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    Clicking on their own Google ads...

    Yeah, in it's simplest form that's what it amounts to. But when you can get a proxy for a $1 pm you could buy one for each day of the month and use it for that day, as long as you're more than covering the $1

    Just curious is there something big G is able to do that would know it was you clicking the ad given you're using new IP each day?




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    just the IP is not enough what about user agent and resolution

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    You will get banned. Google knows everything. It can track location, CTR, where the traffic is coming from. Don't do it dude. Just no.

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    Click spamming is the oldest trick in the book.
    I lost my adsense account (with $12,000 in it) when Google claimed I was clickspamming when I wasn't.
    They eventually gave me $8000 - though neither I nor the original advertisers saw the other $4000. Thieving ba$tards.

    Click spamming has been done to death. There are bots that rotate IP addresses and either do it to add to adsense earnings or to drain a competitors adwords account funds
    Google are pretty hot on this, and would rather blame innocents than let real claick spammers go.

    They know confidence in their entire business model depends on the authenticity/trust of clicking and adsense/adwords.
    If big business thought they could be ripped off by people simply finding and clicking their ads to either drain resource from them or to add funds to 3rd party adsense accounts, they would ditch Google's PPC quick - and that would be the end of Google.
    It's not surprising then that they are very/overly/obsessively cautious and will wave the "ban hammer"/"adsense account closure hammer" at anyone they even THINK might be click spamming.
    Normally they close it the day before your payment is due as well. Or at least it seems that way.
    And yes - normally they KEEP all the money. Neither the adsense nor adwards account gets recredited. I had to fight for almost a year for my partial payment and send Google UK solicitors letters etc. And then it was only a partial payment.

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    I read somewhere, that proxy can be detected.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Treeofl1 View Post
    You will get banned. Google knows everything. It can track location, CTR, where the traffic is coming from. Don't do it dude. Just no.
    Exactly. Google has very sophisticated systems in place to prevent fraud so you can count on getting banned pretty much instantly (actually, even worse - you won't get banned instantly - you'll get banned right before your cheque is due to being released, meaning that you'll have also lost any money that you've invested into proxies, etc.).

    Sure, you could possibly make this work by building something very sophisticated yourself (send a ton of junk traffic to keep your CTR low, use a different VPS for each click, etc., etc., etc.) but if you did all that then you would spend much more on setting the whole thing up than you would make from those clicks.

    If this was doable then it would be done by a lot of people and Google would be bankrupt by now.

    My suggestion: put your energy into coming up with strategies that will make you money without you clicking on your own links or filling your own CPA offers. Much more beneficial both in the short run and the long run.

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    Thanks guys,

    But just wanted to thrash this one out.

    User agents can be spoofed very easily, as can the resolution. If you use Zenoposter of Ubot you'll know how easy it is to change the user agent.

    Then there's location. Well, using the IP just one time and hitting an adsense laiden site for a duration of say 15 mins during that one day would be low key I'd of thought? You would of course click through on other pages as normal, and hit an ad say every 4 minutes. Stay on that add page for maybe 1 minute... If using ubot you could have a new browser do some browser movements on your behalf.
    The CTR would be low - you're only going to hit maybe 5 ads in the 15 minute time frame...

    I would imagine the scenario I posted above isn't enough to get any serious revenue. It might bring you up 4 or 5 dollars per day. If you were already bringing in $3 pday on adsense earnings and jumped to $5 pd then that's 66% rise in earnings... this rise could trigger an alarm with big G, who knows?

    Anyhow just wanted to put this one out there and see what you guys thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by needknees View Post
    Thanks guys,

    But just wanted to thrash this one out.

    User agents can be spoofed very easily, as can the resolution. If you use Zenoposter of Ubot you'll know how easy it is to change the user agent.

    Then there's location. Well, using the IP just one time and hitting an adsense laiden site for a duration of say 15 mins during that one day would be low key I'd of thought? You would of course click through on other pages as normal, and hit an ad say every 4 minutes. Stay on that add page for maybe 1 minute... If using ubot you could have a new browser do some browser movements on your behalf.
    The CTR would be low - you're only going to hit maybe 5 ads in the 15 minute time frame...

