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    So i was curious if anyone had done a case study on this. No backlinks nothing just content posted to a website on a regular basis?

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    I had split tested this. Yes, its possible if you are aiming for pure quality content. But, you will have to wait for a long time. I would say that its better to have such sites in your portfolio which has no SEO done on them. They take few months to mature and then automatically start ranking when people start linking to your site(Please note that your content should be good enough otherwise crappy content won't last long)

    But if you start backlinking the articles then you will start seeing quicker results. So, try it but don't expect quick money. Keep it for long term benefit

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    IF you add content regular basis i thing it will help you to get PR but to get serp Ranking you must have to do some backlinks

    0 backlinks cant get your site SERP Ranking (My opinion)

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    Yes! If the page is well optimized for the keyword, the domain has some authority and there is little link competition.

    For example this page ranks #1 for the keyword "ranking a website purely on content" and has no links coming to it, why? well it's optimized for that keyword, has little competition and is on an authority site.

    SEO isn't hard, it's competition that makes it hard...

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    I have the answer you are looking for.

    I worked on a website and targeted four keywords. The only thing I did was build high quality content. It took A WHOLE YEAR but it came from nowhere to number 2 for one of those keywords. Up to this day I still post content on that site. The keywords I would say have some medium high competition to them too.

    If you are curious, I have spent two years doing this same thing on this site. No backlinks. Just content.

    *EDIT*

    These were not longtail keywords

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    It can be done for keywords like "breeding sheeps in Altai mountains" or anothet long tail keyword like this.
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    If the URL has existing authority and the site has traffic then yes. If no to those then it's hard, especially on hard terms. But this may be the case in the future.

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    Hi

    Iam trying this for 2 month's now. And yes it is working but it will take a long time to become on first page.
    I ranked 3 high / comp keywords

    All are in top 50 now.

    Only thing i do is ad some content weekly, sumbit 2 articles a week and link it for the 3 diff keywords to my website.

    I started this doing becourse i saw a competitor ranked #1 with only 9 backlinks in high comp. keywords.
    I think there is somekind of loophole to get ranked well with view backlinks.

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    No.. you'll need to have backlinks.
    the content could help you achieve that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackmitch View Post
    I have the answer you are looking for.

    I worked on a website and targeted four keywords. The only thing I did was build high quality content. It took A WHOLE YEAR but it came from nowhere to number 2 for one of those keywords. Up to this day I still post content on that site. The keywords I would say have some medium high competition to them too.

    If you are curious, I have spent two years doing this same thing on this site. No backlinks. Just content.

    *EDIT*

    These were not longtail keywords
    hi

    do you mind to share some info about this subject?
    did only one keyword from the 4 hit the top #10?

    I had also a site with 4 keywords, only 2 came in top 50 soon, and about 6 month's later the other 2 where ranking.

    I do this not to make money i just want to try it out, and want to now more about strange behavior from google :-)

    What also helps, i stop adding content for a view weeks, then ad just a little content whitout your keyword and then start adding content again like you did before.

    When i was doing that my site jumped from page 5/6 to page 2, and now it is on page 2 for 2 month's

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    Wasn't planning it, mostly just being lazy. Pretty solid content, relationship niche, after two years ~700 visitors per month.

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    Default Re: Is ranking a website basic purely on content possible.

    IF you add content regular basis i thing it will help you to get PR but to get serp Ranking you must have to do some backlinks

    0 backlinks cant get your site SERP Ranking (My opinion)
    This statement is wrong for the PR part. PR is directly linked to PR flow from backlinks.

    To answer OP questions, yes it is possible as far as your content is receiving some backlinks as your visitors are sharing it. Unless you are trying to rank for a similar kw as "fruhjtilapus" (where BHW will be your competitor soon ), where in that case you cank rank solely on content.

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    It can be done and i prefer to build such websites

    this is my latest project - started 4 month ago, haven't build a single link, yet i do have ~240 now (naturally)

    ~700 posts. pretty happy about it and don't give a damn thing about the next google update


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    awesome thanks guys, reason for the question is that i have been really busy with other IM stuff that has been going really well for me and before i started i was running an AS with adsense it was going really well but i no longer have time to do the link building that i once was yet i have over 100 articles that are very well writen and extreamly helpful to the nieche that i am in. I was thinking of maybe posting thee posts at around 3 a day or something and putting that through a stricked GSA campaign but my site is mainly whitehat links and is doing well. So was wondering if GSA was worth the risk or if i could just go by content. The keywords are not super competitive at all but im thinking with no links i would be on bottom of first page or first on second.

