So i'm new to the world of SEO.

TheLinkJuicer seemed like a pretty good concept at first.

But now i'm not so sure.

Basic Concept



You pay a monthly fee to participate in a network of blogs.
When you sign up, you create a few dozen blogs.
Then, you write a post using spyntax.
This post is distributed to your blogs, AND the few dozen that other members have created.

Blog Relevancy

First thing that bugs me is there is no relevancy to any one given topic.
You are instructed to create blogs with general sounding names.
For example here is a list of five titles from one of my autoblogs.


Whats up today: The news and more

1. Best Surround System
2. Fix Credit Reports
3. Measuring ROI on Coaching
4. Travel Trailer For Sale
5. Creating a Perfect Garden Ornament

Now obviously google will never consider this blog niche worthy of anything. Therefor, when it does finally point to my DATING website, the link wont get nearly the same value it would if it was in a relevant blog - where each post is mostly about dating.

My Stats

When i first tried it, I didn't quite know how to use it. So I just threw up a paragraph - WITHOUT SPYNTAX and I went straight to the number 2 slot on Bing, and climbed a bit in Google and Yahoo, for my keyword.

Then, a week later, I was totally wiped from all of those search engines.

So obviously, because I used this service to paste the SAME paragraph again and again and again, the search engines murdered me.

Oops.

Bummer.

I should have been paying more attention.

Conclusion

I'm not sure if i should keep it or not. I think the idea is clever enough to work. But the strategies must be employed correctly to avoid disaster.

Possibly, this service should be used to link to your 2nd tier of inbound websites - not your 1st tier money sites...?

Another question, one would think, this service would work best if you used an EXCEPTIONALLY LARGE spyntax article - one with a thousands derivatives.
And, maybe even, set your number of links per day down to 1.

Another question, you can't gaurantee that the OTHER posts on your blog (which come from OTHER USERS of TheLinkJuicer like you) are not going to APPEAR spammy. Hence, even if you write beautiful SPAM-PROOF Spyntax, most likely, your fellow members often won't. Hence, as soon as Google identifies a recurring paragraph as Spam text, and then they start to notice this paragraph appearing on blog after blog after blog, then wouldn't they simply assume that all of the blogs in TheLinkJuicer network are mere spam blogs -- and devalue the outbound links for ALL of the BLOGS???????

I would if i were google.

Any tips?

Thanks!

Isnt thelinkjuicer social bookmark network only?

Originally Posted by msimurin

Isnt thelinkjuicer social bookmark network only?

nah

its a network of blogs setup under a users name, and automatically filled wtih content

thanks, I've not heard of this before,going to sign up right now for a test campaign...

link juicer is awesome...

first of all OP mistake , it's state even on the faq's of the linkjuicer to use the damn spinner do you think was put there just to be something worthless like this thread ? ... hell no it's a serious very serious reason to have this spinner here indeed need to be used damn it . Second thing , I`ve used like beta tester the linkjuicer , my first campaign here was for an worthless domain with 3 articles copy/pasted from some plr sources got 3'th placement within 2 weeks for one of the keywords lol ... it's working like a charm if you have more than 2 cell brains alive and just setup your campaign correctly . Idea it's awesome , Peter the owner it's great guy .... if you are enough dumb to post same damn post over a network with few hundreds of blogs and bookmarks ... none fault actually you don't need that toy ... better buy some condoms prevent humanity to have more exceptional genies like ya .... I don't wanna be rude , and don't wanna make someone feeling bad but that's the truth guys ....

Things what newbies never understand , since reading loads of crap ebooks and other gibberish .... links are links , end of the story , no mater from where the heck you can get , you can get those links even from moon if you can , if you get links and have some content then you have a chance to fight for some keywords on serps , easy like hell to understand damn it . Other damn point ... you don't need those damn links to have them '' indexed '' , you need your pages to be indexed , links CAN'T be indexed , links are connections between two damn pages hence they can't be '' indexed ''.

