It involves creating a network that doesn't associate your Xrumer links to the white hat site. Here's a super hi-tech illustration of what to do:



So send Xrumer links to parasite hosts, sites that aren't yours (to cloud the trail...), to blogs like blogger and wordpress, and your black hat sites that you expect to lose anyway.

Link those to another level of sites that we'll call "grey hat" but they should be primarily white hat looking sites that just serve as link juice to the main white hat site.

Basically, use Xrumer to give your existing links more juice, and don't link directly to your own sites.

So basically reg .infos get free hosting set up a doorway page on it have it redirect to another site which redirects to your whitehat site?

I have just ordered 100 000 backlinks to my whitehat site from Sharpro's service. I know there are many warnings against doing this, but my thinking was: if this can get you banned from goggle's serps, then it would be very easy to nuke the competition out of business wouldn't it? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by lukeevans

So basically reg .infos get free hosting set up a doorway page on it have it redirect to another site which redirects to your whitehat site?

Don't redirect, you want to build link juice to those last few sites. So you use the Xrumer spammy links to build up expendables, the expendables pass that link juice to the other sites, which should be safe, which link to yours. Pure linking, no redirects.

If you're using Xrumer for traffic, then that's another case. If you're using it for SEO, then do it like this and your white hat site is untouchable.

Originally Posted by battman323

Don't redirect, you want to build link juice to those last few sites. So you use the Xrumer spammy links to build up expendables, the expendables pass that link juice to the other sites, which should be safe, which link to yours. Pure linking, no redirects.

If you're using Xrumer for traffic, then that's another case. If you're using it for SEO, then do it like this and your white hat site is untouchable.

Use xrummer on say craplin*k.info then have it redirect to say decent site which links to your white hat site?

So I'm guessing you have to have a decent bit of $ to get this rolling? Or can you just use .info and free hosting which puts ads all over your sites, and it won't matter?

Do you make the lets say middle site related to the white hat site?

Also if using xrumer for traffic do you just cut out the middle site?

Sorry for the load of poorly typed questions I'm in a rush and I know xrumer is good but I'm pretty new to "grayhatting" techniques


I call myself a grayhatter as I have yet to make a site full out blackhat and make $100 in a week

Hopefully I'l get there lol

If you're using xrumer for traffic, then I'd send all the links to just one domain that redirects to whatever you're selling.

To use xrumer for rankings, you'll get the most benefit from using poor quality links like what Xrumer gets to build up several pages with a little link juice that all link to yours, giving it more authority.

If registering 5 domains to make grey hat sites is expensive for you, then you can keep using parasite hosting like freewebs or stuff like that. You'll get more benefit from building up sites you own though.

Oh I thought we where talking about a few hundred bad domains

But I thought it had to go like bh domain redirects to gh domain redirects to wh website?

Wouldn't that require more than 5?

Stop saying redirect without telling us what your objective is!


What he's saying for rankings/backlinks is;

1. (Xrumer links on - forums, blogs etc)

Point to;

2. (your own gh sites - free sites, blogs, self-made etc)

Point to;

3. Your 'WH' Site



What he's saying for traffic is;

1. (Xrumer links on - forums, blogs etc)

Point to;

2. (single switch-over site)

Redirects to;

3. Your sales page/site

100, 000 Links? You own nike or you are a tv station? There will be nothing natural about 100,000 links for 99.9999999% of websites inside of like ten years so of course expect a penalty as quick as you can build them.

As for that penalty, in most cases if foul play isnt obvious then it would be an immediate dropping of any link juice from any of those links as oppose to a site being dropped from the index altogether. So innocent whitehat sites wouldnt usually lose out no. If you are to be dropped from the index there would probably be clear footprints of foul play coming from the site in question.

I"m just testing out Xrumer and I say this.

You can either use it on a small scale to automate forum postings you would make manually and save yourself lots of time, use a sig to generate the link juice.

Or you can use it as an instant traffic surge, I can't imagine 100,000 links isn't going to get you a shit-ton traffic from just the sheer number alone, especially on forums where people are actively reading and clicking.

But I will know in a few days ;D

Very pleased to read the software can do its thing for WH sites also.
Is there any risk for the WH site, as in it suffering the "penalty" (dropping of rank or de-indexing, whatever)?

I understand that is why you would put up the other level sites in the first place, but just wondering if the penalty that those will probably suffer might follow to the WH site?

The WH site is my main bizz so I can't be experimenting to much there.

Thanks!

Great diagram and explanation. I've done something similar in the past.

I'm not sure what a parasite host is, although I've heard the term before. Care to clarify?

Parasite hosting is where you put your content on another site, essentially using a page on their site as your own. This allows you to benefit from the 'status' of that site. (Most then usually redirect the page to their sales link.)