    Anyone have any advice on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0meo View Post
    It can be done and i prefer to build such websites

    this is my latest project - started 4 month ago, haven't build a single link, yet i do have ~240 now (naturally)

    ~700 posts. pretty happy about it and don't give a damn thing about the next google update

    thats awesome what kind of rankings/traffic are you getting for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HostStage View Post
    This statement is wrong for the PR part. PR is directly linked to PR flow from backlinks.

    To answer OP questions, yes it is possible as far as your content is receiving some backlinks as your visitors are sharing it. Unless you are trying to rank for a similar kw as "fruhjtilapus" (where BHW will be your competitor soon ), where in that case you cank rank solely on content.
    Yes! PR depends on getting Link from High PR websites,But PR has a little value to on telling the site is authority site. so its impotent to get PR.

    I researched few website which dont have any backlinks but have PR 2 and PR 3 but those sites are not on SERP results for any keywords!

    I found few sites have only 10 high PR backlinks which help the site to get PR 1 within 2 month.

    To me,
    Both adding quality content regularly and getting relevant backlinks is the key to get Good SERP Ranking.

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    yesterday i got 14K unique and 140eu

    nearly all my kws in top10

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0meo View Post
    yesterday i got 14K unique and 140eu

    nearly all my kws in top10
    thats crazy with no link building lol well done
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    Default Re: Is ranking a website basic purely on content possible.

    if you manage to find a niche with LOADS of kws and the first google page is something like :

    #1 -pr0
    #2 -pr1
    #3 -N/A
    #4 -N/A
    #5 - pr0

    pure content and social presence would do a job just fine.

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    yeah totally agree with that, must be interesting to see links that people have done naturally i have done a lot of link building so is hard to see the natural stuff anymore. What do you think about running a GSA campaign on these is it worth it or should i just let the content rank itself?
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    So i was curious if anyone had done a case study on this. No backlinks nothing just content posted to a website on a regular basis?

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    Hi,

    Actually yes my blog is live case study of this right now - http://www.matthewwoodward.co.uk/exp...es-experiment/

    I decided to play purely by the webmaster guidelines for a change and in 5 months the blog has earnt $35,000 and secured a range of number 1 rankings including 'buy seo'

    The site had no existing authority - in fact even now its still only a PR1.

    So I have to disagree with everyone above that says it takes a year, will only get rankings for long tail keywords, the site needs be authorative etc.

    I started putting real effort into creating tutorials/content on the 1st Aug 2012.

    This is what my traffic from Google looks like across that time up until yesterday-



    Google Traffic broken down by month-

    Aug 2012: 376
    Sep 2012: 944
    Oct 2012: 1,681
    Nov 2012: 2,319
    Dec 2012: 2,710
    Jan 2013: 5,961
    Feb 2013 (so far): 5,730

    So what do you think? Is my zero link building experiment successful?

    What is an interesting point I think we need to touch upon during this discussion is how the next 12 months are going to change the search landscape.

    I firmly believe the next 12 months we are going to see some of the biggest fundamental shifts to how Google ranks websites we have ever seen.

    I think we are going to see less of a dependance on links (which will still play a part) and a bigger weight placed on social signals and authorship.

    Just my two cents ^^

    Feel free to hammer any questions at me about my case study/experiment here and I'll do my best to answer in extensive detail

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    Thats amazing to hear bro, plus you will be the one laughing here at the next penguin panda update and everyone crashes and you are fine. In fact looking at your site did you do video tutorials as well i remember seeing something on a linkwheel and the logo looked the same so im guessing your the same guy or?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killix View Post
    So i was curious if anyone had done a case study on this. No backlinks nothing just content posted to a website on a regular basis?