What I can't understand ... how on the name of god do you can give a '' review '' about something what you clearly say '' I don't know a shiet about - but still here it's my review ... '' based on what ? jeez ... That toy come with enough and clearly f.a.q.'s and help section it's fair enough for everyone who bother to read it ... If you are wondering about the '' quality '' of the posts made with linkjuicer and what posts you will get from other peoples from the network think even one second what damages did you do with your one single version of post ...

dang thats one mad dude

lol

calm down - want me to start making fun of your english?

geesh

I admitted it was my fault and I'm asking for reviews and tips.

Their own strategy suggests that it should primarily be used to boost 2nd tier PR.

just looking for comments and resources

Meh its like a slow version of lfe..it posts spinned content to blogs like 7 a day when link farm evolution can do like 4000 in a day and they can be in a linkwheel...lfe is wayyy better

it needs an 'is indexed' script plus mass pinging. The posts i check are never indexed.

hmm

i'm not hearing many good things here.

Also, i've been reading that young blogs that are immediately filled with loads of outbound links (link LinkJuicer makes) are simply immediately sandboxed by google...

so i just cant see LinkJuicer being a good idea even in theory...?

Links are Links, no matter, where the hell, they come from. At the end of the day, Links trump all other seo tactics. A system designed to get you link wheels can be used to exploit search engine algo's. It's a good service, but something that i would rather do myself or get outsourced so that at the end of the day, I'm the owner of all that great web real estate A proper SEO'd linkwheel farm can bring you traffic for an eternity. An unproper seo'd linkwheel will bring you traffic for 2 min. And that's from spiders coming to your blog laughing then leaving.

Originally Posted by tony-raymondo

hmm

i'm not hearing many good things here.

Also, i've been reading that young blogs that are immediately filled with loads of outbound links (link LinkJuicer makes) are simply immediately sandboxed by google...

so i just cant see LinkJuicer being a good idea even in theory...?

Google doesn't sandbox web 2.0 sites, i.e Squidoo,Hubpages,etc. A Linkwheel which is made up of web 2.0 properties have links that rank well because of the platform their hosted at. Comprende? So the Big G can't do shit about LinkJuice links because their not coming from "LinkJuice.com" Per se but instead from a fleet of web 2.0 properties all designed to assume great organic listings off the top...

STOP being afraid of google! They are "sandboxing" your creative thought.

Originally Posted by cookiejar

A Linkwheel which is made up of web 2.0 properties have links that rank well because of the platform their hosted at. Comprende? So the Big G can't do shit about LinkJuice links because their not coming from "LinkJuice.com" Per se but instead from a fleet of web 2.0 properties

Thats the problem

TheLinkJuicer isnt using' traditionally considered web 2.0 properties" like Squidoo lenses and what not.

Rather, it seems to be using a great butt load of random Wordpress Mu blogs...

Here is there list:

A1webmarks
Ask @
Blinklist
Linkagogo
Livejournal
Memfrag
Spotback
Vox @
blogwogin.com
delicious.com
doodleo.com
freeblogpostings.com
hellodaddio.com
jacuna.org
juridicum.net
luxella.com
orderhouseplans.com
pkb-uster.ch
portalios.com
vevuzo.com
wantstoblog.com
whenlawscollide.com
zizini.org

So this is what Google sees:

• Google sees a new wordpress subdomain is created, for example heres one generated from TheLinkJuicer two weeks ago (http://tmanran123.blogwogin.com/)
• Then, google sees hoardes of posts pop up - none of which is in any sort of niche at all - the posts might be about auto repair or atheism.
• Then, google sees that ALL of these posts contain outbound links.
• Many of these outbound links were created by people like me (who just mistakenly linked them to monetized sites, and who didnt even bother with unique content)
• And, additionally, you can set the number of posts per day to 10. (something a lot of newbies would do)

All of these above features SCREAM google sandbox.

or what am i missing?

