Yea as long as you're getting a steady flow of articles in, you should see those numbers easily. That's the hardest part of this method is weeding out the good writers from bad. It took me awhile to get 4 really good writers at $1 per. But once that part is over, you get into a nice routine and see the $$ coming into your PP everyday.

As far as categories, you can never go wrong with computer/tech reviews, health and fitness how to's, parenting how to's etc. As long as it isn't a broad subject thats been covered to death, When I would scrape online content to have rewritten I was really particular about what I chose..if it didn't have something that was unique about it, I wouldn't grab it to send to my writers. But sometimes I would throw my own spin into an article to make it unique before sending it off for rewriting. If I could do this quickly and easily by adding a few sentences to each paragraph then I'd do that also.

Good luck

The OP actually already answered this question earlier in the thread. You don't get paid the money all at once, therefore you can make accounts disposable.

This topic has been really informative. Thanks.

Well, AC sucks :/ and I ended up with a non us phone verified ac... i need a pva to apply this method.. but I took the outsourcing the idea and applied it to another method Should make like $120 in profit with 20 articles.

Cool glad it's been helpful



Glad the outsourcing ideas helped Tcm.

How's everyone doing with the method? Have you been able to scale it up and see some good profits coming in?

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First off, many thanks to RedTide for this awesome thread and ongoing help.

For the past week i've been experimenting with AC.
I thought I would start by submitting the articles myself so I can learn exactly what works to maximise profit when I eventually outsource.
Im from the UK so I have created 10 accounts from behind seperate public proxies using the bueno method to verify, just incase that method stops working so I dont run out og accounts anytime soon. Linked 4 paypal emails to 4 of the accounts that I am now using.

So I've written and submitted 10 articles per day for the last week. It's been quite interesting, great to see some money coming in. I have had quite a few little problems, reviews in particular not getting accepted. Broad news items seem to not get accepted as well, even if I get onto them quickly.

I have had more luck with much tighter niche news. The guaranteed $4 is great.

I do have a couple of questions.

I have been following all your advice, writing the articles myself, good keyword densities, very good seo titles, linking the main keywords to the top ranking website for that search term. I'm wondering a little what i'm doing wrong as I seem to be getting around $2.50-$3.50 (unless its news) It doesnt sound bad but the amount of time im putting into each article, with the research, seo, adding links etc. It adds up

Just wondering how I can ever make this cost-effective enough to outsource.
Takes longer than I thought per article. Perhaps some tips to speed up the whole process? I can type fast so thats not a problem. its just getting the high-quality articles quickly.

Hi Akromae,

You're welcome, I'm glad it's been helpful. Actually if you're already getting in the neighborhood of $3.50 per article you're definitaly doing something right. When most first start with AC the numbers per piece are usually lower than that. Stick with it because as you've been with AC longer they will start to offer you more per article. It took me over a month to consistently get more than $4.00 per. (they definetely play favorites to people that have been there for awhile and giving them quality content)

See the key to this IS the outsourcing, to make it time effective you have to free yourself up from the actual writing as much as possible.

I'm just putting the finishing touches on an indepth tutorial ebook for this method that I'll make available here at BHW for a VERY minimal price. (probably $7) It will have full reseller rights and goes alot more indepth into
how to scale the method up successfully. I'm going to offer it here at BHW first before marketing it elsewhere.

It's basically a more indepth version of the tips and information I've provided in this thread with some twists I haven't openly discussed here yet. I'll keep you guys posted on when it's ready for release.

Good luck,

Redtide

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Hi Redtide,

Thats good to know that the numbers im getting now arent actually quite as bad as I had thought. They are new accounts and the editors do seem to be very "twitchy"

A whole batch of news articles now have just been sent back to me saying that they now "dont accept articles based on press releases and statements". Doesn't that account for quite a big proportion of all news? Yet they accepted some. Do they seriously expect you to write an in-depth first account of some news for just $4? lol.

Im beginning to think if you stick to one specific thing and they see you doing it a lot, well, they will try anything to stop paying you for it. I seem to get penalised for something new every day.

The ebook sounds great, count me in for a copy already.
If you need anyone for testimonials or as an example story I am determined to make this work over the coming weeks and would be very happy to provide.

Cheers

Yea they seem to be pretty unpredictable with the news pieces. One thing I've found works is doing local news stories they'd have a hard time tracing the roots of. If you "report" on a news story adding 3-4 quotes from people you "interviewed" whether it's a real news story or not they accept them (of course this may differ for some based upon how long you've been with them and what kind of relationship you've built up with the reviewers)

What I do is contact Tim the main news editor and ask if they are interested in the piece, that way you know upfront whether you'll have a hard time getting it accepted. Make sure you cite your sources.. ie make them up. I made a killing during the whole swine flu scare this way.

One thing to keep in mind also is it's best to wait until you've been with them for awhile before blasting them with too many news pieces. Their best editors (ie pickiest) are in the news category, so try to avoid getting "slapped on the wrist" too often in the beginning.

Are you spreading your news pieces over all 4 accts?

While my accounts have stayed active using the all AC accts linked to separate PP emails method, it is risky. From people I've talked to it's especially risky if you're new with AC and drawing any attention to yourself with declined articles etc. Just a word of caution for anyone using this method.

