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    Hey guys,

    I've seen SEDemon poking out of the shadows over the last month or so (especially their prevalent ad above this very post, on the right with a rather random picture of Matt Cutts..)
    I watched the intro video and it just seemed to be a complete rip of the SENuke framework (atleast the images senuke use were the same) except with less functionality at a lesser price.

    I've been a fan of SENuke for the past 3 years and have even remember the video module

    If anyone has any feedback for me on SEDemon I'd maybe give it a try but it's only $50 cheaper then SENuke with a load less modules..
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    I think the word you're looking for is "competitor," not "rip-off." It's made by a stand up member of this forum, and he seems to back his products, so it is worth keeping an eye on. As for pricing, where did you find out how much it cost? I didn't see that on any threads or the site.

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    If SEDemon allows custom scripts to process in sockets and doesn't have a million memory leaks then it won't just compete, it'll win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phr0zt View Post
    I think the word you're looking for is "competitor," not "rip-off." It's made by a stand up member of this forum, and he seems to back his products, so it is worth keeping an eye on. As for pricing, where did you find out how much it cost? I didn't see that on any threads or the site.
    hinted at that it'll be 97a month

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    Quote Originally Posted by phr0zt View Post
    I think the word you're looking for is "competitor," not "rip-off." It's made by a stand up member of this forum, and he seems to back his products, so it is worth keeping an eye on. As for pricing, where did you find out how much it cost? I didn't see that on any threads or the site.
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    It's gonna be a joke. Sorry clyde
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    Look like a good competitor. One guy even asked Matt Cuts about SE demon..lol see his reply



    That pic link is pointing to this


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    Quote Originally Posted by hardcorebiker View Post
    Look like a good competitor. One guy even asked Matt Cuts about SE demon..lol see his reply



    That pic link is pointing to this
    Amazing ahha

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    LOL, that bloody bastard probably used and same background color, not just same images!

    Come on man... You judge by the icons?

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    It's all about how many sites it can post to and how often he refreshes that list. If it has a respectable number of sites and he rotates them out so Google doesn't rape him then it'll be a SEXYDemon. But if he thinks just because it has a wizard that looks like SEN then it'll just be another SEMENDemon.

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    If it's cheaper than SEnuke and has a few more options or even the same amount of options as SEnuke... Then it's a win in my book who gives a shit, If it was a complete rip of the framework don't you think the owner would have the SEnuke team knocking at his door already?

    It's also backed by a reputable member on this forum so it's all good

    P.S- It's a relatively new tool to the SEO industry so give it time and you'll see the name everywhere.
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    ahiddenman -

    That's the thing, at the moment it has a smaller number of "options" i prefer "modules" by about half so far..

    And from what I've seen it doesn't have any services to do with Articles, Press Releases, Indexing, Social Bookmarking, PDFs, RSS Feeds or WordPress integration - Overall in my opinion it looks pretty like SENuke for 50 bucks less with 1/3 of the modules and no proper proof that it even works on it's own domain..
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    If matt Cutts notices it's gone be a problem lol

    And it will be competing not RIP OFF because Senuke team are matured like Scrapebox team so it's not easy to out them out of the game

    BTW: Just kidding :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHSellerUK View Post
    ahiddenman -

    That's the thing, at the moment it has a smaller number of "options" i prefer "modules" by about half so far..

    And from what I've seen it doesn't have any services to do with Articles, Press Releases, Indexing, Social Bookmarking, PDFs, RSS Feeds or WordPress integration - Overall in my opinion it looks pretty like SENuke for 50 bucks less with 1/3 of the modules and no proper proof that it even works on it's own domain..
    Yes I understand but all software that's still in it's early day's won't have lot's of features.. SEnuke has been around for years so the dev team have added more and more features over that period of time.

    You need to support software creator's by sticking with them because in time they add in more features and modules, and I think this software will grow even more once the dev team start adding more features

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHSellerUK View Post
    ahiddenman -

    That's the thing, at the moment it has a smaller number of "options" i prefer "modules" by about half so far..

    And from what I've seen it doesn't have any services to do with Articles, Press Releases, Indexing, Social Bookmarking, PDFs, RSS Feeds or WordPress integration - Overall in my opinion it looks pretty like SENuke for 50 bucks less with 1/3 of the modules and no proper proof that it even works on it's own domain..
    Either you have access to the beta and insider knowledge of pricing and if you have then you should not be blabbing about it on
    here just now. But if you don't and you are only basing these assumptions on a video snippet, then I would hold
    fire on the wild assumptions until the software is actually here. From what I have seen in the video, yes it looks a
    tad like Senuke but thats all your seeing and how many other softwares use the same or are trying to implement the same
    diagram designers.

    Lets just wait and see what the software actually is and what it does and costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahiddenman View Post
    Yes I understand but all software that's still in it's early day's won't have lot's of features.. SEnuke has been around for years so the dev team have added more and more features over that period of time.