    I would imagine the scenario I posted above isn't enough to get any serious revenue. It might bring you up 4 or 5 dollars per day. If you were already bringing in $3 pday on adsense earnings and jumped to $5 pd then that's 66% rise in earnings... this rise could trigger an alarm with big G, who knows?

    Anyhow just wanted to put this one out there and see what you guys thought.
    You're forgetting two important aspects here:

    1) Google have a ton of information about your traffic, your visitors, as well as even what other sites your visitors visit. Based on all of this info they can spot you quite easily.

    2) Google aren't afraid of terminating accounts based on false positives, so even the slightest alarm bell can easily cost you your account and all of the earnings that you have in this account, including legitimate earnings. And boom - you're also out of the $3 per day legitimate earnings in the future unless you partner with someone else who has an Adsense account, and even then your site could easily be blacklisted, meaning that your partner's Adsense account will be terminated as well.

    Similarly to Scritty above, I've also had my Adsense account terminated based on a false positive. It was a games website with very consistent traffic, but at one point the CTR increased bigtime. Shortly after this, the account was terminated with no explanation given (that's always the case), but I can only assume that it was due to the CTR increase as it indicated that there could be click spamming going on. In reality, however, the reason for the increased CTR was a new version of the video game that the site was about coming out, which triggered increased interest in clicking on related ads. That's how simple it is to get banned from Adsense - even when doing nothing dodgy at all - now think about your odds when you're indeed doing dodgy stuff!

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    meanwhile tiny people with weird eyes and funny writing are hammering adsense and other networks with 1mil+ zombie botnets. and i'm not talking about this which is the newbier way. dont be upset, google needs the money they stole from you to pay smart people solve unsolvable problems meanwhile slightly adapted spam techniques from 2006 still work in the SE if you do it right.

    all google has is scare tactics and misinformation. if they loose that they probably loose everything.

    back to the + points for them - they do have best network of this type and SE even with all the BH stuff going on. fact is they make money, advertisers make money, publishers make money. win-win-win. so even an incident that would affect their image/trust wouldnt crash them because money talks. i have a buddy who was making tens of thousands from adsense with thousands of spam sites. all 100% spam. they would ban individual sites from time to time, he'd read a new domain same day. they never banned his account. this was a while ago so maybe now they're more aggressive but whatever. were there's will there's a way.



    Quote Originally Posted by Scritty View Post
    Click spamming is the oldest trick in the book.
    I lost my adsense account (with $12,000 in it) when Google claimed I was clickspamming when I wasn't.
    They eventually gave me $8000 - though neither I nor the original advertisers saw the other $4000. Thieving ba$tards.

    Click spamming has been done to death. There are bots that rotate IP addresses and either do it to add to adsense earnings or to drain a competitors adwords account funds
    Google are pretty hot on this, and would rather blame innocents than let real claick spammers go.

    They know confidence in their entire business model depends on the authenticity/trust of clicking and adsense/adwords.
    If big business thought they could be ripped off by people simply finding and clicking their ads to either drain resource from them or to add funds to 3rd party adsense accounts, they would ditch Google's PPC quick - and that would be the end of Google.
    It's not surprising then that they are very/overly/obsessively cautious and will wave the "ban hammer"/"adsense account closure hammer" at anyone they even THINK might be click spamming.
    Normally they close it the day before your payment is due as well. Or at least it seems that way.
    And yes - normally they KEEP all the money. Neither the adsense nor adwards account gets recredited. I had to fight for almost a year for my partial payment and send Google UK solicitors letters etc. And then it was only a partial payment.

    Scritty

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    Google won't ban you if you "happen" to click on your ads, but if you do it regularly say farewell to your account.
    This member has been permanently banned from BHW.

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    It's just impossible to make it look natural enough for the algorithms in place. Say bye to your account if you do that.

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    Your best change is to get invite to some ad click exchange group that know what it do if you really want to do clickfraud.
    There is strick rules in those groups and propably you will never find any good group (itīs not easy task to find good one)
    There is still change that your account banned but if you are lucky you earned some nice money before that.
    I would say itīs easier to do adsense money legally than try to trick them

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    Are we back in 2000 here?

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    Yep, there's gold in them thar clicks! Deja vue all over again.

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    Maybe reading what others think will not work for you. So let me tell you my story.

