I'm not sure how they detected my network and why they only banned 60 site. I'm getting fucked to much lately, first from google then from flippa and hostgator.

The sites have private whois
Private name servers
Not connected to analytics or webmaster tools.
Unique c-class ip's

It really hurt me because the majority of them were pr4's with some pr3's and pr5's.

The strange thing is I wiped one of the sites clean, installed a fresh Wordpress blog and they still rejected a reconsideration request from me.

I wish people would just leave me alone to make some money.

Sorry to hear that. Why do you think they did that? I just launched my first 8 MNS but I keep seeing stories like yours that scare me. What do you recommend for people like me?

Sorry to hear about that

no such thing as private name servers...
ns1.yourdomain.com still has an ip and that ip can be easily whoised and tracked back to your provider

Originally Posted by ext3cy

Sorry to hear that. Why do you think they did that? I just launched my first 8 MNS but I keep seeing stories like yours that scare me. What do you recommend for people like me?

Spread your sites out over several Adsense accounts, use friends/family to set them up. And don't just go for pure Adsense income, there are many uses for MNS like Clickbank, CPA/Content locking. Theres not much difference between making 5$ a day from adsense or making 5-10 Clickbank sales in a month.

What about the content. Is it unique or spun.
Also Did you put adsense on all of them or any other advertisers code on all these 60 sites.
Any backlinking history. Were they interlinked between each other.
Domain age etc.
Please mention more.

Originally Posted by ext3cy

Sorry to hear that. Why do you think they did that? I just launched my first 8 MNS but I keep seeing stories like yours that scare me. What do you recommend for people like me?

They did it because I was selling anchor text links. The risk was always there.

how much you asked for anchor text links?

yeah they bent me over last week & wiped me out
I lost thousands - going to apply for food stamps til I can rebuild

That sucks. I'm sorry to hear of that. You say 60 got hit, out of how many? Did you interlink them? What type of links were you putting up?

Thats shitty news man. I'm sorry to hear it. If I were you I'd start digging hard to find out what footprint lead them to finding all those sites though. There's got to be something holding them together if they all got hit at once.

I'm sorry to hear that buddy. I guess it happens to the best of us. Now get back up there and go make some money back!

They were link directories that were mainly created for an seo company.

I was interlinking 10 directories together thinking if 1 gets banned then the others will be ok. I still have 60 more sites but out of those 12 networks they banned site from each of them.

The directories were all paid links which did not except spam.

They know about my other 60 directories and I wouldn't be surprised if they ban them as well, I have stopped interlinking them now and shockingly my client still wants to work with me.

I know the pain of having to start over and take a big hit in the money department. The risk is always there though.

Look up my JR. VIP Thread. There are the most important footprints to track your network of sites.

Where are your domains registered? GoDaddy? Private WHOIS since when?

Do you have adsense?

How are your sites interlinked, couldn't understand it...

Why do they know that u sold links?

So you were selling high PR homepage links likely to a single set of sites...
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be out there tracking your who is info, nor would they need to.
All they need is to see 120 poorly put together homepage links going to the same sites

Damn man sorry. I have 10 MNS that all have content I wrote, and only like 2 are BH backlinked. Adsense makes me about 3-4 bucks a day(from all of them), I want to keep going with new ideas, but stories like these scare me. Im to much of a noob. At what level does big G come in and fuck with everyone?
Should I be worried?

Man that sucks dude... Smoke a bowl, relax a bit then get back to work

NEVER GIVE UP... NEVER SURRENDER... NEVER DATE A FAT CHICK!!!

Cheers Mate!

That sucks, sorry to hear that. Lot of that going around lately.

Well, this is indeed a huge blow.

You really should not have inter connected them.

Originally Posted by prats2992

Well, this is indeed a huge blow.

You really should not have inter connected them.

everyone loves the hindsight guy.

Anyway, sucks OP. Hope you make it out. Look at it as an opportunity. You got a clean slate now. Build that baby you've been thinking about for a while and make it work.

Not directed at you OP, but why on earth would you make 8 MNS to make 3-4 bucks on adsense. Seriously, large sites are not that bad guys ha.

I know it sucks big time but you didn't play Google's game according to the Book of Hoyle. I think they had a problem with you OBL's.

Too many of those on a site will send up a red flag. Think along the same lines as content farms. Google wants things EXACTLY the way they want it unfortunately.

With Google less is more so keep that in mind when you rebuild.

Originally Posted by Fathom

I'm not sure how they detected my network and why they only banned 60 site. I'm getting fucked to much lately, first from google then from flippa and hostgator.