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    It is just matter of quantity of content. Post over 400 reasonably good articles on one site and you will be seen as an authority and rank without much links. Quantity means much more than quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killix View Post
    Thats amazing to hear bro, plus you will be the one laughing here at the next penguin panda update and everyone crashes and you are fine. In fact looking at your site did you do video tutorials as well i remember seeing something on a linkwheel and the logo looked the same so im guessing your the same guy or?
    I have recently updated my logo (that was a bitch btw) so yeah probably the person your thinking of

    I dont see why people are so quick to rush out to build links and ranks their sites before getting the basics right. Link building/SEO is the last piece of the puzzle - the site should already have traffic before starting any SEO campaign.

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    It is just matter of quantity of content. Post over 400 reasonably good articles on one site and you will be seen as an authority and rank without much links. Quantity means much more than quality.
    In terms of rankings you are right.

    In terms of conversions/bottom line profits, I disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post
    I have recently updated my logo (that was a bitch btw) so yeah probably the person your thinking of

    I dont see why people are so quick to rush out to build links and ranks their sites before getting the basics right. Link building/SEO is the last piece of the puzzle - the site should already have traffic before starting any SEO campaign.



    In terms of rankings you are right.

    In terms of conversions/bottom line profits, I disagree
    Totally agree with you on that, no point in linkbuilding to a site that has crappy content and not even the basics started. I posted 100 articles to this site with perfect onsite seo and so on before i did any form of linking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post
    In terms of rankings you are right.

    In terms of conversions/bottom line profits, I disagree
    I didn't say anything about profits, however if I had 20 000 visits I would probably earn around $5K. Newbies probably even less. You earned $35K. Is your secret in building a list and promoting affiliate offers using this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killix View Post
    Totally agree with you on that, no point in linkbuilding to a site that has crappy content and not even the basics started. I posted 100 articles to this site with perfect onsite seo and so on before i did any form of linking.
    By reasonable quality I do not mean auto-spun garbage, but something like a $10 500 word article.

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    Yes it is possible to rank a website and earn well from it without building links to it.

    But that does not mean that the website you are building has no links to it. Google, unfortunately still relies on links to rank you.

    Take this as an example. Your mom gives you the best bagel recipe in the world. You know it is the best bagel the world has ever tasted. So you go and start your bagel shop, but start it right in the middle of the Nevada dessert.

    Sure, people will come to the bagel shop even in the middle of the dessert. In fact,they will pay more for the bagel.

    There is only one problem though. It's only you and your mom who know about it. You really have to tell people about it.

    So since you are not link building, how do they get to know about your website? How are the tour guides (search engines) going to know that you even have that bagel shop?

    So yes, you can rank a site with excellent content. But it takes time and most people don't have the luxury of time. You don't have to use link building though. You can tell people about it simply through social signals.

    I have seen many a site rank high in search engines very fast simply because everyone was talking about them. Link building was non-existent or very little. However, engaging people online worked very well. Take it like going to networking parties for the bagel shop.

    But why may I ask would anyone want to slow down the process of making good money?

    So write good content + Be Superb at social networking + build links = and you should do just fine and dandy. Leaving any part off that equation only slows down the speed at which you become financially independent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonlighsunligh View Post
    By reasonable quality I do not mean auto-spun garbage, but something like a $10 500 word article.
    Yeah ofc i wasn't pointing that comment at you it was more just a broad comment about how people tend to write crappy content and then span it with links hoping to get rank 1. I agree with your comment on needing more quantity but not over quality i sitll think quality plays a really main role. But as you said you dont mean spun content so yeah
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    Yes it is possible to rank a website and earn well from it without building links to it.

    But that does not mean that the website you are building has no links to it. Google, unfortunately still relies on links to rank you.

    Take this as an example. Your mom gives you the best bagel recipe in the world. You know it is the best bagel the world has ever tasted. So you go and start your bagel shop, but start it right in the middle of the Nevada dessert.

    Sure, people will come to the bagel shop even in the middle of the dessert. In fact,they will pay more for the bagel.

    There is only one problem though. It's only you and your mom who know about it. You really have to tell people about it.

    So since you are not link building, how do they get to know about your website? How are the tour guides (search engines) going to know that you even have that bagel shop?

    So yes, you can rank a site with excellent content. But it takes time and most people don't have the luxury of time. You don't have to use link building though. You can tell people about it simply through social signals.

