I've used this network myself and the results are awesome but I knew it wouldn't last long:

http://www.linkbuildr.com/sape-links...oming-for-you/

What do you think guys?

Can't say I didn't see it coming, but I never bothered with it.

We don't really need to worry, we got a few extremely powerful services (not sape related) on here to help people rank.

i think its about to die now so i decided to make poston my blog after 2 years using it - how to use sape russian network

Just from taking a look at some of the SAPE links I've found and some I've bought, all they are are high PR shit sites with XRumered-out backlinks. Even if Matty Cutts somehow miraculously finds every single site in the SAPE network, that still doesn't get to what's really making these sites powerful: XRumer.

Rule of thumb: Spam is the shit and will always be there and will always work.

If Matt Cutts will be able not to deindex but to decrease the power of these sites he is BIG. But he won't It's like deciding that from tomorrow .net websites won't get first places on SERPs anymore

Originally Posted by maecenas23

If Matt Cutts will be able not to deindex but to decrease the power of these sites he is BIG.

Obviously....

Yeah there are definitely other gray-hat strategies that are easily automated out there. I don't think people realize the scope of an update that big G will have to make to take down the Sape Network. Advanced machine learning, OBL pattern monitoring and an ability to notice when a site has huge blocks of text with a bunch of unrelated "commercial" keywords and content in them.

No big deal, Sape will be gone in next few days and something new will come up, smart people are not going to buy Sape links now.

I am not sad of hearing that I saw it coming. I used SAPE in every way possible and I don't need it anymore!

hahaha ^^

Satisfied users be happy with this news... but there are lot of people who doesnt care about sape at all

sooner or later G will go after them, so just enjoy while it lasts

sape has been around since 2006, the only reason matt cutts is focusing on it now is because in the last few months it has become more "main stream". the russians don't mind because there a few other sites like sape which offer the same type of links for the same price (I won't mention them here because I don't want them to die as well)

This is the problem when a network is outed publicly, only few month's been outed and sape will be gone. On to the next network lol

hehe sape is operating since 2006 so he is 7 years behind

So one day will we run out of safe haven networks like "sape"?
And should we proactively seek to cloak the source of links and brand the service to where clients cannot
actively say where the links ect are coming from to avoid saturation?

How do we approach the future?

Edit...To add this is proof spam works and full black hat works. Trick is to hide it from Google.
Peoples websites did not go down in the SERPS because the same techniques do not work. They went down because Google found out
what was working and slapped it.

Interesting...

I wouldn't worry too much, black hat is working as good as ever, if done the correct way, depends on whether you are using for quick returns or cloaking for long term results, we have managed to rank for high comp niches from spamming just this last few weeks, it was a rank and burn job but proved bh is still largely working, all we did is simply make sure the ratio of anchor was correct, as I said before if looking for longer results simply cloak, will take a while longer to rank but you will have lasting results.

People are only worrying Sape is coming down because mostly it is those who only found out about it recently, true blackhatters will know Sape was a gem yes but there are many more diamonds to be had out there!

Originally Posted by delboy2010

People are only worrying Sape is coming down because mostly it is those who only found out about it recently, true blackhatters will know Sape was a gem yes but there are many more diamonds to be had out there!

Yeah but are Diamonds being created to replenish the stock?

Only constant is change...

Even if it is taken down now, someone will come up with another way of using it and will get the benefits of it while the majority run the other way.

As mentioned there are many other services that work like sape and offer similar value in Russia and other countries, I am not worried about Google affecting them, as I can see many other services coming onto the scene.

"Naughty Russian link selling software"
LOL... didnt know it was a "software"

Matt makes some ppl believe that buying / selling links is a crime... jeezzz

The sky is falling!

Cutts just wants to buy a few authority links on sape to boost google's own rank.
Jokes aside, those of us neck deep in real analysis know very well there is nothing much Google can do. Sape is a moving target, they will need to write a separate classificator for it which is very hard to do as Yandex's experience shows. And please stop tripping about how Google is going to scrape Sape to download all the domains from the system. Have you noticed the word Russian at all? Who owns payday loan and viagra verticals. Russians play hard and f^%$# hard. First get to know Russian blkachats and then trip on here.

Sape is not a software. People, are you sure that he is not talking about Xrumer ?
Edit: Just saw that it's link selling, Sape is not a software but Xrumer is not selling links as well.

Google has no way of keeping track of SAPE links. the network is too fresh and updated every single day,
And I bet Google has no right of black listing every site selling links on SAPE (that would be against their own TOS)
they ban SAPE - simple, they relocate.
There will always be a way to control Google and any other search engine

Originally Posted by Berkeli

Google has no way of keeping track of SAPE links. the network is too fresh and updated every single day,
And I bet Google has no right of black listing every site selling links on SAPE (that would be against their own TOS)
they ban SAPE - simple, they relocate.
There will always be a way to control Google and any other search engine

So said { insert every single public blog network }. Its not that SAPE can't reposition themselves. Good for them if they can, yippie.

It's that everybody using it will crash and burn, just like they did when using BMR.

I'd be nervous right now if I had used SAPE, if Google has a way of identifying the sites (dunno haven't used it). What I do know is that if Google does the same thing it did with BMR, its not going to be particularly pleasant for the buyers of SAPE links when they do the crackdown.

