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    Iíve been doing SEO for a long time and there are 2 words that have never went together well, SEO and Blasts, the 2 just donít sit well if the point of SEO is the game a search engine by appearing to be naturally increasing your sites positions.

    There have been lots of posts recently about people saying that the recent Panda update is now targeting private blog networks and my theory is that this isnít the case.

    The culprit is Scrapebox and Xrumer.

    Think about it, you donít blast your money site with these tools, why? Because the link quality is poor, it doesnít seem natural and you donít want to incur a penalty.

    So why do you think itís then ok the Blast your pages that are on other sites? They will get the same penalties.

    And if blog network user 1 blasts his pages and then blog network owner 2 does the same thing then this is a red flag to the Google spam guys and very easy to spot.

    It doesnít matter that the link is part of a pyramid or a network Scrapebox blasts will have the same effect anywhere you use it.

    So although Google might be on the lookout for content patterns from one spun article being posted on 400 blogs, blasting those 400 pages over a short period of time from wordpress comments is of course going to flag an issue.

    SEO in 1998 was about appearing to naturally improve a website, itís the same now, natural grow the is the only thing that Google canít determine as it should have no common path.

    So to round up, if you are spending decent sums of money on services like my Supernova or any of the others itís probably best to check with the service/network that they want you blasting there blogs.

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    big g needs quite a while to crawal links from such blast. it won't crawl 5000 thousand of typical links at the same time which makes you look very suspicious to its eyes. so I think it's pretty safe to use tools blaster like xRumer. moreover, there are services like linkslicious and lindexd that can help you decide how many links from such blast that you want googel to notice. it's no big d

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    I think using tools like linklicious are the worst thing you can do. Totally, unnatural.

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    I think it may be a mix of all things. But you are very right that these networks will have been hammed by shitty links. Stuff most people are scared to point direct at their own site. Add to this any spun content, or even shitty OK written content, poorly, quickly put together blogs whose posts have very little if anything to do with eachother. Already they are in danger.

    Add to that the simple fact that G KNOWS about these blog networks as the "in" thing to rank sites, just as wordpress spamming used to be great before nofollow came along. They would look to dedicate a fair amount of resources to finding out each and every site on the network and deindex them with no mercy.

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    We actually had a customer hound us for a report, which it's strange but it was 12 hours after orders, and we thought "what's his point?" why buy our service that works and then demand it's all done in 12 hours.

    So he got his after 5 days like most other and then a week later got a pm saying that his site had decreased and not increased and it was our fault. We don't get many complaints so we looked into his order in particular and he had smashed the life out of it. Which for a few days started to effect other older orders which had stable rankings for months, so we refunded the dude and 301's his post urls to some duff site we have on a separate ip and low and behold the rankings all increased back to their normal positions, our first thought was that we had been rumbled but Google aren't paying engineering to snoop around forums and buy blog networks to get the site ursl and then banning, they just work out how to identify them via spikes and the penalty system takes care of them.

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    I think it may be a mix of all things. But you are very right that these networks will have been hammed by shitty links. Stuff most people are scared to point direct at their own site. Add to this any spun content, or even shitty OK written content, poorly, quickly put together blogs whose posts have very little if anything to do with eachother. Already they are in danger.

    Add to that the simple fact that G KNOWS about these blog networks as the "in" thing to rank sites, just as wordpress spamming used to be great before nofollow came along. They would look to dedicate a fair amount of resources to finding out each and every site on the network and deindex them with no mercy.

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    Default Re: Panda isn't killing Blog Networks, Scrapebox is

    blog networks dont kill your site.

    *public* *crap* blog networks yeah...

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    i agree with you 110 percent, i have done all my links naturally, and all my sites are in top 10, i have one site i used the tools on and its no where to be found

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    I agree. But i still find blog comments to be effective both pointing to my money sites and to my first tier of backlinks. What you don't want to do is blast the crap out of them, but regularly make a small number of backlinks on high page rank pages with low outbound links - simple stuff.

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    but private blog networks dont allow spam from scrapebox and xrumer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kideze View Post
    but private blog networks dont allow spam from scrapebox and xrumer...
    And how will they know about that? I can blast whoever i want

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    Quote Originally Posted by BombaRuLz View Post
    And how will they know about that? I can blast whoever i want
    We now monitor pingbacks after we send reports, so it's actually easy to spot

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    The keyword here is blast... Try to make them look natural as possible. You are right the more you BLAST the more you will get the red flag..

