seen some Drop where I use This Networks and also saw Huge UP.. But Drop was also Happened where I didn't use this Network Links.. So I think this is just a Natural Google Update or Google Dance..

And, Google will band the Whole Sape Network or the Sites in that Network..?? and what happen when there will be a New Network Like Sape.. Already there is Lot's..

Originally Posted by roman375

All Google has to do to discredit a particularly effective SEO technique (ie. SAPE) is to shuffle the SERPs around randomly and then people will do the rest of the work for them by passing off unsubstantiated claims as fact. Fear mongering much?

Google could downsize its entire web spam team to a single person that every now and then presses a button which shuffles the SERPs, accompanied by an intentionally vague tweet/blog post, and people will run around yelling SEO is dead. Oh wait...

Who ever said this was a fact?

From technical point of view it seems it's very easy for Google to attack Sape. But why didn't they do it before? Sape has even wikipedia page. Do you believe that Matt Cutts didn't know about it before?
Attack on Sape will hurt Google's reputation because thousands and thousands of people buy and sell links on Sape.

Originally Posted by Robby54

Who ever said this was a fact?

I didn't mean you in particular. Just addressing some of the (un)intentional scare mongering going on.

Originally Posted by Flodner

From technical point of view it seems it's very easy for Google to attack Sape. But why didn't they do it before? Sape has even wikipedia page. Do you believe that Matt Cutts didn't know about it before?
Attack on Sape will hurt Google's reputation because thousands and thousands of people buy and sell links on Sape.

From my personal experience, Google know about a lot of things, the thing is, they will not act on it until it become a noticeable problem. Why?

There biggest enemy (in my opinion) is CPU. There is not a CPU (or Clusters of CPU's) on the market that would be able to accommodate the massive addition they would need to make to combat half of the problem's with their current algorithm.

Second thing, if a five year old could create a sape account, rank for powerful keywords and yet spent only 5 minutes creating his site...(just look at the auto insurance niche for example) people are going to be pissed (the every day users) once trashy pages start to dominate the search engines.

Google know's about spun content, bad grammer, etc.. Yet, I can still rank a site with gibberish content (as far as backlinks goes). At this point in time, I think google seems to only be worried about damage control more than anything. At least until technology advances, so its more or less a matter of time.

Originally Posted by Flodner

From technical point of view it seems it's very easy for Google to attack Sape. But why didn't they do it before? Sape has even wikipedia page. Do you believe that Matt Cutts didn't know about it before?
Attack on Sape will hurt Google's reputation because thousands and thousands of people buy and sell links on Sape.

Because people give too much credit to Google's web spam team and Matt Cutts in particular. Case in point - Matt Cutts has been saying for years that paid links will get your site into trouble, yet SAPE has remained effective all these years.

I didn't mean you in particular. Just addressing some of the (un)intentional scare mongering going on.

I see your piont.

People just need someone to present so-called Google's thoughts for them. The site owner need source for news.
That's the reason similar to Television, why so many people watch different shows? Matt Cutts is some kind of showman or a clown, and I don't care much what he says on his twitter

Originally Posted by Robby54

From my personal experience, Google know about a lot of things, the thing is, they will not act on it until it become a noticeable problem. Why?

There biggest enemy (in my opinion) is CPU. There is not a CPU (or Clusters of CPU's) on the market that would be able to accommodate the massive addition they would need to make to combat half of the problem's with their current algorithm.

Second thing, if a five year old could create a sape account, rank for powerful keywords and yet spent only 5 minutes creating his site...(just look at the auto insurance niche for example) people are going to be pissed (the every day users) once trashy pages start to dominate the search engines.

Google know's about spun content, bad grammer, etc.. Yet, I can still rank a site with gibberish content (as far as backlinks goes). At this point in time, I think google seems to only be worried about damage control more than anything. At least until technology advances, so its more or less a matter of time.

Agree on this..

5 year old kids doesn't understand russian, just my 2 cents :P

It is like if some one used only SAPE links they must have chance. If people use it along with other platform it would not affect in anyways. I have used like about 10% SAPE links my client is still safe.

