I completed my 1000 posts on another forum and thought to write a tutorial there. And now i am thinking, why not post it for my BHW Mates?

Fishy Seo That Does Not Look Much Fishy And Ranks You

I do not make a site to run it forever. I mean I create sites, make some money through them and immediately flip them.

I never made more than $4000 a month through a single website. Therefore, if you want to do better money than that amount, then dont read my tutorial.

Ok, I am repeating. I dont create a real world business website. I am always looking for a quick buck. I create a site, make monies through it and sell it asap.
So if you are the one who wants to go that way, READ ME.

Okay so, I will explain everything, considering that you are going to create a new website and want to know how to do seo for it.

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Creating a website that is fishy but does not look fishy -
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So lets say you thought to create a website on acne (or on any niche) and are wondering how to pick a good name.
Don't go for EXPIRED domains OR old domains or whatever (unless your budget is too good for buying a well established acne domain).
Get a domain that sounds like a brand name.
I am not going to tell you how to find a good keyword. I know all of you know it well. If you dont know this, go to to the guy who owns termexplorer.com, he is good at kw research.



Selecting topics for articles -


>Now google your keyword. If you want to rank for ACNE TREATMENT, then search ACNE TREATMENT and save all google suggestions using Ubersuggest.org Lets call this KEYWORD SET A.

>Now search your keyword in adwords tool (in broad) and pick first 30 results. Lets call it KEYWORD SET B

>Now again search your keyword in adwords tool (in exact mode), tick "only show ideas closely related to my search terms"

Now sort it according to "global monthly searches" (or if you prefer LOCAL MONTHLY SEARCHES, sort through it)
Export all the keywords. Lets call it KEYWORD SET C

Now look at KEYWORD SET A, SET B and SET C.
many keywords will look almost exact to each other.

For example, there may be 2 keywords "best acne treatment" and "acne treatment that works".
Basically both are same. You have to note different type keywords from KEYWORD SET A,B,C.
Lets call these filtered keywords "KEYWORD SET D"

Basically we are trying to pick keywords on different relevant topics, so that your site visitor does not feel that the articles are written for SEO purpose only and don't provide any real value.


Selecting topics for articles (social)
Go to digg.com, reddit.com, delicious.com, stumbleupon.com
Look for hot topics related to ACNE.
Pick 5-10 titles.
Lets call these "Social Keywords Set"


Selecting News topics for articles -
Go to google news and other news sites. Search your keyword there. Look at some news which are not Prweb shit news lol)
Find some real news about your keyword.
Note title of these news.
Lets call these "news keyword set".



Writing articles -
Your articles must be written from a US/UK native. I did lots of testing with articles and found that content written by US/UK native matters a lot. If you can put 2000 words on main page of your website, then

Now you have to order -
KEYWORD SET D
Social Keywords Set
news keyword set

Order them in different word counts. If you are ordering 100 articles, then have them randomly from 300 to 1000 words.


DONT FORGET TO TELL TO YOUR WRITER THAT EACH ARTICLE SHOULD HAVE SOME BULLET POINTS IN IT.
Subtitles, bullet points are must.

My recent experience says that google is giving much value to such articles than earlier.



Order articles. Get them. Post on your website.
You can drip them if you want.
Normally I publish 50-100 articles on my site over a week and then publish 1 article every 2 weeks.

Do a fucking hard internal linking in your website. Fucking hard means fucking hard.
If my site has 100 articles, then it has 300 internal links in it.




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Doing social media marketing that does not look fishy
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You have "social articles" and "news articles" on your site.
Buy social media marketing for each of those links.
Dont buy 5000 likes for a page. Spread them across those pages. Make it look natural.
There are high chances that your website will go viral on social media marketing and you will get all those likes/tweets etc automatically.


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DO not do google plus 1
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Yup. what else to talk for ^^?



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Off page optimization
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Dont build any links using spun articles. We have to use all handwritten unique articles only. Dont forget that you are already having a super solid site that looks too good (because of news and social type articles) and because of that fucking epic social media promotion.

All you lack is some links.

