There needs to be some sort of viral "Use Bing, not Google" movement. Get people to post catchy images on Facebook about it. Everyone loves that. Then they will start using Bing because people told them to.
I'm completely done with google long live BING!
If you'd pay me a few hundred thousand, i could certainly cause some serious damage to google via clickbombing, or at least damage to their adwords users. $5000 isn't even worth the attempt
At any rate, a campaign isn't the point, but sustained increases in search wide click fraud will result in exodus and potential lawsuits.
Still I've made it quite clear that I'm still ranked well in Google across a lot of sites and making lots of money from it... so.
Last edited by Expertpeon; 10-02-2012 at 04:50 PM.
My local marketing company did a research project about 3 years ago and discovered that 18% of clicks were fraudulent. I am sure it has increased.
What we have to do is get the fraud up over 50%, more if possible. If advertisers are not getting a return they will not spend the money. I would assume it would be easy to create a bot that would target only Google, this way, those that rely on PPC ads for a living would still survive using bing/yahoo.
I'd give my left tit if I knew who was behind the godday attack and they would be willing to deploy a botnet specifically to click google ads!
If any of you know how to do this, you don't need to brag about it in the forum. Just get busy and get the bots going. If you have lost rank and income because of Google you have every reason to strike back. Pick a niche from the list above and have at it.
If you have a friend that you can trust then get him involved. Get him set up to deploy a few bots.
And for Gods sake, if any of you know any of the big players in the hack circles, plead with them to get their efforts involved.
I'd love to see this become the next big news story. We need something to celebrate for a change.
I usually used Google for work related searches while on the job. Google has screwed up their searches so bad that Bing is actually better when I search.
You can still greatly reduce confidence in Google's paid advertising platform(s) without resorting to click bombing.
Has anyones sites dropped in the past 2 days after thinking they survived? Because mine is still ranking first.
post. Another claimed a recovery earlier in this thread too. I see no changes from my side to indicate any movement is still occurring.
no changes at all for me
Google has become a household name for search. People Google things without thinking. It's a habit that will be next to impossible for the average user to break. Yes, us SEO and IM can make the switch, but the average user, our visitors, won't. Webmasters aren't the ones that need convincing, it's everyone else.
I personally think one of things that is holding Bing back besides what I said, they need to release publicly ADcenter for publishers, like Adsense. If Bing got off their ass and released it publicly, it could be a game changer for them.
On some TV shows they say they are going to "Bing" things and it sounds funny. Ridiculousness with Rob Dyrdek did that at the end of every episode of it's first season. Some other show on prime time would occasionally say they were going to "bing" things and it always stood out. Like what? lol. Bing must've paid them to say that.
Google has become like Kleenex. Kleenex is a brand, not a product. But everyone calls tissue paper "Kleenex." Same thing with Xerox. "Hey, can you Xerox this for me?" Xerox is a brand. The verb is photo copy.
You blow your nose in tissue, not Kleenex.
You photocopy stuff, you don't Xerox it.
You search for stuff, you don't Google it.
But since Google has attained this widespread use of its name, people will go to Google just so they can "Google" something.
Hey isn't Apple supposed to be coming out with a search engine? You know all the hipsters would use it right away.
Sorry AssPhuck.. If you make a living off adwords then increase your budget on Bing. You will be fine.
People don't care about words in an email.. Start taking money from their wallet and they will do something. If they are paying $1000 a month and are not getting squat.. You bet they will stop spending the money.
An automated bot that does nothing but increase click fraud is the easiest and cheapest way to disrupt Google. If you get enough of them pounding away the advertisers are going to get pissed and direct their frustration at Google. If the media is reporting why these bots are being used the situation becomes a viral one and Google will have no choice but concede and stop this BS.
Didnt David use a sling shot and a stone to kill Goliath? Maybe asking all Goliath's friends not to play with him would have worked better? HA HA doubt it.
One programmer with his act together can write a bot script that can replicate itself and go viral and do nothing but click ads. There are plenty of proxies out there and I am sure a few people outside the US would host a script or two for random clicks...
How much would it cost Google if they had to credit their advertisers one month of the revenue from ads?
And that would have to hurt....
I lost one exact match domian, BUT i just started backlinking to it and I think it went into a dance before the update.....I hope it comes back
I think one of my tech blog (non emd) got hit with this update. Seeing no traffic at all since last 3 days.
Let Me Have Cake When Bread Is Not Available...
That's hard to do - I used to have a business manager to pitch the sites to potential clients - and after a year he still didn't really know much
LSI is related search phrases - good example is the google search drop down auto-suggest feature
Silo site construction is site design without theme bleed across topics - e.g. a pet site - you are looking at birds articles, but cannot see anything about dogs in site navigation - but somebody reading dogs articles can see lots of dogs articles links, but no birds article navigation links
Silo sites need typically 90% less backlinks than normal sites, due to the unique site construction
The problem with bing is in d f**kin name.. oh let me just "bing" that, it sounds like some corporate douche came up with it
Apparently, they said that ~30% of clicks were "suspect" (which included fraudulent behavior) and 24% were "fraudulent" using Adwords. At least this is what I remember about the article.
simply not count questionable clicks that lack an originating referring URL/logical and valid keyword query
See that's the beauty of it... this is incredibly easy to emulate. The tool I built goes to google.com, types in a phrase, and clicks on the advertiser that's running a campaign.