    I have seen many a site rank high in search engines very fast simply because everyone was talking about them. Link building was non-existent or very little. However, engaging people online worked very well. Take it like going to networking parties for the bagel shop.

    But why may I ask would anyone want to slow down the process of making good money?

    So write good content + Be Superb at social networking + build links = and you should do just fine and dandy. Leaving any part off that equation only slows down the speed at which you become financially independent.
    Very well said.
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    I started a website last year in June. The niche is too competitive or I should say one of the toughest niches around to make money. Since then till today I have written 1 article each day which is well researched and almost all the articles have infographics attached. Have done no backlinking at all...

    As of today I get around 500 unique visitors a day and earn around $20 from adsense only.

    My take is, it is very much possible. I don't believe in keyword research! What I do is market research. Get under the bloody skin of your niche and write content which solves people's problems and you will see your website on page one for numerous long tail keywords similar to each other.

    There are other ranking factors as well but this is just to share my experience with regards to your question. With no backlinking also you can build authority website. The right example would be Wikipedia. But this is a long term strategy but will never let you down if you have the patience to stick to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by akbarsheikh View Post
    I started a website last year in June. The niche is too competitive or I should say one of the toughest niches around to make money. Since then till today I have written 1 article each day which is well researched and almost all the articles have infographics attached. Have done no backlinking at all...

    As of today I get around 500 unique visitors a day and earn around $20 from adsense only.

    My take is, it is very much possible. I don't believe in keyword research! What I do is market research. Get under the bloody skin of your niche and write content which solves people's problems and you will see your website on page one for numerous long tail keywords similar to each other.

    There are other ranking factors as well but this is just to share my experience with regards to your question. With no backlinking also you can build authority website. The right example would be Wikipedia. But this is a long term strategy but will never let you down if you have the patience to stick to it

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    I agree with this but i think that some keyword research is vital for more searches i dont mean it to totally change your articles but if you no the best keywords and put them in just once you will get a large traffic boost.
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    If you know your niche in an out and the topic well then keywords would flow naturally. Building a large website with content requires much more conviction then dreaming about sipping margaritas by the sea! People just hype too much as far as keyword research goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by akbarsheikh View Post
    If you know your niche in an out and the topic well then keywords would flow naturally. Building a large website with content requires much more conviction then dreaming about sipping margaritas by the sea! People just hype too much as far as keyword research goes!
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    If you know your niche in an out and the topic well then keywords would flow naturally. Building a large website with content requires much more conviction then dreaming about sipping margaritas by the sea! People just hype too much as far as keyword research goes!
    I agree with Akbar here, most of my traffic comes from keywords that evolved from my content naturally and then ones I tried to target actually didn't work out as well as I hoped!

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    So i was curious if anyone had done a case study on this. No backlinks nothing just content posted to a website on a regular basis?

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    yes its possible if your working on keywords that have no competition...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killix View Post
    Yeah ofc i wasn't pointing that comment at you it was more just a broad comment about how people tend to write crappy content and then span it with links hoping to get rank 1. I agree with your comment on needing more quantity but not over quality i sitll think quality plays a really main role. But as you said you dont mean spun content so yeah

    But google judges quality as a bot not a human. Google cannot distinguish good grammar-error-free from excellent content. IT can find grammar errors topically irrelevant words and phrases but that's all. Then cannot use NLP, some people think Google doesn't even use engrams too much.


    I see every day crappy content ranks on top; however these sites probably doesn't last too much but they're on top long enough to be profitable.
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    I love this discussion. Great topic with a lot of experiments and opinions here

    As for my part: Yes, you can actually Rank with no link-Building by having a site that covers a whole Niche. You would naturally rank for thousands of Long Tail Keywords. And finally you would rank for good keywords

    Keyword Research is important as there are many keywords with same meaning. Some have zero competition and Some have Tough Competition. This is why some sites with 100 Articles have all keywords ranking and others suffer to get only half of them rank

    @Romeo... Like your strategy and this is the way to go. 700 Pages in 4 Months... Just Amazing

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    i would not be sure thinking that google is not getting better on valuating content quality - and i am not talking about grammar nor spelling.


    their technology are light years ahead

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    Quote Originally Posted by KHer0 View Post
    I love this discussion. Great topic with a lot of experiments and opinions here