Stay away from all the SELL AND BUY SECTION (article spam/wiki spam/link wheel/link tier/link bullet/link ninza) crap.
Spun links such as mass wikis/mass bookmarks/mass article spam/mass web2.0 spam don't work. NOTHING WORKS REALLY.

Do you remember that initially forum profiles used to be too good and Xrumer was the only service/software you needed to rank your website for easy/mid-Comp. keywords?
Do you remember that initially bookmarking used to work too good and with 1k bookmarks, you used to break in top 10 for easy keywords?
Do you remember that senuke used to work too good last year and was able to rank you in top 10 for easy keywords?

Are they working good currently too? obviously NO.

Are they still working? NO!
A clear NO.



If they are working for you, then it means you have a big website.
An authority website will go higher with any type of spam BUT if your website is thin then the spam will rank you for some time only, and after a month you will lose your rankings. (BHW why dont you allow me writing that line in font size 2000?)


So we were saying that "bookmarks/forum profiles/article links" used to work great earlier but they do not work now.
So what works now? Links from hi PR sites?

YES YES YES
this thing still works. Works too good. The only problem is that a network can get deindexed later.


FUCK. so what is the solution?




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PUMPER SITES.
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After all of these updates, many of us started worrying for google updates and many of us are doing their seo through pumper sites.

Suppose that your main site is Acnetreatment123.com and you are done with Social media marketing and all the above steps. In that case, you build links to your main site through pumper sites.


Go to https://www.name.com/expired_domains...mpaign=expired
Search your keyword there and find some expired domains. Put domains in market samurai or in any other tool that can show AGE and backlinks of a big domain list.
Pick 3 domains that are more than 8 years old.
Pick 3 domains that have too many backlinks.

You got 6 domains. We will call these pumper domains.
Install wp on them. Slap 1000 words long content on main page of each blog.
Publish some articles on each one.

Build links to these 6 domains. Do all types of off page seo for it. If you think high PR posts work great, then buy high pr posts for them.
If you think QUESTION-ANSWER works too good these days, buy Q/A for them.
If you think mass web2.0/article/wiki spam works for them then buy that.

Once these pumper domains are ranked, 301 them to main site. EASY

This way you keep your main website safe. If any of those pumper site get penalized after some time, then you can remove the 301 redirection and your main site is still safe.
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An Important Thing
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Normally I target 6 different keywords for my website and make 6 pages for them. Then I set each of those pumper sites for 1 keyword, and once the site is ranked, I 301 to the respective page of main site.
Pumper sites make you safer.


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Fishy Off Page Seo That Looks Complete Legit
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Coming soon..
Keep SEOing

Excuse me for my 3rd language English.

Man! you just rock!

+ Rep! for this fuckin awesome share!!!

Thanks for the share dude!!

Pumper sites - love it.

What is your opinion on web 2.0 buffer sites? Where instead of redirecting you create a handful of web 2.0 blogs each with 4-6 pages linking to your money website. Then linking the buffer sites with a big diversity of backlinks.

Originally Posted by ueki94

What is your opinion on web 2.0 buffer sites? Where instead of redirecting you create a handful of web 2.0 blogs each with 4-6 pages linking to your money website. Then linking the buffer sites with a big diversity of backlinks.

A competitor complained about your web2.0s and SHIT, THAT IS DELETED.

My rep for a great post.. Good Job posting it

In Theory this looks good! BUT...

1. Six or more domain 301 to your money site, looks fishy to me and looks fishy to google..

2. Since those "pumper site" are already 301 to the money site, the only way you'll find out if there is something wrong with the "pumper site" is if something happens with your money site. But if something already happened to your money site, chances are, penalty is already passed to your money site.

3. Once you 301 those "pumper site" and one site got penalized, how the hell would you know which one of the pumper site is penalized?

Edit..hmmm after reading your op again, my number 3 question is answered by having a respected page for every 301 domain. Anyway, From the sites you built this way, how long it maintained its ranking? I think this is really good with your idea of flipping it as soon as it ranks.