    You need to support software creator's by sticking with them because in time they add in more features and modules, and I think this software will grow even more once the dev team start adding more features
    I agree with this. But it was quoted he said the price would be around $97/m as a starting price point? Clyde's tools have been excellent up to this point and I hope SEDemon succeeds, but we already have big players out there for cheaper than that. Ultimate Demon and Magic Submitter are both cheaper and have a tons of options, platforms.

    If you are going to come out at a $97/m price point to start, than your program better be on par with those 2 at the very least. The market is still open for a True All-In-One software. All these software's out now UD, SENuke, MS are great programs, but they all fail on some level, The main fail being WEB 2.0 sites. WEB 2.0's are what most people are paying a monthly for when they buy these software's, they should be fixed/replaced atleast once a week. The SENuke creators have no excuse for not keeping atleast 50-60 WEB 2.0 Sites updated for what they are charging a month. I mean hand coded WEB 2.0 sites such as Weebly, ect.. Not Platform WEB 2.0's. Ever since they added that Macro Creator / Crowd Sourcing feature they have slacked on keeping quality sites in the program. I could have told you that was going to happen as soon as they announced that feature.

    If I were you this is what I would do:
    1.) Take a look and the MS, UD and SENUKE forums and see what people are complaining about and fix it in your software.

    2.) Keep Sites Updated Weekly. WEB 2.0's will be your Bread and Butter, no program out there does WEB 2.0's well and its a shame because WEB2.0's should be what the monthly money should be going towards for the most part.

    3.) Don't oversell. If you are going to sell at $97/m fine. Just Limit it to 500-650 Copies. You will still make a ton of money and your user base will stay loyal and happy. Problem with a lot of backlink tools is they oversell and overselling is not really good to your customer base, sites die faster, software gets cracked. SENuke is cracked pretty much as soon as they update, now they have thousands of customers plus a ton of others using the cracked version with access to the same sites. No wonder the sites die so fast. Just get a good User Base of like 500-650 and just fill the spots of people who cancel every month or so. Atleast that is how I would do it.

    Sorry for my little rant.
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    Is there any specific releasing date of this tool?

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    All great points, and I agree

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    Is there anything original about this thing? Even the name isn't original, half is from UD and other half from Nuke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiant13 View Post
    Is there anything original about this thing? Even the name isn't original, half is from UD and other half from Nuke.
    None of the words are copyrighted. so, anyone can use it. I myself using the software. It is surely a hit and compete against senuke

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiant13 View Post
    Is there anything original about this thing? Even the name isn't original, half is from UD and other half from Nuke.

    Quote Originally Posted by linksmaster View Post
    None of the words are copyrighted. so, anyone can use it. I myself using the software. It is surely a hit and compete against senuke
    Ya, there is nothing wrong for the software developer to use that name since none of the words are copyrighted. However, it just shows that the software developer is lack of creativity.

    Not only that, the software developer has no confidence on the software itself and try to leverage on other people's brand. Shame on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linksmaster View Post
    None of the words are copyrighted. so, anyone can use it. I myself using the software. It is surely a hit and compete against senuke
    Just so that we can all benefit from the beta usage of the tool, where does the tool exactly shine in usage? Not a knock against it since we have no idea besides a video of how it works, but what is the USP for this software package? The price point? The diagram link builder? Is there anything here really that is new and world changing about building links in the seo sphere or is this more of the same old, same old? I like Clyde and like his software (it's pretty damn stable), but it seems that a lot of his stuff comes AFTER another dev has already made the mark for a certain toolset and he's faced with coming in at a certain price point just to compete. Any insight into how this tool compares against the more mature ones would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike007 View Post


    Ya, there is nothing wrong for the software developer to use that name since none of the words are copyrighted. However, it just shows that the software developer is lack of creativity.

    Not only that, the software developer has no confidence on the software itself and try to leverage on other people's brand. Shame on him.
    Where is the brand involved. Everyone can use the word "seo and backlinks". Same thing goes to "SE" and "demon"

    Quote Originally Posted by cody41 View Post
    Just so that we can all benefit from the beta usage of the tool, where does the tool exactly shine in usage? Not a knock against it since we have no idea besides a video of how it works, but what is the USP for this software package? The price point? The diagram link builder? Is there anything here really that is new and world changing about building links in the seo sphere or is this more of the same old, same old? I like Clyde and like his software (it's pretty damn stable), but it seems that a lot of his stuff comes AFTER another dev has already made the mark for a certain toolset and he's faced with coming in at a certain price point just to compete. Any insight into how this tool compares against the more mature ones would be great.
    Software is yet to be released. No one, other than beta testers knows exactly the usage of the software. It is really unnecessary to talk and describe about the software to public now itself. You will see real reviews and how this software compete with already existing softwares will be known very soon.

    And blaming creator without having any idea about what he was created exactly is really bad plot.

    At the end of the day, everyone is going after "cheap and best thing".

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    If he's going to compete on price like his bookmarking tool, it's going to have to be pretty fricking low. 2 year license for UD comes in at $14.46/mo after that it's just $6.13/mo every 2 years.
    There certainly is a market for that just like there's a market that his bookmarking tool serves at a third of the price of the market leader BD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimi View Post
    It's gonna be a joke. Sorry clyde
    What makes you say that?