He'll just sign up, order the largest pack and then look for a footprint in the network. Then you'll get the unnatural links email from Google.

I've stopped using sape. I'll stick to smaller networks.

Originally Posted by phpbuilt

So said { insert every single public blog network }. Its not that SAPE can't reposition themselves. Good for them if they can, yippie.

It's that everybody using it will crash and burn, just like they did when using BMR.

You're a savvy guy and I usually admire your posts, however I think your mistaking sape here, sape is not a network like BMR its way more than that. BMR, HPS etc etc are microscopic in terms of SAPE. Your talking almost 1 million sites here which grows and changes daily, yandex has been trying to fight sape for over 6 years, matt has known about the network for a long time, his recent tweet has everyone stating what has been obvious to anyone with half a brain for like ever - google knows about sape? Thats all I'm getting from his vague tweet tbh.....

Originally Posted by t0mmy

sape is not a network like BMR its way more than that

I just don't know enough about it then, like I said I haven't used it.

But let me play Devil's advocate here ... though I still don't know much about it.

Lets say Google invests money into buying links. They get their links on 1k websites. Each site might have 20 outgoing links being rented. Now I'm going to give Google a little credit here and pretend for a minute that they're as smart as I am. I've just identified 20k websites. I'll call this first 20k the "seed" sites.

I run an algorithm on the link portfolios of the seed sites, removing the obvious (wordpress, blogger, article directories, forums, any auto-generated types of links) and I'm left with a large pool of links remaining. Then I cross reference them to find common links shared between the naughty sites.

Thats all it takes. Boom, 1 million sites found.

To rephrase it in case you didn't follow the logic ...

Google puts 1000 links and discovers 20,000 naughty sites. Google looks at the link portfolios of the 20k naughty sites and, through process of elimination, finds common links between the 20k that reveals another 100k bad links, then puts that 100k through to find common links to eventually reveal the entire network.

The guys at Google are quite smart, they've got their degrees, and this is their job. Don't think they can't do it if they don't want to.

Edit: and let me just say this too ... January 2012 I'd be all like "Google is stupid, they can't figure stuff like this out, there's nothing Google can do about it". Penguin and Panda are pretty clever. I don't underestimate Google anymore.

Matt Cutts have said on his Twitter account that they're working on taking SAPE down. Not sure if he can pull it off as there's tons of sites in that network. But then again they took down BMR, ALN and all the other famous public networks that worked wonders back then. I'm pretty sure every professional SEOer here knows that the downfall of SAPE links is just a matter of time. Well, what goes big goes down.

Originally Posted by phpbuilt

*snip*

And there's also the logic that a network this big can't defend against Google successfully every single time. Eventually they will get through and it only takes one time.

This is why the only way to go is small networks in my opinion.

And as you say, they only have to find the sites in common with the current SAPE users and bang, every site is discovered. Its actually quite simple.

@phpbuilt: Oh I understood your logic and I get what your saying here man I really do, but I find it hard to believe that if it was this simple then yandex would have pulled the plug on sape a long time ago rather than the millions they have spent trying to beat it bare in mind this is a moving target its changing and growing every day, degrees mean jack shit to me tbh its just a piece of paper, plus these russians are quite smart too....

As usual, I think Google will figure it out, they have more PhD's working for them then any company in the world. There might even be some collateral damage (or "friendly fire" as we call it here in the US)

I think it just goes to show what little people tell you about how they actually do SEO, but apparently for good reason. As soon as the cat is out of the bag, it's fair game to be fixed by Google.

BH will never die, so it dosent matter.

They may not deindex all the sites in Sape network, but they can surely lower the value of links coming from such sites.

Originally Posted by lover

They may not deindex all the sites in Sape network, but they can surely lower the value of links coming from such sites.

There are a lot of legit very good sites in Sape, I don't believe google will aim to deindex them, most probably they will try to minimize the effect of them somehow.

Originally Posted by ivanpenev

There are a lot of legit very good sites in Sape, I don't believe google will aim to deindex them, most probably they will try to minimize the effect of them somehow.

I guarantee you'll find Google sends out thousands of unnatural link emails to people using SAPE and deindex the SAPE sites.

Originally Posted by gorang

I guarantee you'll find Google sends out thousands of unnatural link emails to people using SAPE and deindex the SAPE sites.

Most of the time, Google will crash whole network and deindex them. This way, Next update will hit all the sites that are in the top of serp using sape will be taken down.

If not today, tomorrow. The point is if you're going to use it, milk it while the cow is still lactating.

There will then be a new method that comes into prominence. And yes spam will always work, and networks will always be unboxed and deindexed at the first misstep. The big mistake is that IMers saw an opportunity to make money, the human desire for more $$ kicked in, and these links became widely available on a public forum to an English speaking audience. That was already the death knell.

In google.com seo footer links are something new. In other countries like poland, russia etc that methods are ooold. In USA people use web2.0 tools. In other countries people build tons of websites with footer backlinks. I heard many times that google will take down all footer backlinks systems in my country and what? Nothing Some sites got banned and thats all. Even if google will ban all sape network - there are other networks and more places in serps for us

That service is already devalued, trust me, otherwise visit Matt's twitter page.