Originally Posted by seoguy99

A competitor complained about your web2.0s and SHIT, THAT IS DELETED.

But you could hide yourself from all known spy tools by disallowing the spiders to spidering your site. Then it would be difficult for your competitor to find your web2.0s.

Originally Posted by hekasis

But you could hide yourself from all known spy tools by disallowing the spiders to spidering your site. Then it would be difficult for your competitor to find your web2.0s.

those backlink checker / spy tools does not need to access your site to know what is linking to you.

Although am not OK with some points but great post! Rep from me!

thanks for sharing mate

1. Do you host those 6 "pumper" domains no 6 different c-class IPs? If yes, what are the cheap solutions for hosting on different c-class IPs? Or even not cheap?

2. Do you buy those domains from name.com after they are deleted?

Originally Posted by hameem

1. Do you host those 6 "pumper" domains no 6 different c-class IPs? If yes, what are the cheap solutions for hosting on different c-class IPs? Or even not cheap?

2. Do you buy those domains from name.com after they are deleted?

Yes 6 pumper domains on 6 hosting, all with whois privacy enabled... why to leave a clue? whois comes free with name.com purchase using some coupon code..... Yep get domains from expired name.com domain lists. they works good.
SeoHosting.com provides cheap hosting.

great share mate, what is the success rate of this tutorial?

Originally Posted by gullsinn

great share mate, what is the success rate of this tutorial?

100%
Pumper sites are no secret. People those understand seo well, are doing it from a long time. Many of them 301 to their main site and many of them just give a link to their main site.

I think its great!

Good Job i may try to do something like that

+ Rep. And Subscribed to thread.

Thanks for sharing valuable info.
My questions:
How much money do I have to invest ?
and $4k is it pure profit ?

It look like I have to buy 100-150 articles of each cost near around $5
5*150= $750

Please reply

Originally Posted by Intruder

Thanks for sharing valuable info.
My questions:
How much money do I have to invest ?
and $4k is it pure profit ?

It look like I have to buy 100-150 articles of each cost near around $5
5*150= $750

Please reply

Same here, how much should we invest in a strategy like this?

Originally Posted by Intruder

Thanks for sharing valuable info.
My questions:
How much money do I have to invest ?
and $4k is it pure profit ?

It look like I have to buy 100-150 articles of each cost near around $5
5*150= $750

Please reply

Hover on freelancer/Elance/PayPerHour/MicroJobWorkers and get writers those write a 500 words article for $2.5
Post a job, you will get many candidates from there.
100 arts for main site = keep 50 of 300 words and other 50 ranges from 300-1000.... not more than 250 $
For pumper sites = 15 arts on each = not more than $40 per site.
Create like 6 pumper domains so pumper = 240 $ + 60 $ domains = 300 $
Per month 6 seo hostings = take from SeoHosting OR from (there are many seoHostings) = $30 per month max.

Expenses is really low .You see approx. 600 $ for sites setup and content and your labor.....and $30 per month on hosting and spend like $50 per month on articles.....

$4k is the max amount, i did from my 1 site in a month. Normally my profits lie between $800-$2k from a site.
I work on many sites at a given instance.
THe technique is proven for difficult keywords even. Did you read that social part? that part alone gets you lots of authority itself from social media as your posts get viral like mad and lots of traffic comes from socialSites alone.
i still remember i had got approx. 20kHits in one day after sharing urls on some social sites......
Ask if any other question.
Cheers!

great guide mate +23

I personally think that you have no ideea how to do seo if you say backlinks wont work anymore. I still do seo with wiki - social networks - high pr- incotent backlinks - social bookmarking etc. Works just fine.
seowannabe

Originally Posted by eLeSlash

I personally think that you have no ideea how to do seo if you say backlinks wont work anymore. I still do seo with wiki - social networks - high pr- incotent backlinks - social bookmarking etc. Works just fine.
seowannabe

I process seo of over 1000 websites and deal with 400+ clients a month. I dont have an idea about seo? really? i was at seomoz at some point also. I am not trying to prove here that i am a seo ninza or something like that but its clear u dont have an idea of things.
i never said backlinks does not work and if you are thinking that wikis, bookmarks such links are a good thing in days of today then u r wrong. Those stuffs might be cool for a site that u have made for ranking for short time but a brand will never go with stuffs like that.
Actually there is difference in the way, you can see services being offered in BHW BST, on fiverr and being offered by premium seo companies like seoservices.us
I dont think i should go in deep with an argument with u.
If you are thinking that those stuffs work for all the sites then wait for a few months and keep working on ur sites. U will shortly feel that those stuffs are for temprory basis ranking and u get removed later.