    As for my part: Yes, you can actually Rank with no link-Building by having a site that covers a whole Niche. You would naturally rank for thousands of Long Tail Keywords. And finally you would rank for good keywords

    Keyword Research is important as there are many keywords with same meaning. Some have zero competition and Some have Tough Competition. This is why some sites with 100 Articles have all keywords ranking and others suffer to get only half of them rank

    @Romeo... Like your strategy and this is the way to go. 700 Pages in 4 Months... Just Amazing
    Totally agree with you there and yeah 700 articles in 4 months is nuts either he is a genius or outsourced the articles either way he is a genius or has a massive wallet! But all props to him for doing it and succeeding.
    This member has been permanently banned from BHW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0meo View Post
    if you manage to find a niche with LOADS of kws and the first google page is something like :

    #1 -pr0
    #2 -pr1
    #3 -N/A
    #4 -N/A
    #5 - pr0

    pure content and social presence would do a job just fine.
    This one is extremely easy. In reality it is easy to rank for much tougher competition with 400-500 pages site.

    One problems is that suckers competitors will report your site if the content quality is substandard.



    Quote Originally Posted by R0meo View Post
    i would not be sure thinking that google is not getting better on valuating content quality - and i am not talking about grammar nor spelling.


    their technology are light years ahead
    They cannot use NLP because they do not have enough CPU power. So they use Naive Bayes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naive_Bayes_classifier
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    There is one more critical factor which is important in ranking without backlinks is "CSI" aka " Content Saturation Index". What I mean here is if your website is in a niche like " Car Insurance" then it will be hard to rank for even the long tail initially coz there is super content getting published day in and day out and getting indexed. Whether it is on your main website or for backlinking. CSI is very high for competitive niches. On the contrary if you are targeting a niche with low CSI like "pegion racing" then ranking for keywords will be much faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killix View Post
    Totally agree with you on that, no point in linkbuilding to a site that has crappy content and not even the basics started. I posted 100 articles to this site with perfect onsite seo and so on before i did any form of linking.
    Exactly Build a well oiled highly tuned engagement & conversion machine - THEN worry about links.

    Well actually then worry about traffic, links & SEO come last when your already making money/established the site.

    Most people get this the wrong way round.

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    I didn't say anything about profits, however if I had 20 000 visits I would probably earn around $5K. Newbies probably even less. You earned $35K. Is your secret in building a list and promoting affiliate offers using this list.
    My secret isn't really a secret - I find out what people want and give it to them.

    For the most part I realised that what I did every single day brainlessly was actually helpful to some people - so started recording what I did and packaged it up as a tutorial.

    When people sign up to my email lsit, the first thing I ask is how can I help them. I spend a lot of time answering these emails. Later on I ask them what tutorial they want to see next and I've made a bunch of tutorials based on user requests and have a huge list of ideas.

    So as long as the audience keeps telling me what they want and I keep giving it to them its win win.

    The next series will be building a site from scratch and making its first sale over my shoulder step by step - readers will be able to follow along week by week with the updates I create and have full transparency of the site and analytics to check it all out for themselves as a reference point.

    Why am I doing all that?

    Because thats what the readers want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post
    Exactly Build a well oiled highly tuned engagement & conversion machine - THEN worry about links.
    Well actually then worry about traffic, links & SEO come last when your already making money/established the site.
    Most people get this the wrong way round.
    I do not agree with the point that you need to first think on conversion rate. It is nothing if no visitors come to a site. Even with crappy content build only for Google if one targets buyer keyword he would still earn at least something (1/3 of what he would be earning with normal content). But without traffic je would earn nothing.

    So,for traffic without much links, it is better to write 500 medium-grade articles than 100 high-quality ones. But it is the same if you can write over 500 quality ones - however that would require over 1 year of work. On their own longer and more quality articles don't rank better.

    Having said that if you build links or do PPC conversion is everything, except in niches with many products where it is better to cover any product keyword there is.

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    I'm not sure why you wouldn't do both. If you want to rank stuff easily you need some website authority. Get authority by writing content, building links, guest blogging, whatever. Then start drilling out the content. Also, lots of my clients who are small businesses aka city alarm company, using a content strategy for them wouldn't really be that helpful or affordable for them. However, building links and ranking them organically via regular listing and places listing works great.

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