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    I'm guessing the key here is that the users themselves are leaving too many footprints. Google sees the trend in the backlinks and the similarity of the sites being used and that is how they caught on. But what OP has said does shed new light on this matter and I don't think Google is that ignorant they don't know what we are doing either.

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    Default Re: Panda isn't killing Blog Networks, Scrapebox is

    so is your suggestion that:

    a) backlinks are devalued because scrapebox and xrumer are used on backlinks any time after they are placed

    or that

    b) backlinks are devalued because scrapebox and xrumer are quickly used on backlinks before even the competition could find them or anyone other than the site owner / backlink placer is aware

    or

    c) something else I'm not properly getting

    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boydie View Post
    Iíve been doing SEO for a long time and there are 2 words that have never went together well, SEO and Blasts, the 2 just donít sit well if the point of SEO is the game a search engine by appearing to be naturally increasing your sites positions.

    There have been lots of posts recently about people saying that the recent Panda update is now targeting private blog networks and my theory is that this isnít the case.

    The culprit is Scrapebox and Xrumer.

    Think about it, you donít blast your money site with these tools, why? Because the link quality is poor, it doesnít seem natural and you donít want to incur a penalty.

    So why do you think itís then ok the Blast your pages that are on other sites? They will get the same penalties.

    And if blog network user 1 blasts his pages and then blog network owner 2 does the same thing then this is a red flag to the Google spam guys and very easy to spot.

    It doesnít matter that the link is part of a pyramid or a network Scrapebox blasts will have the same effect anywhere you use it.

    So although Google might be on the lookout for content patterns from one spun article being posted on 400 blogs, blasting those 400 pages over a short period of time from wordpress comments is of course going to flag an issue.

    SEO in 1998 was about appearing to naturally improve a website, itís the same now, natural grow the is the only thing that Google canít determine as it should have no common path.

    So to round up, if you are spending decent sums of money on services like my Supernova or any of the others itís probably best to check with the service/network that they want you blasting there blogs.
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    I think it's a mix of both. You need to create natural links mixed with SB, xrummer blasts. Always worked for me. Just don't blast thousands AA at once

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    Quote Originally Posted by boydie View Post
    I’ve been doing SEO for a long time and there are 2 words that have never went together well, SEO and Blasts, the 2 just don’t sit well if the point of SEO is the game a search engine by appearing to be naturally increasing your sites positions.

    There have been lots of posts recently about people saying that the recent Panda update is now targeting private blog networks and my theory is that this isn’t the case.

    The culprit is Scrapebox and Xrumer.

    Think about it, you don’t blast your money site with these tools, why? Because the link quality is poor, it doesn’t seem natural and you don’t want to incur a penalty.

    So why do you think it’s then ok the Blast your pages that are on other sites? They will get the same penalties.

    And if blog network user 1 blasts his pages and then blog network owner 2 does the same thing then this is a red flag to the Google spam guys and very easy to spot.

    It doesn’t matter that the link is part of a pyramid or a network Scrapebox blasts will have the same effect anywhere you use it.

    So although Google might be on the lookout for content patterns from one spun article being posted on 400 blogs, blasting those 400 pages over a short period of time from wordpress comments is of course going to flag an issue.

    SEO in 1998 was about appearing to naturally improve a website, it’s the same now, natural grow the is the only thing that Google can’t determine as it should have no common path.

    So to round up, if you are spending decent sums of money on services like my Supernova or any of the others it’s probably best to check with the service/network that they want you blasting there blogs.

    You sir are misinformed. Google targets Blog Networks by the recent Panda 3.3 Update. Links from xrumer and scrapebox blasts have long been devalued by google ever since 2009 - 2010. Let me just quote the email coming from the founder of ALN. This was emailed just a couple of hours ago to all ALN Subscribers.


    Hi,

    In the last few days blog network has been hit hard
    by google, so does ALN, we have 22% de-index rate this
    month which is quite high, normally sites in ALN
    only got 5-10% de-index rate every month.

    To prevent further de-indexation and to keep ALN
    network strong, we have decided to:

    - change the number of distribution per article to 10
    (possibly even lower it to just 5), this will help to
    lower the number of post per day in your ALN blogs,
    making it less likely to be de-indexed

    - you can only submit the same article maximum 5 times
    now, in ALN 2.0 we will be adding some duplicate content
    checker feature which will address this issue

    - possible addition of grammar and spelling checker
    in ALN 2.0, so no more garbage spun content will get posted

    - better articles moderation in ALN 2.0

    With these changes applied, we are pretty sure that ALN can
    get back stronger, our job is to make this network stay strong
    as long as possible so you can gain maximum results by
    using it.