Why would you state that incontent article backlinks dont work anymore then? speaking about phpfox - wikis - elgg - drupal - dolphin - oxwall - buddypress
I feel like you deliberately want to make people confuse about seo
What seo strategy did you shared here beside getting thousand of likes for facebook? Is that what is now seo about? Likes on facebook?

It all boils down to these few questions...

1) How many times have you done this?

2) How long have you the 6 domains 301 to the main site?

3) Have you had one of the 6 domains penalised and had to remove the 301?

Originally Posted by eLeSlash

Why would you state that incontent article backlinks dont work anymore then? speaking about phpfox - wikis - elgg - drupal - dolphin - oxwall - buddypress
I feel like you deliberately want to make people confuse about seo

They work but they are for ranking you on temp. basis.
The purpose of guide was to make someone ranking in safely and in a way that is almost for a long term.
links those u typed above ^^ are good enough for ranking someone but that is completely temp basis.

Actually its all about how a thing work.
Lemme explain in detail.
There are providers those sell bookmarks for $5 for 300 bookmarks.. right?
now there are many people those will charge you $100 for only 1 submission on stumbleupon. But guess what? their profile on stumbleupon adds value to the site. They are old on stumbleupon. Have likes on legit posts. Have legit comments. lots of stuffs like that.

Everything is good but only, when it adds real value that can get passed by a human employee. Know of penguin?
that does not deal with "over anchor optimization stuff" only. Panda was all about ur on page seo and penguin is all about off page seo.
In panda, they wanted u to create a nice site and looked for legit real unque content on ur site etc and in penguin they are searching for such stuffs for ur off page.
To be honest i dont think "if someone is selling a link then its a right thing in terms of seo". You can include me and my services also in that line even<<

Originally Posted by eLeSlash

Why would you state that incontent article backlinks dont work anymore then? speaking about phpfox - wikis - elgg - drupal - dolphin - oxwall - buddypress
I feel like you deliberately want to make people confuse about seo
What seo strategy did you shared here beside getting thousand of likes for facebook? Is that what is now seo about? Likes on facebook?

I use those links for Web 2.0's only. Again, for long term rankings, you really should avoid these type of links to the money site.

Just my $0.02!

What seo strategy did you shared here beside getting thousand of likes for facebook? Is that what is now seo about? Likes on facebook?

i talked about creating a site that looks best of the best in terms of content and is capable of getting love from social media sites theirselve. I also talked that how can u play lil safer.
If you are not agree with any of the things then move away. Easy?

It all boils down to these few questions...

1) How many times have you done this?

2) How long have you the 6 domains 301 to the main site?

3) Have you had one of the 6 domains penalised and had to remove the 301?

More than 100 times but for 3-4 times only, i did 301 to main site. for oher 96-97 times, i gave a link to main site from pumper site.
Initially (in first 3-4 times) i sold the site before a pumper was penalized.

I will recommend giving your main site a link from pumper site > 301ing pumper to main domain.
Cheers!

Originally Posted by seoguy99

More than 100 times but for 3-4 times only, i did 301 to main site. for oher 96-97 times, i gave a link to main site from pumper site.
Initially (in first 3-4 times) i sold the site before a pumper was penalized.

I will recommend giving your main site a link from pumper site > 301ing pumper to main domain.
Cheers!

Thanks for clarifying, the devil is in the detail.

I think personally from my point of view, there is not enough evidence to suggest that the 301 strategy is effective and safe long term.

