I guess that the final price would be much higher; and people, including me, are on a tight budget...

EDIT: Oh God! I am so tired of that bug...

On almost all BST's that offer private blog networks, they always spin one or two articles and send them out to all their blog's. Why doesn't anyone offer unique content for each post? It gets better results and your network will last longer. I mean, I even see people turning their customers down on them supplying the unique content! WHY? You charge $100 for the submissions...you can't buy unique content and charge $147?

Anyone else see this as an issue? Sure spun content is great, but the way it's spun for these networks is absolute shit...and it's only ruining your network and leaving a huge footprint for everyone you offer these services for. If you own a blog network, why don't you use uniquely written content for each submission? Cheap? Lazyness? Scammer?

I'm sure if you wanted to use your own content they would let you.

If you ordered 100 submission for $100 spun content. Unique content not spun it would be $600 at $5 a 500 word article.

Anyway in Googles eyes as long as it's "unique" in the way it is no where else on the web it is good.

Haha, yes that bug is annoying...

Anyways, your paying for something that won't last. It gets sniffed out so easy by G. I mean, these articles are spun to shit, they don't read well, the whole network is one huge footprint because of it. Your links will be de-valued in a few weeks if not instantly. I would rather pay a little more for the better quality then get shit and have it be worthless when big G figures out the network and devalues all the links.

You pay $97 for what, 50 submissions? Okay, so you take 5 articles at $5 per and you can spin them together to have an awesomely unique spin, but I don't see anyone even doing that. I see one article that's just spun to unreadable crap at 30% unique...it's embarrassing to be honest. Lazyness...

Originally Posted by pokerjk

I'm sure if you wanted to use your own content they would let you.

If you ordered 100 submission for $100 spun content. Unique content not spun it would be $600 at $5 a 500 word article.

Anyway in Googles eyes as long as it's "unique" in the way it is no where else on the web it is good.

I think you're underestimating Google. They can see these article networks from a mile away. They don't last for shit...all they see is spun garbage with out-going links to many different sites and it's an instant red-flag. G knows..the links are poop!

You don't have to do $600...you can do 50 submissions with a 5 article re-write spin that will actually have good uniqueness. But I guess you're right, too much work for some people. I just don't get why people buy these BST's. They don't/won't last

As for now, the only guy I found that does good-quality spins is anuj291; however, the articles are published on semi-private networks like BMR or Linkvana. If he launches one day a private network, I will be a customer of his.

spun content because its cheap and if done correctly its quite readable!

Originally Posted by VanillaH

As for now, the only guy I found that does good-quality spins is anuj291; however, the articles are published on semi-private networks like BMR or Linkvana. If he launches one day a private network, I will be a customer of his.

See, that's what I'm talking about. For the cost of doing 5 unique articles (you can get them at like $3 per which = $15.) You can spin them together to create a great seed article which means great uniquness, great readability (if you don't suck!) and you have a great long term blog network. But I don't see anyone doing this type of service here. What's cheap today will not last for tomorrow...

If done properly, a super spun article is good for many different spin versions. Paragraph and sentence level spinning along with word spinning means a super spun article. If everything is done manually, each version will be readable without a doubt.
You just need to find the right spinner, the best spinner is not enough

Go ahead and make your own network then, and offer it as a service. You'll probably have to charge people like $500 for 50 blog posts. No one is going to buy your service for that price, just saying it how it is.

I guess why some networks like buildmyrank have been successful is because they accept only unique content of decent quality. I've seen several networks being deindexed too, and one factor could be the usage of spun content.

I am building a private network keeping that in mind.. It's under testing, and I should have a BST up maybe next month about it.

Originally Posted by thedon23

Go ahead and make your own network then, and offer it as a service. You'll probably have to charge people like $500 for 50 blog posts. No one is going to buy your service for that price, just saying it how it is.

I wouldn't completely buy the argument that price deters people from buying a service. What needs to be proved is the value of that service vs the price. There might be lesser people buying that sort of a service, however there will be people who will value a qualitative long term backlink over a short term gain. For the majority, it won't sell though.

I understand your frustration, and don't use many blog networks because of this. The level of spinning required to not leave a footprint across 100-500 versions of an article is considerable, and most are too lazy to do it manually or too cheap to pay for super spun articles.

Like you, I'm convinced that the days of these articles being indexed are quickly coming to an end. New blog networks are good for a while, but seem to wane in effectiveness rather quickly.

Like thedon23 mentioned, doing things the "right" way would be cost prohibitive, and most will just hang on to the current spinning method until every last drop of juice is drained out of it.