The sites have private whois
Private name servers
Not connected to analytics or webmaster tools.
Unique c-class ip's

It really hurt me because the majority of them were pr4's with some pr3's and pr5's.

The strange thing is I wiped one of the sites clean, installed a fresh Wordpress blog and they still rejected a reconsideration request from me.

I wish people would just leave me alone to make some money.

everyone asking why OP made 60 (or more) MNS sites but OP doesnt mention they were MNS sites.

We do no tknow what kind of quality these sites were. They were obviously crap. Where was the content from, did OP create,scrape itetc? what was the content? was it post panda freindly? video?images? (where they unique/original, over 700 word posts? proper bold italics H1/H2 blah blah blah.... or were they 60 sites of hashed up nonsense. Listen noobs out there Give Google what it wants Fresh unique content and you'll be cool so stop fretting.

Peace

Originally Posted by AGman

Damn man sorry. I have 10 MNS that all have content I wrote, and only like 2 are BH backlinked. Adsense makes me about 3-4 bucks a day(from all of them), I want to keep going with new ideas, but stories like these scare me. Im to much of a noob. At what level does big G come in and fuck with everyone?
Should I be worried?

Did you read the whole thread? The OP did not mention that his site are MNS.. The OP site are directory links and he sells link.. That is againts the google webmaster guidelines.

Originally Posted by dufc1983

everyone asking why OP made 60 (or more) MNS sites but OP doesnt mention they were MNS sites.

We do no tknow what kind of quality these sites were. They were obviously crap. Where was the content from, did OP create,scrape itetc? what was the content? was it post panda freindly? video?images? (where they unique/original, over 700 word posts? proper bold italics H1/H2 blah blah blah.... or were they 60 sites of hashed up nonsense. Listen noobs out there Give Google what it wants Fresh unique content and you'll be cool so stop fretting.

Peace

I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.

The 60 sites were phpld link directories between pr3 - pr5, the directories were well maintained, paid only and had unique descriptions.

I connected the directories together in groups of 10 which passed more value together, they detected all 12 of my groups and banned sites from each of them. The sites were manually banned by google, this has nothing to do with italic bold fresh or panda.

I will learn from this and even though I want the benefit of interlinking, I will just have to keep them separate in future.

I think some fucker reported 60 of my sites. I have already made big changes and will hit back at google 10 times harder.

Originally Posted by saber210

Did you read the whole thread? The OP did not mention that his site are MNS.. The OP site are directory links and he sells link.. That is againts the google webmaster guidelines.

You are right and I have also changed my submission guidelines to submit your site for inclusion. Essentially people are paying for someone to editorially review the site which I now make clear on my submit page.

Google's terms also mention something about not have keyword anchors, but that has to be a requirement.

Originally Posted by Fathom

I think some fucker reported 60 of my sites. I have already made big changes and will hit back at google 10 times harder.

I'm definitely thinking this as well. Must be someone who knows of your network - Google IMO wouldn't have that much manpower to go around trying to find networks like this, but then again they might have an algorithm to automatically find suspicious interlinking like this.

Sorry to hear that. Don't lose hope about on what happened. You can always make another set of sites though and improve your skills more. You can take some research on how to avoid that shitty thing again and make the money.

Originally Posted by download

I'm definitely thinking this as well. Must be someone who knows of your network - Google IMO wouldn't have that much manpower to go around trying to find networks like this, but then again they might have an algorithm to automatically find suspicious interlinking like this.

Every time someone submitted a link an automated email was sent to them saying "thank you for your submission, fell free to submit to our other directories that are on unique c-class ip's" then I would list all of my sites.

Thinking about it I did make to many mistakes and became to relaxed doing it.

I'm always surprised when I see link directory sites in the serps. It seems like such an easy footprint for them to detect and devalue.

Good luck getting back to where you were.

This situation sucks and I'm sorry to hear you lost your sites. However, you should learn what you can from it and move on.

Everyone here should know that selling links is a risky business, no matter how its justified by saying pages are actually reviewed. Google says do not create websites that are essentially the same site ... a network of dozens of php link directories are obviously a link farm effort.

In the future I hope you find something more stable and succeed.

The big question is, how did they track you?