    Don't click on your own ads. You always leave a footprint. The easiest one is going to your website directly, typing your url, then you click on an ad, then you spend 5 seconds on the page etc etc.

    It doesn't work. If it does, its not worth the effort. Better other people clicking than me. I make more money.

    I did this some 8 years ago. Got a lot of money for 2 months. The account was banned. Now I have to use my husband's name for my adsense. If the bugger leaves me for a pretty blond, i'm damned.

    Is it worth it? Yes. You will make a lot of money quickly. Is it really worth it? I'd rather others click.

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    This method is long dead and gone - doesnt work anymore

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    OP, you're like 8 years late to the fraud party.
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    You may get away with a few dollars everyday but not for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeevs View Post
    well said...........

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    Ok all fair points. So let's turn this on its head:

    What if I were to target a competitor? Rather than clicking on my ads I decided to click on his. Won't he then get his account banned?

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    There is a plugin for mozilla that fakes the user agent(browser and operating system), resolution can be modified, ip can pass proxy test (ie. ipqualityscore.com) but the past of the IP, searches don't represent a normal user, but a bot, so you will be banned in the end. Also they see that the traffic isn't converting at all, useless.

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    LOL...

    I've tried clicking few times and NEVER got credited...

    IMHO if you are overclicking it, it might be easy way to get your adsense account banned lol...

    don't do that, even through proxies/vpn/etc... I think G is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too smart for that.

    just my $0.02

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    they have away of getting your ip even through proxies

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    i would advise to change the boards post-count system and reverse it...
    ...make em read at least 15 post in a special section before being able to post and so forth.

    yeah - we would have to gather the mostFAQ ones but i guess it`ll be worth it in the long run...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zyestra View Post
    they have away of getting your ip even through proxies
    I think is has something to do with them getting some stuff on your machine... something like permanent cookie or close... basically, impossible to click from machine you've logged on.. not sure about IP's, have not tried to play that game as I value my adsense account and don't want it to get banned...

    Seriously, if you are that eager to get clicks, tell your friends to do that in a normal manner... I think G is that smart that it even tracks click time and spent time on target site before it credits you... so just dumb clicks wont work. If I were G'adsense developer, I would make it so and there is nothing that shows that G's adsense people are stupider than me....

    Well, my advice would be - if you have your adsense account, dont fuck with the fake clicks - wont get you anywhere.

    I have been working on traffic exchange scripts since 2001 and trust me, fake clicks are easy to track. Think what G has today....

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    Ho boy, here we go again ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by madoctopus View Post
    meanwhile tiny people with weird eyes and funny writing are hammering adsense and other networks with 1mil+ zombie botnets. and i'm not talking about this which is the newbier way. dont be upset, google needs the money they stole from you to pay smart people solve unsolvable problems meanwhile slightly adapted spam techniques from 2006 still work in the SE if you do it right.

    all google has is scare tactics and misinformation. if they loose that they probably loose everything.

    back to the + points for them - they do have best network of this type and SE even with all the BH stuff going on. fact is they make money, advertisers make money, publishers make money. win-win-win. so even an incident that would affect their image/trust wouldnt crash them because money talks. i have a buddy who was making tens of thousands from adsense with thousands of spam sites. all 100% spam. they would ban individual sites from time to time, he'd read a new domain same day. they never banned his account. this was a while ago so maybe now they're more aggressive but whatever. were there's will there's a way.
    I'm sure it still goes on, but as soon as they see un-natural clicking or a pattern of transactions out of the norm on either adsense or adwords they get sus.
    A quick search here, Warrior or traffic planet will un-earth many stories of people who have had the rug pulled out of their adsense account or had their adwrods account drained (proving that click spamming must go on)

    My personal experience is - as soon as they sniff anything untoward, they ban - and keep the adsense earnings and do not recredit the adwords accounts. I'm sure it can be gamed, but they don't just look at IP, referrer, user agent. They look for patterns over the short, medium and long term and other fancy footwork.

    If they get a sniff they ban first and ask questions later.

    Scritty

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    Clicking your own ads - Very Blackhat.

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    Smells like 2005 in here

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    My thoughts exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by needknees View Post
    Ok all fair points. So let's turn this on its head:

    What if I were to target a competitor? Rather than clicking on my ads I decided to click on his. Won't he then get his account banned?
    This is called clickbombing and it's happening quite often.