This is what Grizz says for example (who, by the way, holds the number 1 slot for the term Make Money Online - makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com/ - not the easiest thing to pull off)


"Just like monetization, if you start a new blog and pack a bunch of links on it to other sites you will get sandboxed. Think about this - why would you put links on a new site? You want to send backlinks to other sites and usually to your own. This is why spammers create thousands of sites - they use them to send links (keyword authority - not PR) to their anchor sites or money sites. The moment you add links to a brand new blog you are seen as a likely spam site - don't do it. Wait until you can monetize the site."

and this is EXACTLY what TheLinkJuicer is doing every single time someone joins...

Originally Posted by tony-raymondo

dang thats one mad dude

lol

calm down - want me to start making fun of your english?

geesh

I admitted it was my fault and I'm asking for reviews and tips.

Their own strategy suggests that it should primarily be used to boost 2nd tier PR.

just looking for comments and resources

no need making fun man , look at easy way lol :

When you create your campaign use any content spinner and create an really good spinable text , then one important thing use multiple keywords you will see here at the keywords tabs you have some formats . Long before when Peter (* the owner of linkjuicer didn't release for public yet ) I give him a very nice db with synonymous unfortunately I see he didn't implement yet this feature here , I know ... it's hard to implement it but will be far away easy than asking peoples to make spin-able versions better to spin them automatically , that was my argument when I asked him about this feature ...

You don't need pr links to boost your serp ranks , you just need loads of links what can't be traced like being made part of any pattern ... Also , when you create your set of blogs / bookmarks account , try and personalize them a little , change the default categories , themes , make the names how generic you can ... stuff like this ... in this way such a scheme like pic what you posted on first post will be possible . Please understand ... google robots don't know what are the '' niches '' ... they know how to phrase links that's the key ...

One other thing what you need to consider to not stop at linkjuicer in therms of considering '' that's all '' now I sit and watch millions rolling on , when you have few bucks for spare go to service section and hire one of the folks who are selling some xrumer blasts if you don't have your copy , consider also few manual bookmarks , some directory submits ... everything & anything what can bring you a link ... much are better ! even if some girls claiming other things always size matter !

I still dont understand though

The pounding drum of all the gurus is surmised in this paragraph:

"Just like monetization, if you start a new blog and pack a bunch of links on it to other sites you will get sandboxed. Think about this - why would you put links on a new site? You want to send backlinks to other sites and usually to your own. This is why spammers create thousands of sites - they use them to send links (keyword authority - not PR) to their anchor sites or money sites. The moment you add links to a brand new blog you are seen as a likely spam site - don't do it. Wait until you can monetize the site."

And thats exactly what TheLinkJuicer does. It LOADS thousands of blogs without outbound spammy links.

Are you saying that outbound links from a sandboxed blog (that has every indication of being loaded with spam), STILL have some value?

well ... you know they are spammy , I know maybe they are spammy ... BUT robot's can't know that . In fact one site can be up since years and still not crawled just because the robots didn't find it , that's the way how robots find sites following links ... Age and the links from different and for different sites is not relevant , in fact the robot can't see the date when a site / blog born ...

The sandbox effect it's just a normal protection to prevent spam , in fact again was proved before if you will keep building links and content the sandbox effect will be raised

The linkjuicer system it's preventing from start to bomb links on different places it's auto limiting that . In terms of value ... of course such links will not have same value like very nice edu or gov site or wikipedia ... but it's still a link , remember .. important are the links no matter from where you can get them , important it's to get them , all other things are just details . One more thing to add here , sandbox effect it's dynamically assigned , to new and old domains / sites , it's an complex algorithm what determine that effect to come in charge and we can't make nothing to avoid it , only important thing is to avoid to get banned from serps / deindexed , that's bad , but if you get sandboxed just smile and slap harder more links some more content .