- similar themes
- intext footprints like your name, address etc on all sites
- similar ip's, even if they are class-c ip's they can look up your neighbourhood
( http://www.majesticseo.com/reports/n...urhood-checker ) and find similar sites
- private whois not directly after domain registration (google is a registrar and they track whois information, if you have to enable private whois after registration manually, your name could be leaked to google in that time frame)
- how many phpld sites are out there? of course it's easier to review all phpld sites then all sites that are based on wordpress and if they look to similar they can find a lot of them

Originally Posted by phpbuilt

This situation sucks and I'm sorry to hear you lost your sites. However, you should learn what you can from it and move on.

Everyone here should know that selling links is a risky business, no matter how its justified by saying pages are actually reviewed. Google says do not create websites that are essentially the same site ... a network of dozens of php link directories are obviously a link farm effort.

In the future I hope you find something more stable and succeed.

When I first started doing this I was supposed to sell a few links and flip the sites.

Even though I could have sold each one of those directories at $500 each I'm still in profit and that's all that matters. Until I start losing money I'm going to keep going, just have to be a bit smarter.

Phpld has a similar footprint than Wordpress.

Originally Posted by spoon22

The big question is, how did they track you?

- similar themes
- intext footprints like your name, address etc on all sites
- similar ip's, even if they are class-c ip's they can look up your neighbourhood
( http://www.majesticseo.com/reports/n...urhood-checker ) and find similar sites
- private whois not directly after domain registration (google is a registrar and they track whois information, if you have to enable private whois after registration manually, your name could be leaked to google in that time frame)
- how many phpld sites are out there? of course it's easier to review all phpld sites then all sites that are based on wordpress and if they look to similar they can find a lot of them

I can only do my best right, maybe I'll come up with something in the future where I can work with other directory owners.

Originally Posted by Fathom

Every time someone submitted a link an automated email was sent to them saying "thank you for your submission, fell free to submit to our other directories that are on unique c-class ip's" then I would list all of my sites.

this,
I hope you get better next time.
But if you dont do as you did, you can not promote more sites. If you do (giving customers you list), there's chance this would happen again.
I know you lost quite a lot $ due to this accident. Be more careful.

Originally Posted by assassinmarketing

yeah they bent me over last week & wiped me out
I lost thousands - going to apply for food stamps til I can rebuild

I don't think you'll qualify for food stamps. I didn't lost thousands but I didn't make thousands either and I didn't qualify for food stamps lol.

I wonder if did a joint venture if people would step forward with pr4+ domains, I think that would eliminate a lot of footprints and save me a huge expense. I could guarantee at least $250 at a minimum.

sorry to hear that. but i think it a part of online working that you may ditch hundred of time.

Originally Posted by Fathom

I wonder if did a joint venture if people would step forward with pr4+ domains, I think that would eliminate a lot of footprints and save me a huge expense. I could guarantee at least $250 at a minimum.

I would not mind joining that sort of a private network

Originally Posted by Fathom

Every time someone submitted a link an automated email was sent to them saying "thank you for your submission, fell free to submit to our other directories that are on unique c-class ip's" then I would list all of my sites.

Thinking about it I did make to many mistakes and became to relaxed doing it.

It's a paid link dir, I mean wtf did you think would happen.
Not trying to be offensive, but have you ever farmed out all the link dirs on the internet and checked them for deindex rates?
I scraped huge lists off directory sites that list all online link directories paid and not paid and I would say 60-70% were deindexed.

I think you hit the nail on the head here: "I think some fucker reported 60 of my sites. I have already made big changes and will hit back at google 10 times harder."

I think it could have been a competitor, not of yours, but of one of your clients. What easier way is there to catch up to competition than remove their backlinks?

Sorry to hear that OP. I guess maybe jealous kid reported it to google.

You've raised a very valid query, and it is a problem being faced by thousands of websites. Google knows that Class C IPs are probably owned by the same person, and hence discounts the whole network - especially if there's spun or copied content on it. That was the reason we changed over to completely different A class IPs for our Blog SEO packages (www.linkwheel.net/blog-seo)
I do hope your network gets back on steam fast

I think you have find a reliable hoster's . sorry to hear that 60 sites got blacklisted by google. i hope some will give good idea here.

OP, I think you crossed 1 of the most major rules in business.
A. Never have only 1 customer - lose the customer and you are out of business.
B. Never have only 1 supplier - lose the supplier and you are out of business.
In your case sound to me you crossed "B" you have only 1 supplier (Google) who screwed you.

Dont let break your spirit.
"what doesn't kill you make you stronger" in life.
With the above being said you will come out of this with better sites, hopefully more diversified (you will have broader customer base), and hopefully with more then 1 suppliers (while G is a lot, it is not everything in IM)
I wish you a great journey for a better and more profitable business.
Good luck