Originally Posted by roman375

Because people give too much credit to Google's web spam team and Matt Cutts in particular. Case in point - Matt Cutts has been saying for years that paid links will get your site into trouble, yet SAPE has remained effective all these years.

You are so right, ppl are scared of google ... let DP or WF have fear

*yawn* This again? I swear some guys are looking forward to Google going after Sape. Are we not all wearing the same hat? I've spent the majority of the day looking over hundreds of our client campaigns and nearly all of them are still going strong. Yandex has been targeting Sape links for years with little success. I really doubt Big G is going to slay this beast in just a few weeks.

Originally Posted by roman375

All Google has to do to discredit a particularly effective SEO technique (ie. SAPE) is to shuffle the SERPs around randomly and then people will do the rest of the work for them by passing off unsubstantiated claims as fact. Fear mongering much?

Google could downsize its entire web spam team to a single person that every now and then presses a button which shuffles the SERPs, accompanied by an intentionally vague tweet/blog post, and people will run around yelling SEO is dead. Oh wait...

but we know they don't. We know they do take action. Assuming Google is all bark and no bite is just silly.

Originally Posted by GoldenGlovez

*yawn* This again? I swear some guys are looking forward to Google going after Sape. Are we not all wearing the same hat? I've spent the majority of the day looking over hundreds of our client campaigns and nearly all of them are still going strong. Yandex has been targeting Sape links for years with little success. I really doubt Big G is going to slay this beast in just a few weeks.

But there are a large majority of Sape users saying they have been hit hard? I don't think they are lying....

one of my blogger blog came out of penalty and started getting traffic again today.. may be there is an update for all the platforms..
My other wordpress blogs are still not showing any improvement nor any negative effect. waiting...
But i am still waiting for the BIG update like Panda, Penguin sort of.. G is Evil now for sure

Originally Posted by Flodner

From technical point of view it seems it's very easy for Google to attack Sape. But why didn't they do it before? Sape has even wikipedia page. Do you believe that Matt Cutts didn't know about it before?
Attack on Sape will hurt Google's reputation because thousands and thousands of people buy and sell links on Sape.

Of course Google will know about all the Black Hat methods, they probably monitor BHW and read these very posts. I've asked a lot of MD's of big companies and they all know about BHW and their techniques...so why wouldn't Matt & Google look at these websites to see how it could "potentially harm Google's user experience".

At the end of the day, that's what they are worried about - it's all about the user experience. So as soon as a BH method e.g. SAPES, starts to harm that experience...then Google will take action. Otherwise they wont waste resources on it, they will just learn from it and see the holes in their own algorithm.

I was also hit by this update, but I really hope that my website is just "dancing" because it is new and still indexed.

Originally Posted by buttmonk

But there are a large majority of Sape users saying they have been hit hard? I don't think they are lying....

Where is this large majority you speak of? I see a significant number of people in here saying their sites are just fine. I also have the proof on the backend to backup my statement. When and IF Google does attack Sape, I'd be one of the first to make it known.

Originally Posted by GoldenGlovez

Where is this large majority you speak of? I see a significant number of people in here saying their sites are just fine. I also have the proof on the backend to backup my statement. When and IF Google does attack Sape, I'd be one of the first to make it known.

But are you not with Tommy as a provider of Sape Links? Surely you will always say Sape is going strong to get more business?

Originally Posted by buttmonk

But are you not with Tommy as a provider of Sape Links? Surely you will always say Sape is going strong to get more business?

So? I don't sell snake oil. I offer a service that works. If it no longer works, I no longer sell it. Simple as that.

I think that's hard to target a specific link seller, even for mighty G. So any changes of algorithms will affect different sites with similar link profile.
D.

Def been some algo shift. Although not related to SAPE, my cruddy blog has risen up from the ashes.

Glad I have not tried it on my site or any of my client's website.
But things not clear now if it was targetted to websites using SAPE links.

newbee question here what is SAPE link is it a private network