The problem isn´t that you got sandboxed, the damn backlinks are set but Google "refuses" to find them. I put some effort in and linked to some of these backlinks from a Bloggers blog. Hurray, these links were found very soon. But should I have all the work to take Google by the hand and show it all these backlinks after using a paid backlink building service. Forget it is all I can say. Unfortunately I used a lot of these automatic softwares and services and none of them worked (I didn´t try SEnuke, I was really pissed with this web2 shit).
Anyway, I wish you luck

Originally Posted by keinehabe

well ... you know they are spammy , I know maybe they are spammy ... BUT robot's can't know that

The robots know a NEW blog has hundreds of oubound links to websites that are NOT in any apparent Niche and the robots know that many of the websites receiving these links are YOUNG and MONETIZED.

Originally Posted by keinehabe

Age and the links from different and for different sites is not relevant

sure it is
new sites often get sandboxed.
for old sites, there is a decreased probability

Originally Posted by keinehabe

, in fact the robot can't see the date when a site / blog born ...

The robots see the day you appeared in Google. - close enough.

Originally Posted by keinehabe

remember .. important are the links no matter from where you can get them

are you saying links from sites that are

NEW
SANDBOXED
NOT RELEVANT
DO NOT COMPRISE A RELATED NICHE

have any value?

Originally Posted by keinehabe

but if you get sandboxed just smile and slap harder more links some more content .

does this work????

Totally agree with myhatturnedblack, linkjuicer is a total piece of crap. YOu end up getting a bunch of crap backlinks that aren't even indexed.

Waste of time and money, only clueless newbies think it is good

the more days pass by the harder is to do seo, matt cutts is probably laughing with one of his viagra sites being #1 on serps and killing competition

Originally Posted by myhatturnedblack

b.s. i got a brand new site to a pr3 with 2 yes two backlinks in a month

yes quite possible to do

especially with simply article marketing on the biggies

but thats the point, TheLinkJuicer doesnt do this. It just makes bullshit young blog after bullshit young blog

i think i'm gonna cancel

any more opinions??

anyone had any success with it? lol

lookin like it would have been a great program in the days before the sandbox

but not now...

OP: I see you requested some tips. All the tips you need are on the site:
- Create more campaigns to Web 2.0 properties that point to your site than directly at your site as this will give you better results
- run a moderate number of links per day per campaign, 3-10
- make sure your uniqueness score meets the targets - very important
- don't spread yourself too thin over 30 or 40 campaigns, this never works

There are users who have success and there are users who don't. It's the same Link Juicer in both cases. The difference is in the strategy, the choice of keywords etc.

Unfortunately very few people with issues avail themselves of technical support. Most would prefer to air their frustrations on public forums. When I ask them to contact me via tech support so I can look at their campaigns to see if anything can be improved they usually go silent.

The Link Juicer is a way of getting automated social media links. It creates lots of them, in a layered network, and does it progressively. It is not a complete SEO strategy in and of itself nor does it claim to be. If your SEO strategy calls for this type of link network, then it does a lot of slog work for you on autopilot.

Some of the points raised on this thread are valid. Others are not.
- WPMU blogs get indexed quickly and sometimes rank quite well. Several users asked if they could include their WPMU blogs in the network, so we added them. This increased IP diversity among other things. We need more IP diversity and we will continue to increase the number of sites we post to, both established sites and new ones.
- The most common irrelevant critique is that many links don't show up in a backlink search. This is a red herring. Of course if you are an SEO and you need to show your clients all the backlinks being built in a backlink checker I fully understand. However there are pages ranking on page 1 of Google on the strength of these "unindexed" backlinks. Page one, with zero backlinks according to Google. Go figure.

If the Link Juicer works for you, great. If it doesn't, the trial was free so move on. I fail to see how something can be a scam or a ripoff if it is free. No one is obliged to continue the second month. If they do, it is their decision.

There are many users right here on this forum who continue to use TLJ and are happy with the results. You may find some interesting comments on this thread:
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...backlinks.html

I urge you to try for one month at no cost, and contact support by mid-month if you can't see any movement at all.

However there are pages ranking on page 1 of Google on the strength of these "unindexed" backlinks. Page one, with zero backlinks according to Google. Go figure.

