Ok,so some time ago a guy from a different forum dealing with Forex purchased some bulk adwords accounts.

He refused to make the payment as a gift saying that he can't do it from his country.I bait and allowed him to send trough a different way,as a service or something like that.

The next day after I delivered the accounts,he contacted me over MSN or something like that,asking me for a refund.I asked him what was the problem,since all of my accounts were working,and were delivered with 1000+ impressions and 12 clicks(test campaign,on each.I do this verry rare on request).I said that I'm ok with a refund,and when I tried to check the accounts,to see who's fault was,all the account had changed passwords.I asked him for the new passwords and he said that he can't do that,and if I won't refund him as soon as possible he'll open a paypal dispute.

I ignored him and nothing happend for around 2 weeks,but now the idiot open the dispute on paypal,and now I have a negative balance of around 50$.

What should I do now?This idiot made 2 accounts here and gave me 2 negative iTrader,wich sucks.I reported to mods but nothing happend till now.I'll wait 2 more days then i'll make another report.

Back to paypal now.This is what I get on paypal



So it's a non receipt dispute,wich I don't know wtf is meaning.Paypal looks like it's encouraging me to discuss with the buyer,but it's obvious I can't deal with him.

Another problem,is that he wrote a message "For Adwords account ".I can't tell paypal that I'm selling adwords accounts lol,so I was thinking that I had teach him how to use adwords properly and he made the payment after? This way paypal can't take the money from my account,right? Since there's nothing shipped.

Can you guys teach me what should I do to deal this with paypal?What should I tell them,what should I do?This is my first dispute on paypal in around 3 years,so I have no idea.

You're pretty much fucked now. PayPal is a bitch and chooses the buyers side almost every time in a dispute.

The transaction was made for a tangible item which means something you are going to ship out, if you look at the screenshot above you'll see his address printed for the shipment. But the buyer is quite dumb because he mentioned that it's for Adwords accounts = intangible and if you confirm that it's for Adwords accounts then I will think PayPal will close it in your favor. Now that both of you breached Google's TOS, that is another story and I'm not sure how PayPal handles such things but let's hope for the best.

Edit: To the previous poster, no not really, I've won several disputes though I'm the seller, you just have to have common sense and understood their TOS.

Originally Posted by Junkfood00

The transaction was made for a tangible item which means something you are going to ship out, if you look at the screenshot above you'll see his address printed for the shipment. But the buyer is quite dumb because he mentioned that it's for Adwords accounts = intangible and if you confirm that it's for Adwords accounts then I will think PayPal will close it in your favor. Now that both of you breached Google's TOS, that is another story and I'm not sure how PayPal handles such things but let's hope for the best.

Edit: To the previous poster, no not really, I've won several disputes though I'm the seller, you just have to have common sense and understood their TOS.

I think, better to mention adword account training.

Originally Posted by milans

You're pretty much fucked now. PayPal is a bitch and chooses the buyers side almost every time in a dispute.

I think they get 2 monkeys who have a knife fight. Both of the monkeys wear tshirts. One saying buyer, the other seller. The monkey who wins the knife fight, wins the dispute.

Say you Provided him a Service and helped him manage his Adwards campaign chances are you will be fine

Yea, he basically tried to throw you under the bus but in the process left an open window. But like junkfood00 said, he messed up in saying its adwords, you can argue its for adwords service that you provided which makes more sense then whatever your scammer says. For services paypal might not issue refunds.

Btw, how many adwords accounts did you sell for $50? You sold them with activity, all together for $50? Doesnt seem like a bad service for those price you got there.

Originally Posted by super11

I think, better to mention adword account training.

That's what I tought I should do aswell. Saying to paypal that I gave him training for using his adwords account trough team viewer and some chat services.

Should I click on "Escalate this dispute to a paypal claim" and make a good story?

Edit: So paypal isn't going to refund for services?

Just fyi, paypal will not consider disputes over virtual goods. So if you say that you sold anything that is a virtual good (and not through ebay), the dispute will be automatically ruled in the seller's favour. This was the case last time I checked anyhow, which was earlier this year.
Good luck mate.

Yes, do your side of the story and escalate it to a dispute. No sense in dicking around with him as it won't get you anywhere.

If what you say is true the guy is a scumbag and will get what's coming to him. I would save your effort and move on.

Thanks for your help guys.I escalated this to paypal and let them choose after I wrote a preatty nice story.How much it takes for paypal to make a decision?