Originally Posted by cooltoad

If done properly, a super spun article is good for many different spin versions. Paragraph and sentence level spinning along with word spinning means a super spun article. If everything is done manually, each version will be readable without a doubt.
You just need to find the right spinner, the best spinner is not enough

if ubertool is not good, I could say you were promoting it with your reply lol...

but yes, ubertoolz is AMAZING!!!!!

Ubertoolz has its limitation. It has a very nice module where paragraphs are mixed.
But, I was not talking about using Ubertoolz. I was talking about manually super spun articles.

Originally Posted by songer

I understand your frustration, and don't use many blog networks because of this. The level of spinning required to not leave a footprint across 100-500 versions of an article is considerable, and most are too lazy to do it manually or too cheap to pay for super spun articles.

Like you, I'm convinced that the days of these articles being indexed are quickly coming to an end. New blog networks are good for a while, but seem to wane in effectiveness rather quickly.

Like thedon23 mentioned, doing things the "right" way would be cost prohibitive, and most will just hang on to the current spinning method until every last drop of juice is drained out of it.

the god come down from the sky and is offering exactely what OP needs.

damm.... I love this forum

You don't have to spend $500 to get 50 articles...are you nutz??

But for real man, I see one article being spun to the dickens when all it would take is a little more effort to get something that can last more than a couple weeks before big G takes a piss all over your blog network parade. (BTW, I have my own private network of many Wordpress blogs I use in my niche.) I recently hired a writer for $1k a month to write for my network only. I'll pay $1k a month for content on a network per month because I'm building long term value. The content is superb, the network is juiced, and I'm laughing my ass off at these spun content high pr networks that won't be shit for brains after a few weeks of spinning garbage articles.

To all you noobs, suckers out there. This is how you setup a network proper like for sexy link juice for many years to come:

#1 - Buy domains that don't SUCK. That means PR doesn't really matter if it isn't aged and has GOOD links coming to it and it's not in a terrible neighborhood. Hell, it's probably better to just go on a brand new domain buying spree so you know your domains doesn't have a black cloud hanging around them.

#2 - DON'T SPIN SHIT! For real, spinning is the death of a network unless you're a fucking pro at it. Talk to Mad Octopus about spinning or don't do it at all. Get good content. CONTENT THAT IS GOOD! K.

#3 - Good Content! Photos, video's, long articles, short articles, fun articles, smart articles, dumb articles, photo blogs. MIX IT UP. And link out to some good websites in your niche, don't be scared. Just do it. Google likes links. Give them links and mix yours in there too.

#4 - It's okay to have a few blogs on the same IP's if the content is good. Google don't care about that. They just don't like people trying to mess with their algo with shit content. A class, B class, C class blah blah. Yeah, it's important to have a good diversified IP range, but it don't matter if your content reads like a 2 year old wrote it while munching on a oreo cookie in sunday school.

#5 - Hire someone to write for you if you can't do it at least once or twice a week for all your blogs. You setup a network of your own and feed the beast. The rest is history. Build links to your network and bam, you have a long term valuable network that you'll never have to buy a BST again.

I think we are looking at it all wrong. 1st off if the network is providing the content I am sure they can get a bulk rate because of the steady worlkflow. If they charger per submission they can charge the $5 or $6 that people already pay for content. Hell I can get articles writtne for $3 and I only order a handful here and there. So if I was ordering 100 per week or more I might get an even better deal! Anyway a blog network with 100% unique and dare I say interesting content will not just gain authority but *gasp* might even generate readers! Yes, REAL customers! Where there are readers there are also ways to monetize which would subsidize the costs of the network. I mean isn't that pretty much the web 2.0 model? Why couldn't that be replicated in a privately owned blog network? The upside to the network is you actually generate and control the content for the customer so you profit on both sides.

Originally Posted by Getwhatchuwant

I think we are looking at it all wrong. 1st off if the network is providing the content I am sure they can get a bulk rate because of the steady worlkflow. If they charger per submission they can charge the $5 or $6 that people already pay for content. Hell I can get articles writtne for $3 and I only order a handful here and there. So if I was ordering 100 per week or more I might get an even better deal! Anyway a blog network with 100% unique and dare I say interesting content will not just gain authority but *gasp* might even generate readers! Yes, REAL customers! Where there are readers there are also ways to monetize which would subsidize the costs of the network. I mean isn't that pretty much the web 2.0 model? Why couldn't that be replicated in a privately owned blog network? The upside to the network is you actually generate and control the content for the customer so you profit on both sides.