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    Is there anything original about this thing? Even the name isn't original, half is from UD and other half from Nuke.
    Lmaooooooooo

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    Does this software does web 2.0. press release, article submission, directory submissions etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiant13 View Post
    Is there anything original about this thing? Even the name isn't original, half is from UD and other half from Nuke.
    Lol, this. At least try to be original about the name.

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    What's the anticipated price range?

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    What's the anticipated price range?
    Approx $97/mo, give or take.

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    If you are on a budget and have the resources to scrape your own target lists then I would go with UD.

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    $97 is a bit pricey for an introductory price in my opinion. Magic Submitter is cheaper and packed with a lot more modules (not to say very stable as its been around for years). I never liked SE Nuke to begin with. Over priced and has half the features and capability of MS. Shoot, even UD is better than SE Nuke in my opinion. The just have great marketing.

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    If it has got 'wizard and scheduling' of senuke and 'list management' of UD..its a win win

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    If the changes that are coming down the pike hold up to be true, and Google is cutting off tiered linking at the knees..this tool MIGHT be dead on arrival by the time it hits.

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    Just got an email....SE Demon is free for the first 7 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dizongroup View Post
    Just got an email....SE Demon is free for the first 7 days.
    I received that mail too. And the price is $47/month and not $97 !

    I really think SE Demon is a great service and will definitely be a competitor for senuke. But let's give it some time xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardcorebiker View Post
    Look like a good competitor. One guy even asked Matt Cuts about SE demon..lol see his reply



    That pic link is pointing to this
    Why do people even tell Matt Cutts about shit like this?
    People need to learn how to just STFU.

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    Has somebody tried it yet?

    I have a couple of questions about SEDEMON.


    1. Does it have a preview button (and spin again button) in all the modules so I can see and test how my content looks like in each module like senuke or ud have?


    2. When I chain a social bookmarking module to a wiki module - is there a way that it only builds social bookmarks to the live wiki sites? I mean there is no point in building links to dead links I guess. Senuke has the toolbox module for that to filter out only live links.


    3. Are they going to include Article Builder as source for content. I mean the Turbo Wizard looks exactly like the one from Senuke xcr but what about the content? Would be nice to have the option to select the content source there as well.


    4. Are there any kind of tokens for link placement within the content? Or is there going to be a contextual link feature where I can setup a group of keywords and urls and once the keyword is in the content it links it to one of the urls listed. I should be able to say how many links (min, max) I want per submission of course.


    5. What is the biggest difference beside the price point between sedemon and senuke xcr or ud?


    6. What is the biggest advantage of sedemon compared to senuke xcr or ultimate demon?


    7. What are future plans for this software - what features are coming?


    8. Is there any kind of site list management feature?


    Looking forward to the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo4u View Post
    I received that mail too. And the price is $47/month and not $97 !

    I really think SE Demon is a great service and will definitely be a competitor for senuke. But let's give it some time xD
    No monthly subscription for me. I purchased a lifetime license for $88.00
    For the price that I paid for a lifetime license, going through some hiccups etc are going to be just fine with me. Besides I own a copy of all of clydes products and none of them have left me feeling dissapointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeydell View Post
    No monthly subscription for me. I purchased a lifetime license for $88.00
    For the price that I paid for a lifetime license, going through some hiccups etc are going to be just fine with me. Besides I own a copy of all of clydes products and none of them have left me feeling dissapointed.
    $88 lifetime license! That's ridiculously low. Probably clyde is fearing penguin 2.0. Lol

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    That's possible, who knows what google really has laying ahead for all us.

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    That's my thought as well. Clyde see's the potential writing on the wall for backlink tools "like" this since Cutts alluded to it in his latest video. As a developer, good for him for going through the upfront discount price grab. No problems with it..and the tool works for the most part. But i've got so many tools at this point that all do the same thing, to be honest. I just hope he keeps adding innovation to it. A roadmap would be nice to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cody41 View Post
    That's my thought as well. Clyde see's the potential writing on the wall for backlink tools "like" this since Cutts alluded to it in his latest video. As a developer, good for him for going through the upfront discount price grab. No problems with it..and the tool works for the most part. But i've got so many tools at this point that all do the same thing, to be honest. I just hope he keeps adding innovation to it. A roadmap would be nice to see.
    Agreed, I would buy this if I could see what he has planned for the next few months of development, otherwise I'm just going to stick with my current toolset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cody41 View Post
    That's my thought as well. Clyde see's the potential writing on the wall for backlink tools "like" this since Cutts alluded to it in his latest video. As a developer, good for him for going through the upfront discount price grab. No problems with it..and the tool works for the most part. But i've got so many tools at this point that all do the same thing, to be honest. I just hope he keeps adding innovation to it. A roadmap would be nice to see.
    I have the same problem..lots of tool do the same thing ..if one tool adds one platform, others just add it as well...some of the tools are just been there on my HD and not used since ages..

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