I imagine it would provide a boost short term but as to how long or how effective the method is, is sketchy at best.

However creating good pumper sites with a link on will always be great, in fact it is probably the most effective method right now, it just takes a lot of time and effort to setup.

SEOguy99, why don't you try a proper case study of this long term?

Originally Posted by crusher

I use those links for Web 2.0's only. Again, for long term rankings, you really should avoid these type of links to the money site.

Just my $0.02!

I totally agree, but i didnt stated you should use this types of links to your money site(tier1). Thats a really bad move. I post on this platforms to my moneysite only if the root domain is PR >3++.
I would not say that wiki social links etc are bad for you now, i say you can still include them in your seo campains.

Originally Posted by seoguy99

More than 100 times but for 3-4 times only, i did 301 to main site. for oher 96-97 times, i gave a link to main site from pumper site.
Initially (in first 3-4 times) i sold the site before a pumper was penalized.

I will recommend giving your main site a link from pumper site > 301ing pumper to main domain.
Cheers!

Thanks for clarifying, the devil is in the detail.

I think personally from my point of view, there is not enough evidence to suggest that the 301 strategy is effective and safe long term.

I imagine it would provide a boost short term but as to how long or how effective the method is, is sketchy at best.

However creating good pumper sites with a link on will always be great, in fact it is probably the most effective method right now, it just takes a lot of time and effort to setup.

SEOguy99, why don't you try a proper case study of this long term?

Originally Posted by gorang

Thanks for clarifying, the devil is in the detail.

I think personally from my point of view, there is not enough evidence to suggest that the 301 strategy is effective and safe long term.

I imagine it would provide a boost short term but as to how long or how effective the method is, is sketchy at best.

However creating good pumper sites with a link on will always be great, in fact it is probably the most effective method right now, it just takes a lot of time and effort to setup.

SEOguy99, why don't you try a proper case study of this long term?

As i said earlier i process seo of many clients every month and therefore i have seen that how are they ranking and tanking and rising and everything.
You your right.
301 is definetely not a right stuff for long term move and pumper is your best bet for current time ranking (in Australia almost of the sites related to insurance niche that is on top 10, is doing that. AND you can feel that easily urself. (however they are creating better pumper sites).

You are asking for a case study. I am trying to say ^^ there that the thing has been tested by me personally on my personal sites for over 80 times with success. The only thing i will recommend to give link to ur main site from pumper and not 301.

301 should be done if you are in extreme hurry and can not wait to get ranked.

Sorry, i am talking about the 301 which you did 3-4 times i think you said? We need more testing to see how effective it is in my opinion.

If i had the funds available to test i would but i've got debts to pay :/

Originally Posted by eLeSlash

I totally agree, but i didnt stated you should use this types of links to your money site(tier1). Thats a really bad move. I post on this platforms to my moneysite only if the root domain is PR >3++.
I would not say that wiki social links etc are bad for you now, i say you can still include them in your seo campains.

Just send these to the pumper sites and you are all good.

I am using this method on a site of mine, and the results are EXCELLENT! And I am really angry to seoguy99 for revealing this method

I suggest, instead of asking questions, just do it yourself. I found a lot of sites ranking #1 in tough niches doing this. If anyone is interested, pm me and I will send over the sites so that you can verify yourself.

Originally Posted by crusher

Just send these to the pumper sites and you are all good.

I am using this method on a site of mine, and the results are EXCELLENT! And I am really angry to seoguy99 for revealing this method

I suggest, instead of asking questions, just do it yourself. I found a lot of sites ranking #1 in tough niches doing this. If anyone is interested, pm me and I will send over the sites so that you can verify yourself.

You've been 301ing your pumper sites to your money site?

Has this worked out long term?

Cmon man give a little back ^^

It has been around 3 months I am doing this. Redirected 4 so far. And am sitting @ #2 for a term which gets 100000+ exacts per month.

I think most people won't do it because of the cost involved. I spent around $1k so far (Excluding the content of the money site). Though, the cost doesn't matter as I already got back the ROI.