    Google expect you to keep an eye on your account daily and report if you see any invalid clicks / an unreasonably high CTR. I can't post links but there's even a special form for these reports. If you don't report it and just let it ride then your account often gets banned even though you're the victim. (hasn't happened to me but there's been a lot of reports on forums)

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    I got one thing to say, you can't mess with google, unless you are pro in the gime, like doing internet marketing for 10+ years, even then its hard...I mean.. its google...

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    If you think that you can trick Google with proxys then you don't know Google.

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    i totally with the points shared by scritty. good share mate.

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    If only it was that easy. lol

    btw I still remember crapping myself the first time I accidentally clicked on one of my own adds while tweaking a website thinking I would get banned.

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    I have been lurking here for quite a while and never post, but this thread kind of got me.

    I am a member of 3 separate click exchange groups, and know of another 3 of bad quality I avoid. Not only is click fraud easy to get away with, but the biggest earner in my inner circle netted over 1k this month on his own, with minimal work. Even better, 1k is considered small potatoes to the big players Ive been involved with. What I mean to say is, everyone saying its not possible just doesn't know what they are talking about. No offense.

    Click fraud can also be automated, and has been in the past with varying degrees of success. I am currently working on a method using perl to do this.

    Also of interest to OP: go to wikipedias page for "Click Fraud" do ctrl + f and search on the page for "michael Anthony Bradley." He was arrested for trying to "extort google" after creating software to 100% circumvent googles algorithm to catch click fraudsters.

    Hope I helped

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    MAC Address of modem, PC, monitor, shit, probably even your mouse. Google has figured out how to detect all of this. The days of simply changing your IP are a distant oasis, buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H3mp Seed View Post
    I have been lurking here for quite a while and never post, but this thread kind of got me.

    I am a member of 3 separate click exchange groups, and know of another 3 of bad quality I avoid. Not only is click fraud easy to get away with, but the biggest earner in my inner circle netted over 1k this month on his own, with minimal work. Even better, 1k is considered small potatoes to the big players Ive been involved with. What I mean to say is, everyone saying its not possible just doesn't know what they are talking about. No offense.

    Click fraud can also be automated, and has been in the past with varying degrees of success. I am currently working on a method using perl to do this.

    Also of interest to OP: go to wikipedias page for "Click Fraud" do ctrl + f and search on the page for "michael Anthony Bradley." He was arrested for trying to "extort google" after creating software to 100% circumvent googles algorithm to catch click fraudsters.

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    Click fraud and any other kind of computer crime is possible, as long as you know what you're doing. But even the savvy internet marketer will have to go to much more difficult lengths to successfully trick google these days. Also, that's not what this forum is about. Black hat does not mean illegal.

    Take it from a guy who's been in IM since before CAN-SPAM, hit and run illegal tactics can score you a nice, quick payday, but they do nothing for your overall future. Not to mention, they're unethical and, of course, illegal.

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    Im not trying to push anyone towards it, but it is by no means a short term system. Setting up multiple accounts allows you to always have a few earning money when one is banned. A rotating cycle of accounts is fairly easy.

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    MAC Address of modem, PC, monitor, shit, probably even your mouse. Google has figured out how to detect all of this. The days of simply changing your IP are a distant oasis, buddy.
    Exactly !! Totaly agree with this

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    This coming from a member who joined in 2010, wow pathetic!

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    Browser fingerprinting, ip, computer, MAC, geo location, search history, activity after the click...

    Huh, I wonder if it's just easier to do keyword research, make a simple website with proper ad placement, and make everyone else do the f_cking clicks?

    NAW! I think this guy really has something here!

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    thats fraud + little money. get a real method

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    You'd be surprised how good their system is. You could use thousands of proxies and you'd still get caught if it notices too many of the same ip's.

    If you were going to do this you would have to do like one click per ip. and that's a lot of work if you ask me. not including the fact that it's hard as hell to find working proxies and all of them would have to be completely anonymous
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    This thread was doomed from the start.
    I'm surprised people are being so nice.
    I don't want to ruin the friendly mood.
    With my snide, amusing remarks.
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