    Best Regards,
    Maulana T

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    Today I found one of my blog has been deindex, what have since done so far is change my post per page to 5, and then use noindex of tag and achives.

    I think all blog network should remove the ability for users to put tag on article, cos this in effect causes duplicate content, and what happened when you have duplicated content possible deindex.

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    I was actually doing this months ago, until I found out it actually harms the network. Lesson learned.

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    the worst thing about SEO is that no one really knows 100% what he is talking about. and with so many guys playing the guru shit here and there and promising top ranks with ...a scrapebox blast...

    the thing is. you can't blame absolutely NO ONE for trying to sell their services. YOU have to be responsible and research where you spend your money on. I tried many times going the "wrong way" regarding the seo trends and i found success.

    trust no one. trust only your logic (well... if you have some anyway)...

    /of course this is not written to attack anyone here... just my opinion and my frustration!

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    OP, you should read this b4 talking BS.
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    The worst thing is buying services. Because the service providers are using same thing for all clients. Never buy any service. Buy tools and do yourself.

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    Agreed, treat every page that links to your MNS as your baby and you will be fine.

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    the truth is we dont really know what google wants..... as to blasting other people sites it sucks but its part of the game... It makes me wonder how many wordpress blogs are legit and not buffer pages? 40%?

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    All the xrumer, scrapebox, etc... customers are getting all the exact same links. The whole notion that person A's 10,000 spam links look different than person B's 10,000 spam links, and those are different than person C's 10,000 spam links, ... are different than person Z(1000)'s 10,000 spam links, all of these somehow appear different to Google because they were posted at different times, dates & rates always seemed a bit retarded to me. 10,000 people all share the exact same 10,000 spam backlinks, and somehow Google can't see this? It's wishful thinking and denial that allows this dumbness.

    I think people dramatically underestimate G's computing power. People say dumb things like "The internet is too big" and "You are underestimating the size of the internet.", which is truly dumb because not only does Google have the ability to track every single site that's indexed, it also has the ability to rank them against each other based on every single keyword that could possibly be referenced to each site.

    Premise:
    Given that all the indexed sites = X and,
    every kw that could be referenced to those sites = Y and,
    Google's computing power = Z then;

    Z = X to the Y power.

    Google has high-level staff meetings on how to handle kw searches of 10 or more words, so I don't think that comparing a few hundred sites that focus on the kw "long lasting erections" is going to give them any trouble. They'll see the exact same 10,000 spam links over on sites #582, #693 and #966 and two days later 3 site owners are on BHW complaining about Google, and wondering how they got busted. People completely accept the idea that Google can find two duplicate paragraphs of the same article on two completely different sites, but somehow choke on the notion that handling 10 times that text volume in URL spam backlinks is no different, only larger.

    Think about this: Matt Cutts and the whole crew are gathered live around the round table to discuss keyword searches of 10 words or more, and how they should be handled. If that's what takes up their high-level staff time, then they must have everything else taken care of as far as methodology and computing power is concerned. They aren't grieving and wailing and wringing their hands about how to find all the sites that share the same 10,000 xrumer spam backlinks. They delegate THAT job off to some marginally retarded microworker in Indonesia, who figures that one out while eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and watching YouTube videos of high-speed police chases. The people that have the most difficulty understanding this are the supposed blackhat experts that can't figure out how & why their sites got deindexed. I think the reason why they can't figure it out is because they don't want to. Maybe they only knew one way to game the system, and when it worked they got complacent and stopped learning. And now, if that way doesn't work anymore, it means they are no more expert in SEO than someone that has never done it at all.

    So, to a certain extent, we are seeing the pain of that realization. And I think it might be a good idea to keep that possibility open when looking at their data/feedback and opinions on how they got slammed. Some people DIDN'T get slammed, and I think most of the watchful attentiveness should be aimed in their direction.
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    if google devalue backlinks from sb and xrumer then it opens a world where IMers can target their competition and blast sb and xrumer to take down their competition.

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    First of all, that post is a year old... secondly, the op is selling SB lists.... Take your own advise.

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    First of all, that post is a year old... secondly, the op is selling SB lists.... Take your own advise.
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    There were lots of threads awhile back condemning these idiotic blasts and warning people that they were destroying the efficacy of SB and Xrumer.

    Obviously the warnings fell on deaf ears and hard heads and now this is the result. Google has effectively put these tools out of action regarding massive link-building. If the tools didn't have other great uses they would be virtually worthless now.


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