Wow, what a bunch of BS.
Easy to post all sort of ridiculous claims... how about showing us one of these magical sites that rank without backlinks?
And if you do manage to pull one out your magic hat, hope it is for some keyword that is worth it. No use on ranking #1 for something like "clean blue bananas"

Originally Posted by rockinrobin

- don't spread yourself too thin over 30 or 40 campaigns, this never works

Can you talk more about this sentence.

Originally Posted by rockinrobin

Unfortunately very few people with issues avail themselves of technical support.

do you work for linkjuicer?

Originally Posted by rockinrobin

- The most common irrelevant critique is that many links don't show up in a backlink search.

Yes i'm familiar with the unpredictability of backlink stats so this doesnt concern me.

Originally Posted by rockinrobin

I fail to see how something can be a scam or a ripoff if it is free.

I don't think its a scam.

It did exactly what it claimed to do in my opinion.

But in the age of the sandbox, I just have trouble seeing how it works.

Again: this is what Google sees when I enroll:

• Google sees a new wordpress subdomain is created.
  
• Then, google sees hoardes of posts pop up - none of which is in any sort of niche at all - the posts might be about auto repair or atheism.
  
• Then, google sees that ALL of these posts contain outbound links. Many of these outbound links were created by people like me (who just mistakenly linked them to monetized sites, and who didnt even bother with unique content) And, additionally, you can set the number of posts per day to 10. (something a lot of newbies would do)

All of these above features SCREAM google sandbox for the WP blog.

or what am i missing?

This is what Grizz says for example (who, by the way, holds the number 1 slot for the term Make Money Online - makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com/ - not the easiest thing to pull off)


"Just like monetization, if you start a new blog and pack a bunch of links on it to other sites you will get sandboxed. Think about this - why would you put links on a new site? You want to send backlinks to other sites and usually to your own. This is why spammers create thousands of sites - they use them to send links (keyword authority - not PR) to their anchor sites or money sites. The moment you add links to a brand new blog you are seen as a likely spam site - don't do it. Wait until you can monetize the site."

So my final question is, if TheLinkJuicer just creates hoardes of blogs that are:

• NEW
• SANDBOXED
• NOT RELEVANT TO MY SITE
• AND DO NOT COMPRISE A RELATED NICHE

Then no matter what, why would any of these oubound links from the LinkJuicer created sites, have any value?

I have used TheLinkJuicer for a few weeks and I am impressed. From my SEO experience it is a good way to get diversified links over a wide range of sites. The original question was that if you wanted links to Dating site - surely it would be better from a specialist dating site blog. Thats true - but how many of those are there? A true specialist dating site blog should have links to dating sites all over the internet, so the best you would get is one or two links.

However if you get links from blogs all over the net it looks natural, they might not be specialist sites - but they are sites with lots of topics and outgoing links to lots of different sites - like a "natural" blog

There are issues:

They don't get indexed
They are not aged
Have high percentage of out links

I just one to say something, DO NO underestimate the robots. There are not simple robots if you know there are something that is called "Algorithms" which can easily find the spammers I will recommend to search on google about "search engine algorithm" or "systematic algorithm" you will be surprised. Yes, Google can know if your site is spamming or not.

I used also thelinkjuicer, and I don´t see any benefit till now. But you know why? Because I did not created a "quality" campaign. What a quality campaign means? You can read the FAQ of the website. When I have time I will create many campaigns following what I called "Quality" if I create those campaigns and will not work I can say that linkjuicer is not worth.

Originally Posted by googlemonster

There are issues:

They don't get indexed
They are not aged
Have high percentage of out links

YES

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS MY QUESTION

How can a service that creates blogs that are

• NEW
• SANDBOXED (because of a horrid amount out bound links)
• NOT RELEVANT TO MY SITE
• AND DO NOT COMPRISE A RELATED NICHE

actually produce links worth paying a service for ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I mean, I might as well join a link network and pay them.....

I'm not trying to be mean, i'm just trying to learn.

If anyone has any wisdom please contribute.

cheers.

OP raises some valid points and i am gonna join and wait for official thelinkjuice response.

Rockinrobin i assume you are that person, and i find your claim about no backlinks indexed wrong and actually very wrong.