Novel concept, isn't it?? +Rep for you my friend. Getting a network together is expensive. How much are dude's paying for 50 high PR domain names? Thousands right? Why waste that juice on spun garbage for a quick buck from BHW? Use that juice for your own sites and bank hard. I guess I'm just a hater, but this type of mindset is short sited and will only last so long. (For the buyers, the sellers are probably making some nice bank).

I would never use Blognetworks. They just dont work on longterm.
I rarly buy any services because they all just offer spun shit and linkwheels, blog comments, profile links and so on.

The same with all those submission services for 324234234k backlinks. Regardless which method is used. Just stay away. Better buy yourself a permanent blogroll link or a blogpost on a decent blog. Much more value.


I thought about creating a decent backlinkbuilding service here on bhw but i dont see the market really. Also i dont have the time to try. I outsource myself but i use real backlinkbuilding agencies.

Originally Posted by hispdcha

Novel concept, isn't it?? +Rep for you my friend. Getting a network together is expensive. How much are dude's paying for 50 high PR domain names? Thousands right? Why waste that juice on spun garbage for a quick buck from BHW? Use that juice for your own sites and bank hard. I guess I'm just a hater, but this type of mindset is short sited and will only last so long. (For the buyers, the sellers are probably making some nice bank).

You can get as much pagerank 2-4 even pr 5-6 websites for reg costs. Its really easy. Just get some expireds.

You know man, everything is a question of effectiveness. I would personally never buy a service where someone else spin the article for me. I did it in the past but results of such services just suck in long term!!!

But on the other hand, I use BMR for a while now (it's only unique high quality content), but the results I see so far are not worth it.

I mean, if I submit 100 unique articles there I either pay $250 for it or spend 25 hours writing it on my own.

In the same time - 25 hours, I can run various link pyramids with spun content (semi-manual, semi-automated) and achieve results BMR can not match in the deepest ans sweetest dreams. (At least the results seems to be that way).

Anyway, I got my lesson earlier this year when countless ADs were de-indexed and I lost some key positions. So I keep my BMR subscription .

I do not think that this post gave you any advice, but it took me5 mins to write so let's post it.

Originally Posted by xgnux

I would never use Blognetworks. They just dont work on longterm.
I rarly buy any services because they all just offer spun shit and linkwheels, blog comments, profile links and so on.

The same with all those submission services for 324234234k backlinks. Regardless which method is used. Just stay away. Better buy yourself a permanent blogroll link or a blogpost on a decent blog. Much more value.


I thought about creating a decent backlinkbuilding service here on bhw but i dont see the market really. Also i dont have the time to try. I outsource myself but i use real backlinkbuilding agencies.




You can get as much pagerank 2-4 even pr 5-6 websites for reg costs. Its really easy. Just get some expireds.

While I understand your pessimism about blog networks, considering how everyone's riding the wave of the quick buck, results can be long lasting with a powerful network too. In fact, that's what large companies do for SEO too in a way. Build a shit load of sites that link back to it, while they create individual authority for themselves.

I got 10-12 domains and it costed me about $500 bucks, apart from the cost of content. i'd rather preserve that baby than throw spun crap on it!

If you spent $500 per month building networks of your own, you'd be sitting pretty in just 6 months. You could dominate a niche easy! That's how the best do it. That's how I do it. Ranking for 6 out of 10 on front page is pretty good on the pocket book. I just wish people who spent $100 here and there spent that $100 on hosting and a new domain name then took the time to build some descent content on a new website every month. Shit works wonders...

While I understand your pessimism about blog networks, considering how everyone's riding the wave of the quick buck, results can be long lasting with a powerful network too. In fact, that's what large companies do for SEO too in a way. Build a shit load of sites that link back to it, while they create individual authority for themselves.

I have a nwetwork myself but i would never post spun content on it. Creating a network that doesnt get detected by google is much harder then many people think. If its only 10 websites its not that hard. When you have 100 websites on 100 different hosting accounts with different CMS, with many different registrars it gets a lot more difficult.
And remember you cant just create a backlink on every site. That would get the network detected. You can only use some links from it. You can of course use a whole network only for 1 website, but this is so much work and expensive, i would not go this way if its not for a very big website that i can live from.


You can get Xenu and find many expired domains that get their pagerank back. I have so much lying around i dont use.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against spinning just bad spinning. I mean check my sig...the reason I pimp that service is because it allows me to spin readable and unique content so long as I put in the effort and limit the distribution. Its just not as sexy as taking one mediocre article and make it it much worse at the click of a button. I think google expects a certain level of duplication, there are only so many ways to describe your favorite teams victory or a pair of shoes but varying the structure of the content, the paragraphs as well as the words while still being readable takes work.....but its worth it.....also if you don't have the $$ for a private blog network, what's wrong with starting one on a free blogging platform?

that is indeed a good tipp for noobs. Starting a quality blognetwork can of course be done on free blogging platforms.