You normally see it on the top spam phrases like 'buy vi*gra', 'buy ph*ntermine' etc.

e.g. for 'buy ph*ntermine' at the moment you get the following in 2nd;

Code:

http://news.meta.ua/redirect.php?url=88.80.7.248/sutra/in.cgi%3F3%26parameter=phentermine

this isn't the best example of parasiting, but you get the point.

edit: here's a better example, and it's on an edu;

Code:

http://centaur.acm.jhu.edu/newsite/images/.svn/props/.drugs/?q=buy-phentermine-levitra.htm

How do you go about doing that?

Originally Posted by ptsniper

Parasite hosting is where you put your content on another site, essentially using a page on their site as your own. This allows you to benefit from the 'status' of that site. (Most then usually redirect the page to their sales link.)

You normally see it on the top spam phrases like 'buy vi*gra', 'buy ph*ntermine' etc.

e.g. for 'buy ph*ntermine' at the moment you get the following in 2nd;

Code:

http://news.meta.ua/redirect.php?url=88.80.7.248/sutra/in.cgi%3F3%26parameter=phentermine

this isn't the best example of parasiting, but you get the point.

edit: here's a better example, and it's on an edu;

Code:

http://centaur.acm.jhu.edu/newsite/images/.svn/props/.drugs/?q=buy-phentermine-levitra.htm

Originally Posted by lukeevans

How do you go about doing that?

it all depends on the site you're trying to do it on. there is no one-for-all solution.

I actually own an rx cash site like above currently using the same template if that helps.

Originally Posted by ptsniper

Parasite hosting is where you put your content on another site, essentially using a page on their site as your own. This allows you to benefit from the 'status' of that site. (Most then usually redirect the page to their sales link.)

You normally see it on the top spam phrases like 'buy vi*gra', 'buy ph*ntermine' etc.

e.g. for 'buy ph*ntermine' at the moment you get the following in 2nd;

Code:

http://news.meta.ua/redirect.php?url=88.80.7.248/sutra/in.cgi%3F3%26parameter=phentermine

this isn't the best example of parasiting, but you get the point.

edit: here's a better example, and it's on an edu;

Code:

http://centaur.acm.jhu.edu/newsite/images/.svn/props/.drugs/?q=buy-phentermine-levitra.htm

Ah OK. I've actually seen that done on an edu before. So we just need to figure out how to find these pages. Got it.

what i mean is, it all depends on the site you're trying to parasite on - not the affiliate program. The exploits are different depending on the site.

Originally Posted by MontyzPython

we just need to figure out how to find these pages.

yep, you look for the exploit. easiest way is to see what's working currently.

oh ok

So in a way you get into the site, and set up a page on it? Is this hard to do?


Also is it kind of like the pbwiki exploit?

Originally Posted by lukeevans

Is this hard to do?

It's like that phrase; "If you have to ask..."



Anyway, I think we're deviating from battmans' original thread.

It's cool, the intention is to provoke a discussion on link building and parasite hosting is an important part.

Ok, so what you are saying is to never use xrumer directly to a WH site.

But what if you just work on building links more naturally like saying you xrumer just 1K backlinks directly to your WH, will it help or not?

Chicco

... what about using iframes or frames instead of redirecting. Is this going to be dangerous too?

Lol,guys,it's called link laundering,just google for explanations.
You need to use piramide like this
whitehat site
doorways
blogfarm
linkspam blogs.
Make sure that your doorways on the several good hostings or seohostings,because it'll be like ddos from the bots
If you are paranoic,create the mirror of whitehat site and redrect traffic to mirror, but link back from doorways to main site.

i thought using xrumer on a WH was like making apple juice from pears ...

Kudo's to you if you can do it and get away with it, but i wouldn't be able to pull it off in a million years!

im currently using xrumer for my WH site which I will be launching a product soon. The key getting an aged domain. Im using Xrumer to get links by ONLY registering and NOT spamming. Alot of forums alows website url to be displayed in profile and this is what you need.

I target phpbb forums first since most of them allows url on profile. Calculate the actual successful registration per 1000 successful you see on xrumer report. Its not accurate so better check it yourself. I even did this one by one just to calculate. Run xrumer slowly everyday. You can go faster if you know what your doing.

I then target SMF forums, you can use anchor txt(yes i was actually surprised) which will surely benefit your keyword rankings. The title of your message(set on project) becomes the anchor txt, so use the macro tool to rotate your anchor txt. This is my technique in gaining link using xrumer for a WH site. I still have other tip but ill share it after my coffee.

Someone should make a detailed ebook on this subject and how to get the best out of xrumer 5 alfa, it would be a good seller i for one would buy it, oviestly it must be written by a xrumer expert, Its not been done before that i know of or as it ?