Google is going to have to error on the side of "safety" with ANY suspect clicks once advertisers start demanding that. Hilariously, I added a part that actually clicks on various pages of the site it lands on too... it'd be terribly hard to find this out (especially with browsers that don't accept 3rd party cookies)...
Damaging the revenue of smart SEOers is just a bad idea in general for google's long term interests. If they cannot make money, they will do something else to cost people money.
Seems like basically the fastest way to remove a third of google's revenue.
Last edited by Expertpeon; 10-02-2012 at 06:32 PM.
What is a "silo site"?
Last edited by mikie46; 10-02-2012 at 07:17 PM.
In fact, the damage will be done before Google even thinks to do anything like reverse payments to people... Google is a stubborn monolithic organization with zero customer service and a staunch unwillingness to correct errors on their part
Has a home page
Home page links to theme header pages (primary pages)
Article pages are placed below appropriate header pages e.g. dog articles under dogs header page, cats articles under cat header page, etc.
All dog article pages usually link to each other, all cat article pages usually link to each other - but you can also have a linear/daisy chain format instead with a next article, previous article structure (better for SERPs but not user friendly). If you do a google search for silo site images you'll probably find both types
Whole point of silo sites is to re-enforce theme of silo contents by preventing theme bleed through site navigation links - exact opposite of normal site navigation where search spider zig-zags all over the place following navigation links
Found some images:
daisy chain: thesearchenginepros.com/building-a-web-site-around-keyword-themes.html
user friendly: warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/492756-silo-arcitecture-linking-question.html
Last edited by WebDev; 10-02-2012 at 07:55 PM. Reason: more info
educate the masses and drag them away from google! It's for their own good after all..
As I said in the other thread related to this, the EMD penalty that went through only seems to have boosted my sites (by a ton, too) but I really have no idea why. Some had little to no content, some with tons of content but only over a month period etc. No rhyme or reason it seems...
i really like click bomb idea, hit them to their engine!
however, only changing IP will not work
google tracks down computers as well (cookies, cashe, flash version, os version, resolution, browser version etc)
this is same as creating new adsese account on same PC : getting new ip is not enough, you MUST change your computer parameters and only then google recognizes you as unique new user (they will count your click on ads, obviously)
Just because google is more stringent allowing adwords accounts to be opened, doesn't mean they're that stringent allowing clicks. In fact, I guarantee they aren't...
My guess is, baring express, clear and evident fraud they will refuse to refund any money at all. If even so much as the IP is different I'm betting they count it... many people have reported clear cases of fraud to google only to have it overturned and their money taken anyway.
Hell, just thinking about it from your own selfish perspective, a click bot is a great idea (even if you never do any long term damage to Google, you definitely win out in your niche!)
Last edited by Expertpeon; 10-02-2012 at 08:06 PM.
Click fraud isn't effective.
Forget the moral issues of click fraud, Google has been able to determine fraudulent clicks for years. They can detect whether or not you're accessing Google using a proxy and easily discount those clicks. Can the discussion move past that idea now?
That is exactly right and why a clickbombing effort would be so effective. You piss off the people spending money with you and drive them to Bing, it will take a lot of effort to get them back if they become happy with the ROI they get from Bing.Google is a stubborn monolithic organization with zero customer service and a staunch unwillingness to correct errors on their part
Who said they needed to stop? They could keep going until Google changed it's tune or business model.If Google lost a billion dollars in the short term to click bombing, their long term strategy still promises to make them much, much more when the click bombs stop.
A significant effort would have to be employed by Google to counter the clickbomb attack. What is key is getting the attention of the media. That will put fear in the hearts of the advertisers. Don't spend money on adwords because most of it will be vaporized by a bot.... Stock price plummets from lost revenues... Microsoft reports profit with Bing... FTC files antitrust suit against Google....
If only the top 25 searches were hit hard and those advertisers pulled out, that would be enough to get their attention and start a chain reaction. Hell we could even target the top retailers who spend big with Google... Seek out and click their URL's. Burn up their ad budget with zero ROI....
No matter how you look at it, a good bot would be a very effective way of making a statement.
my gutts tell me that even 100 angry dedicated webmasters could do significant damage to adwords in no time
just imagine what 100x100 angry google victims would do
now,some native english speaker should write an article how g is fucking with the small guys to please investors and the 1% and we can start spamming 4 chan and reddit,also make some memes,that will end up on other sites and facebook in a week
btw im uneffected now but lets fucking do something