You can use the public web 2.0's for a while until you get some bank to setup your own. I wouldn't recommend building long term structures using free blog platforms, one day it will disappear. Like anything else, eggs in multiple baskets etc.

Originally Posted by hispdcha

You can use the public web 2.0's for a while until you get some bank to setup your own. I wouldn't recommend building long term structures using free blog platforms, one day it will disappear. Like anything else, eggs in multiple baskets etc.

Agreed just mentioned that as a startup method that lays the groundwork for your real network.

If you think you have identified a big need then put your money where your mouth is and offer a service for it, but I suspect you will quickly find that people aren't willing to pay huge premiums for unique content posts.

Spend the extra money on extremely high quality sites when building the network and you can get away with a lot.

Powerful backlink profiles to the sites > unique content in every post.

The fact that you said buy brand new sites for your network shows me you don't know what you are doing.

Really MrE? I appreciate your hardwork in offering people services here, but I know exactly what I'm doing, thanks. I would never offer a network like that here. I have my own networks I use for myself. There's a lot more money in doing it for yourself then selling to others. Those that know this don't focus on selling services, they focus on building their next big thing. You seem like a genuine guy and you have a lot of rep here, but I also know that you offer a service with spun articles. That tells me you're using people's intellectual inferiority to make money rather than your own intellectual prowess to not have to deal with other's BS. Have a nice day!

What's the point of paying for high quality content to put on my crap link pages when I can spin crap and Google indexes it just the same?

If you have an indexing problem, it might be related to your methods or your content.

If you have a network problem it's probably not related to your content.

I'm on a lot of networks that use both spun and unique content and both are effective for ranking.

@hispdcha, I do both - offer service and rank my own properties. The process is fully outsourced and delivers excellent results for clients.

If it didn't deliver badass results then I wouldn't sell it to people. Period.

Let me ask you this. Why destroy your network with spun content? You're not doing it for your users, you're doing it for the money, no? You wouldn't invest all that money into a network just to spam it unless you had another motive. I'm not saying you don't get results for your clients, but that's not your agenda. If you were building a long term site, would you setup the same type of network to rank your sites? Would you use the same method as your services?

Originally Posted by hispdcha

Let me ask you this. Why destroy your network with spun content? You're not doing it for your users, you're doing it for the money, no? You wouldn't invest all that money into a network just to spam it unless you had another motive. I'm not saying you don't get results for your clients, but that's not your agenda. If you were building a long term site, would you setup the same type of network to rank your sites? Would you use the same method as your services?

Not answering for MrE, but your first assumption is false in my opinion. Spinning doesn't destroy a network. If it's spun to be highly unique (not highly readable), that's perfect. I do have my own network that I don't offer for sale anywhere, I've been using spun content for 2+ years on the network without any de-indexing or ranking problems.

Originally Posted by Kikerinka

But on the other hand, I use BMR for a while now (it's only unique high quality content), but the results I see so far are not worth it.

I mean, if I submit 100 unique articles there I either pay $250 for it or spend 25 hours writing it on my own.

For $250 you can get anywhere from 200 - 350 posts and backlinks on BMR. Why on earth are you paying $2.50 to have them write your articles?

FREELANCE IT!!!!

Originally Posted by thetroglodyte

For $250 you can get anywhere from 200 - 350 posts and backlinks on BMR. Why on earth are you paying $2.50 to have them write your articles?

FREELANCE IT!!!!

Where are you grabbing freelancers for this as I'm looking as well for something similar.

Originally Posted by GoogleAlchemist

Where are you grabbing freelancers for this as I'm looking as well for something similar.

There are a few places that offer specific BMR writing services but the cheapest is usually freelancers on odesk or one of those platforms. Search for BMR Writer and you'll see a bunch of them.

Normally they charge between .60 - $1.00 per post. You can set them up with a "writers" account which will only give them posting access then they will post the articles for you too so you literally don't have to do anything.

Good luck

I just wanted to come back to this post and laugh a little. I hear Mr. E's blog network was de-indexed. Good times!

Originally Posted by hispdcha

I just wanted to come back to this post and laugh a little. I hear Mr. E's blog network was de-indexed. Good times!

I wouldn't laugh bro, cause I know how bad the pain can be! One client of mine had over 100 blogs deindexed, and my business came down by over 50% in last September. We're just recovering from google's onslaught