Originally Posted by crusher

It has been around 3 months I am doing this. Redirected 4 so far. And am sitting @ #2 for a term which gets 100000+ exacts per month.

I think most people won't do it because of the cost involved. I spent around $1k so far (Excluding the content of the money site). Though, the cost doesn't matter as I already got back the ROI.

I probably won't do this unless i find a good enough site worth investing this much money in, but it is good to have the knowledge.

I think the 3 months mark is a good point to say "Its working". Did you redirect all 4 sites at once? Or every few weeks add a new one?

One thing i foresee as a problem.... The backlink anchor text profile of the other sites will transfer to the new site(i assume) which could really mess up the LSI/relevancy of your main site(i assume). Did you pick out domains which had similar backlink anchor text to yours?

I also assume the 301 domains had a decent backlink profile?

Lastly were these dropped domains with PR or domains still under auction?

Sorry for the questions but as i said previously, the devil is in the detail.

Originally Posted by gorang

I probably won't do this unless i find a good enough site worth investing this much money in, but it is good to have the knowledge.

I think the 3 months mark is a good point to say "Its working". Did you redirect all 4 sites at once? Or every few weeks add a new one?

One thing i foresee as a problem.... The backlink anchor text profile of the other sites will transfer to the new site(i assume) which could really mess up the LSI/relevancy of your main site(i assume). Did you pick out domains which had similar backlink anchor text to yours?

I also assume the 301 domains had a decent backlink profile?

Lastly were these dropped domains with PR or domains still under auction?

Sorry for the questions but as i said previously, the devil is in the detail.

Let me answer them one by one.........

I think the 3 months mark is a good point to say "Its working". Did you redirect all 4 sites at once? Or every few weeks add a new one?

I 301'd 1 site every 12 days.

One thing i foresee as a problem.... The backlink anchor text profile of the other sites will transfer to the new site(i assume) which could really mess up the LSI/relevancy of your main site(i assume). Did you pick out domains which had similar backlink anchor text to yours?

That's not really a problem as those domains are pretty old and I guess Google didn't count those backlinks. I don't know actually

It's not possible to pick domain in the same niche unless you have $5k to spend (contacting domain owners one by one and offering them to buy and all that). Though, I did find 2-3 domains in the broader niche.

I also assume the 301 domains had a decent backlink profile?

I found domains that didn't actually had good number of backlinks. Though, all the domains have 10-80 links.

It's not actually hard to understand, I used this form -

Money site (70+ articles) < 50 Web 2.0's with 1/2 unique content per property+handmade social bookmarks+exclusive blog network (I recommend jacky8's "The Reformed Network")+High quality Question & Answer links

Pumper Site 1 (5 articles) < Rank Showdown+SAPE

Pumper Site 2 (6 articles) < Sherlock hacks Google+SAPE

Pumper Site 3 (7 articles) < Nothing but NLB+SAPE

Pumper Site 4(8 articles) < Rank Showdown+SAPE

Pumper Site 5 (9 articles) < Sherlock hacks Google+SAPE

Pumper site 6 (10 articles) < Nothing but NLB+SAPE

I am not promoting these services, I am meaning that the backlinks should be done like that. I bought a lot of services from Fiverr as well. Host the pumper sites on different ip's.

Yeah, Many elite members talked about this for many times. Actually Elite members talk about this all the time in some way


- Making buffer domains and then rank it and get the serps ( looks like the best waaaay )
- Either Guest posting to really high ranking site and then blast the hell of you post + Edu and Gov high rank domain linking

One way or another getting natural link ( which is hard to get ) to your site. It's enough to look to the costs to know that it's really working way

Thanks for the method and it's easy to notice while searching for keywords competition that authority sites with very low number of backlinks are in the top. But analyze the backlinks and you will know why they are there.. Really high backlinks

Awesome thread. You said the 301's are not good for long term and that makes sense. Now, if instead, you just link "fucking hard" too from your pumper sites to your money site, would that be better for long term or would it eventually be bad for the money site as well?

I understand though that OP did say he flips the site as soon as it ranks. Just want to know everyone's opinion on this.