Originally Posted by Junkfood00

The transaction was made for a tangible item which means something you are going to ship out, if you look at the screenshot above you'll see his address printed for the shipment. But the buyer is quite dumb because he mentioned that it's for Adwords accounts = intangible and if you confirm that it's for Adwords accounts then I will think PayPal will close it in your favor. Now that both of you breached Google's TOS, that is another story and I'm not sure how PayPal handles such things but let's hope for the best.

Edit: To the previous poster, no not really, I've won several disputes though I'm the seller, you just have to have common sense and understood their TOS.

I've supplied tracking codes and proof of shipment multiple times in case of a dispute but still paypal refunded the money to the scammers.

Maybe it's different with intangible goods though.

Originally Posted by milans

I've supplied tracking codes and proof of shipment multiple times in case of a dispute but still paypal refunded the money to the scammers.

Maybe it's different with intangible goods though.

There are different rules for tangible items, for example if PayPal believes the items are counterfeit, they will refund the buyer immediately and you may not receive the items back from the buyer. You also need to ship the items to the address PayPal got on file to avoid dispute loss and headaches. Bear in mind that not all cases are the same, so make sure to read and understand the TOS, soon you will realize that you are an expert at handling disputes.

Originally Posted by Junkfood00

There are different rules for tangible items, for example if PayPal believes the items are counterfeit, they will refund the buyer immediately and you may not receive the items back from the buyer. You also need to ship the items to the address PayPal got on file to avoid dispute loss and headaches. Bear in mind that not all cases are the same, so make sure to read and understand the TOS, soon you will realize that you are an expert at handling disputes.

When it comes to tangible goods paypal almost always chooses the buyers site unfortunately. You can give them proof of delivery but it doesn't help. Seems there are a lot of ebay sellers who are having this problem also.

Whenever I had a tracking number (as a seller), I always won the dispute. I had it happen at least 5 times.

Originally Posted by milans

When it comes to tangible goods paypal almost always chooses the buyers site unfortunately. You can give them proof of delivery but it doesn't help. Seems there are a lot of ebay sellers who are having this problem also.

Don't base your opinion on others' experiences, you will be come too conscious about it, you just have to play the game well, read the rules and know your cards, I've also read a lot of horror stories but I remain with PayPal and I've never had a problem with them. A tip is to call them up (via Skype for free) whenever you think there is a risk to your account, that's another way to eliminate problems.

I think I know that person

PM his Skype if you have it

Originally Posted by WizIMS

I think I know that person

PM his Skype if you have it

He owns this site http://www.heatpumpcompressor.net/ maybe that helps finding out his other details.

Originally Posted by milans

You're pretty much fucked now. PayPal is a bitch and chooses the buyers side almost every time in a dispute.

Yep, this is why I never use paypal anymore... I REFUSE to accept payment through those losers.

... WOW.. This guy has been pulling off disputes left, right and center. I remember this guy disputed one of the SEO services he ordered from me a month ago. It was for a pretty large amount as well.

I remember this guy. Hope some of the following information helps.

Personal Information:
Skype: abhishekishere2010
Country: India

That's all I know/remember, but this guy is also a member on BlackHatWorld. He should be banned.

Yeah, that name sounds all too familiar. It's guys like him who give Indians a bad name.

I'm also in a paypal dispute at the moment with someone who has vanished on me. Thankfully, I'm the buyer - hope it goes well as it is a decent amount of money.

Wow I can't believe this guy is just disputing all his payments.. I don't know the rules in India but that should be completely illegal. PayPal is a real fool when it comes to situations like this.

Originally Posted by Junkfood00

He owns this site http://www.heatpumpcompressor.net/ maybe that helps finding out his other details.

Well, he's definitely reading this thread, as he just changed the whois on that domain name to something completely bogus. 1st step, fuck with him and report him to his registrar for fake whois.

Fuck him over?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1683063909

Originally Posted by Rickyj

Fuck him over?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1683063909

I'm sure it would be fairly easy to find someone in New Delhi to "collect", in exchange for a few rupees.

Well his wikipedia page is constantly being vandalised,wonder why?
Trace the IP of that site and see what else he owns.
I have no doubt there will be a site making him money,target that first.

Anyway these sites were on his wikipedia page (silly boy).
www.indianbuzz.com www.qualitypride.com www.thecavalier.org
These might not be his btw do some further checks,I'm just going by name.

Doublecheck the host ip with the site above.
If they are his (same name) spam any blogs you own and report his sites to spamhaus.