Originally Posted by soccatv

Someone should make a detailed ebook on this subject and how to get the best out of xrumer 5 alfa, it would be a good seller i for one would buy it, oviestly it must be written by a xrumer expert, Its not been done before that i know of or as it ?

Good suggestion soccatv, I think a lot of us would pay for a guide like that. The information is almost priceless for someone who knows how to use v5a really well in the early stages.

Originally Posted by soccatv

Someone should make a detailed ebook on this subject and how to get the best out of xrumer 5 alfa,

Exactly. That's what I said in the Xrumer5 thread, someone should make a video tutorial (ebook etc) on using it. Even if they weren't selling it as a course, it'd make a great affiliate angle.

Originally Posted by ptsniper

Someones missing a trick here for either some affiliate commissions or a standalone product - a full indepth video review/tutorials to using xrumer.

Sorry to ask - but what do you have on a typical Grey Hat site, how do you build it.

Aka - do you have domain name for them (3-10$/year per site)
Do you need unique IP hostings for them (another 3-4/$ mo)
What content you put on them ?

Seems quite expensive even if you want only 10 links.

IF you are going to use your own blackhat sites and parasites, I highly suggest using different:

1. registrars
2. hosting
3. geographical locations
4. dns servers


As not to have any pattern or trace back to your target domain, I also highly suggest using different content management systems or blogs.

See this post for more info: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...on-theory.html

Originally Posted by battman323

It involves creating a network that doesn't associate your Xrumer links to the white hat site. Here's a super hi-tech illustration of what to do:



So send Xrumer links to parasite hosts, sites that aren't yours (to cloud the trail...), to blogs like blogger and wordpress, and your black hat sites that you expect to lose anyway.

Link those to another level of sites that we'll call "grey hat" but they should be primarily white hat looking sites that just serve as link juice to the main white hat site.

Basically, use Xrumer to give your existing links more juice, and don't link directly to your own sites.

Does this work on cracked Xrumer 4 also? Or do I need Xrumer 5?

Well said seomanifest.

The pattern for the link building is just that, a pattern with a little randomization built in.

But if you're in control, you should do exactly as he said. Vary the registrars, types of scripts run on your BH sites, and use several different hosting companies. With hosting as low as like $5 a month, you can have 20 different hosts for just $100 a month.

I thought parasite hosting was using blogger.com etc, not injecting links into an authority site. Isn't that XSS?

is there any xrumer 4 cracked ??

strange...

if there was a cracked version, it wouldn't get shared here. It's on the "do not share" list.

wouldnt it also have the reverse effect though

So when your BH and GH sites get banned your WH site will lose all link juice anyhow?

Can anyone prove they have a site banned from using xrummer? Or even know of a site that is with proof? Just curious because I have been using Xrummer on mine everyday for over 2 weeks posting around 200,000 posts everyday with it.

Im just gaining and gaining. Im lovin it lol!

maybe in a few weeks you will be back saying - omg why did i get banned from Google??? i was only spamming a million threads a month ....?

But i agree Xrumer is always something on my to buy list if it would help with building sites up! Although i like the idea of spamming blogs to filter link juice as i actually do that now with other spamming methods

Originally Posted by snowwhite

im currently using xrumer for my WH site which I will be launching a product soon. The key getting an aged domain. Im using Xrumer to get links by ONLY registering and NOT spamming. Alot of forums alows website url to be displayed in profile and this is what you need.

I target phpbb forums first since most of them allows url on profile. Calculate the actual successful registration per 1000 successful you see on xrumer report. Its not accurate so better check it yourself. I even did this one by one just to calculate. Run xrumer slowly everyday. You can go faster if you know what your doing.

I then target SMF forums, you can use anchor txt(yes i was actually surprised) which will surely benefit your keyword rankings. The title of your message(set on project) becomes the anchor txt, so use the macro tool to rotate your anchor txt. This is my technique in gaining link using xrumer for a WH site. I still have other tip but ill share it after my coffee.

Thanks for this. What is an affective way to target say, phpbb? I've got inurlhpbb in my additive words for hrefer, but I can't seem to find any other footprints. I especially can't seem to target SMF forums.

Originally Posted by busterhymen

Can anyone prove they have a site banned from using xrummer? Or even know of a site that is with proof? Just curious because I have been using Xrummer on mine everyday for over 2 weeks posting around 200,000 posts everyday with it.

Im just gaining and gaining. Im lovin it lol!

Banned yet ?

I had site banned using xrumer. I make 20 similar sites and spam them all at once. Big mistake.

Originally Posted by teguh123

I had site banned using xrumer. I make 20 similar sites and spam them all at once. Big mistake.

tht's funny to see person who is selling services dont know best way out.

I'd like to hire someone to do this type of xrummer SEO work for my websites. PM me if you can.