Seriously, i doubt there is anyone who believes a site with no backlinks in google can rank top, we know google is secretive on backlinks but we are talking about yahoo here who is not.

Where are yahoo backlinks then? Missing as well. You cant just say "it will still rank good on google" and denie this facts...

My question to you is how come you guys never implemented a simple pinger?

Originally Posted by msimurin

Seriously, i doubt there is anyone who believes a site with no backlinks in google can rank top

its not that the links dont appear in Google Webmaster Tools or Yahoo Site Explorer that bugs me.

These tools only give you half the story anyway.

Rather, its the fact that all it does is generate blogs that are:

NEW
SANDBOXED
NOT RELEVANT TO MY SITE
AND DO NOT COMPRISE A RELATED NICHE

One might argue that, as the LinkJuicer network of blogs gets more mature, the oubound links will have more value.

In which case, one would be wise to join later rather than sooner.

Because, as I understand it, there is no "first come first serve" policy when it comes to determining WHICH BLOGS your particular post will end up on.

Hence, someone who joins in 2010, has just as much a chance of getting their post on some matured PR3 autoblog, as someone who joined in 2009...

Originally Posted by tony-raymondo

its not that the links dont appear in Google Webmaster Tools or Yahoo Site Explorer that bugs me.

These tools only give you half the story anyway.

Rather, its the fact that all it does is generate blogs that are:

NEW
SANDBOXED
NOT RELEVANT TO MY SITE
AND DO NOT COMPRISE A RELATED NICHE

One might argue that, as the LinkJuicer network of blogs gets more mature, the oubound links will have more value.

In which case, one would be wise to join later rather than sooner.

Because, as I understand it, there is no "first come first serve" policy when it comes to determining WHICH BLOGS your particular post will end up on.

Hence, someone who joins in 2010, has just as much a chance of getting their post on some matured PR3 autoblog, as someone who joined in 2009...

There is no way you could make network like this that links with relevant content blogs, there should be million of users or more for that. But you are right, new blogs with outbound links with no relevancy will fuck you up, this service should just be used as social bookmarking network with lowered price.

hmm

it might be nice if at least the service strived for some degree of nichiness

but i dunno

the sandbox thing bothers me the most

I tried the TRIAL service for a full month then I cancelled.

The plan is to see how it goes after 3 months, and IF something turns good, then I would go for full membership.

After 3 months, nothing happened. Not going for the full member is the best choice for me... )
Post on forums works better.

I've been a member for 2 months and I'm not impressed. I think I'm going to pull the plug soon.

hmmmmmmmmmm

I checked and some blogs are indexed.

I can now confirm that after only two weeks one ( correction - now three) of those "sandboxed" blogs has directed traffic to my ecommerce site and resulted in sales!. I never expected such a result - I was only after links, I never expected traffic.

Originally Posted by lochnesswell

I can now confirm that after only two weeks one ( correction - now three) of those "sandboxed" blogs has directed traffic to my ecommerce site and resulted in sales!. I never expected such a result - I was only after links, I never expected traffic.

did you actuallly point the blogs directly to your dot com?

probably a mistake

see what happens in 40 days from now

I get TLJ blogs and bookmarking accounts appearing in my Google Webmaster Tool links analysis all the time, and they stay there too. The sites get indexed as well.

I made a WPMU domain JUST for TLJ and it has over 7000 pages indexed...I think google found the site alright. I did a Yahoo BL query on the domain and it has 351 links to it.

I've been using it for almost three months, and it gets mixed results. I have 42 of the 50 allowed campaigns running. Some of the ones that have been running for 2 months+ are showing a few links in Yahoo Site explorer. Of the isolated testing I did on a few sites (meaning the ONLY link building was TLJ) there was some SERP increase, but very little.

In the end it does what it's supposed to do, I just think I can better use that $47/mo with other tools

so far i using two months. i guess it is very good for new domains
just for the first few months to grow slow
before you for other program

i hate creating campaigns, also it should ping