If he is reading this I'd assume he has enough sense to stop(or refund) any disputes with you guys above.The cavalier site looks like an army site,don't think his rep will be much when the sites are downed due to spamming.

I hate people who pull shit like this,you can bet he gets paid so I'd make bloody sure he learns never to screw fellow bhw users.
Just google his name to get the wikipedia page and he also has an adroid apps page etc.Plenty to screw him right over if he doesn't get you guys sorted.

Do one thing, don't fill up ur negative balance and this adword training thing is good. Paypal dont cover virtual items and they wont give that 50$ from their own pocket.

Get his PayPal account screwed and he won't be able to scam anyone anymore.

Oh and make sure to clickbomb his AdSense too.

I'm not onto revanging or anything like that,all I concentrate about it's money.Loosing time revanging on him,it's like loosing money.

Thanks for the ideas anyway

i also got scammed at paypal like 600 $ but i had withdrawed most of the money to my bank account so i got the money. but i had to say BB to my paypal account. It was at 500$ negative balance and still it is it is also closed now.

paypal has the worst system. you can tell your cousin which lives at different city to login your account and buy some digital services and then you can open dispute as unauthorized transaction. you will loose the dispute 100% as digital items seller

This is exactly why I DO NOT use PayPal. They totally suck for sellers.

Originally Posted by Westernstar

This is exactly why I DO NOT use PayPal. They totally suck for sellers.

Too bad we don't have an popular alternative like paypal is...

Its better before we judge about someone , know all of the things about him and then make the judgment . ..i am the guy who bought the accounts and the abhishek just do the payment

The acotut user is not a scammer but he is a lier person too ... i did not changed any password of his bullshit accounts .

i looking for someone run my adwords campaigns but he send me just active adwords , when i told him i dont need these type of accounts and i cant run of them so pay back my money ..he avoid to pay back and told me did the instructions i sent you , i do one account but the account immediately block .. i sent him again that payback my money i dont need these type of accounts but he told me again do the instruction , i tried with second account but the account block again immediately .

i wrote him that instead of 10 accounts run 3 account for but run the campaigns buy yourself due to i am not familiar with adwords and these type of accounts or payback my money but he did not do it as he knows all of accounts block immediately...below is one of the accounts block immediately and i am ready to give someone password if run any of his accounts

sisutudortudor@yahoo.ro
pass: 123calin

this is the topic i made before and avoid of him but he saw the topic and made this story .. :
blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/adwords/384402-acotut-user-adwords-thief-really-avoid-person-write-here-other-adwords-thief.html#post3604754[/url]

its better a seller be responsible for what he sell not just scam people .. i wrote him several emails to help me to get revenue from accounts and run just 3 of them but he did not help me at all

this is the email in picture above i sent him 15 days ago ... first i told him run 5 campaigns instead of 10 but do it by yourself [ however i satisfied with 3 one later but he did not do it] ... just see what he answered me in return instead of support clients .

Originally Posted by acotut

Too bad we don't have an popular alternative like paypal is...

alertpay is also good but they are not popular as you said.

If someone gives you account logins and your not familiar with these kinds of accounts, you shouldnt even log into them. You can get the account banned just by loging into them with a bad IP or cookies...

Originally Posted by shaddelick

If someone gives you account logins and your not familiar with these kinds of accounts, you shouldnt even log into them. You can get the account banned just by loging into them with a bad IP or cookies...

i didnt login to other 8 accounts ..i told him at begin i dont want this kind of service and pay back my money but he Insistence to me to run accounts .

i wonder if you can run the accounts also

C'mon. This is like going to the cops to complain you got your drugs stolen. What happens when PP ask you exactly what this thing you sold is? You risk more than just this $50 transaction. Suck it up, move on.

Originally Posted by wrangler

C'mon. This is like going to the cops to complain you got your drugs stolen. What happens when PP ask you exactly what this thing you sold is? You risk more than just this $50 transaction. Suck it up, move on.

couldnt of said it better myself... Your risking your PayPal account over $50.

For future reference i would ask customers not to mention anything in the PayPal notes.

If i can get all those accounts for that cheap, i'd be a happy camper

Originally Posted by shaddelick

If i can get all those accounts for that cheap, i'd be a happy camper

are you happy if you have 10000 accounts but none of them works ?

I faced cases like this 2-3 times... But i won all of them... There's no secret how i tackle paypal .. Just upload all documents... That you discussed with him... Paypal don't care wtf with adwords or so.. They care about their self only...