Thanks for the interest in my book Akromae, I'm wanting it to be as informative and indepth as possible so I'll keep you posted about it's release.

Best of luck

Redtide

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hey was up im new at blackhat i was just wondering if anyone mind showing me how to make money just by rewriting articles if you guys could just IM me at AIM or recommend any internet connection tool heres my s/n : hialeahpimp799

I had been spreading my news out, but I had been doing so many news pieces perhaps thats where I was going wrong. Make up news reporting is an interesting idea, i'm not sure how quickly I could write it though. Think I will avoid news for now because of the declined articles.

The main thing I like writing about news is that its searched a lot and if you find something in a tight enough niche you can get a pretty decent number of page views. A few of my news articles have had 2-300 views over the past week. Every little helps.

Just curious, how do you get in touch with the editors? Haven't seen that mentioned anywhere yet.

Logged into one of my accounts to see 15 offers all over $3's for some articles. Makes me smile! lol. They also accidentally offered me $52 for one article however I wasnt online to capitalise on it lol, they apologised and changed it to $3.52. Nevermind.

One interesting thing that I did was take a white-paper that I wrote on a few SEO techniques a year ago. It covered 3 techniques, so I took these 3 techniques and then split each of those up into a further 3 articles, parts 1,2,3 explaining how to research and implement them. They gave me $3.50 for each section, $31.50 in total.

Yea it probably is better to lay low with the news pieces for a bit just to play it safe.
Tim their head news reviewer had emailed me about the resources on one of my Reuters pieces, so I used the oppurtunity to contact him about other news pieces before writing them.

Congrts! That's a killer feeling seeing nice chunks of money rolling into your PP acct I know. Like I said you're definitely on the right track getting such consistant pay per article. It would have been sweet if you could have capitalized on their $52 mistake lol.

That's a great idea with splitting up the SEO articles, keep it up man!

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I started my first article yesterday and being a newbie as a writer is a bit hard.Thanks for sharing your inspiring earning in articles.

can you build backlinks also by submitting to ac?

Cheers Ridetide,

I've put the article writing on hold for the last couple of days and been on an all out assault on trying to find other people to write them for me.
GOD is it a challenge. Certainly had a lot of people offering to rewrite them for cheap but barely any of them can write at all.
Still, I have about 4 good leads who are all in the process of rewriting a test article to see how they get on. I'm not holding my breath though.

How long did it take you to find them?
Any secret places to look for rewriters?
And hows the ebook coming along?

Cheers

That's awesome Akromae, I'm glad you're diving into it and excited to see how you progress. Like I said, the initial hiring takes time and patience for sure. but you'll end up tucking away good rewriters one by one, getting them started as you weed through the crappy ones. Remember to let them go quickly after having them do the first couple articles if they just aren't cutting it. I hope one of the leads you've got pays off.

Running two ads at a time it took me a few days to find the first really good one, and a month total do end up with a team of 4 that busted out 10 each per day. At one point I had 7 writers which is just too much to manage in a 24 hr day. But once you get them trained it's just a matter of scraping, sending, editing, submitting. You get into a nice routine while they do all the writing.

The books coming along great, worked on it all day today. Thanks btw for offering the testimonial. I hadn't had a chance to thank you on that. Ya it's got 18 chapters covering pretty much every aspect of making money from (ie taking advantage of) AC. It's gonna be newb friendly but also have plenty of tips and tricks for people already working the method. I'm anxious to get the damn thing done lol. It should be ready in the next week.

Let me know how it goes, i'll try to help if you run into any roadblocks or anything.

Cheers

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Had a few more replies today which is good news, from people who actually sound/type English. Still waiting back on a lot of test articles, would think they get them done today as it is only Monday.

Note to self - DP is the WORST place imaginable for finding people lol. Complete waste of time. Lots of replies but complete junk.

When you say running two ad's at a time do you run two ad's on the same website with just altered ad copy? Might be worth a try.

I'm hoping to get at least a few guys on board over the coming week.

Seven writers must of been difficult. I suppose once you get up to four you could start considering hiring someone to manage the four article writers and get them to forward you the finished ZIP at the end of each day. Thats only going to be profitable though if you have another team.

The possibilities are endless!
No problems about the testimonial at all. Glad I can be of some use. Hopefully I will be able to give you a really decent success story in the coming weeks as well (Fingers crossed). I will of course be first in line to buy it.

Glad to hear the eBook is coming along well. I feel like i'm progressing but I bet theres a trick and a half in there that will really get things moving. 18 chapters, jesus, how many pages is that?

Recently I have been having some decent luck with those news articles I submitted last week. Over the weekend the traffic they got was really decent. Well a hundred or so per article, but over time that will really add up. The only worry is I know that that (some what limited) constant stream of income is annoyingly limited to the lifetime of the account which with 200 articles/week wont be long.

Maybe instead of running accounts til they are bust its better to half empty them and leave the rest for that trickle of performance payments. Over the course of years and a decent number of accounts I bet it adds up.

I think im also going to consider purchasing a few US private proxies and maybe even paypal accounts to make things a bit more legit.

Keep up the good work,

Ya DP is a waste of time for this. I like to stick with GAF, but pretty much anywhere you go you're going to have to weed through the crappy bidders.

I will place two ads at GAF on two separate accts and have a slightly reworded ad on each. I probably shouldn't give this out since it's in the book but what I do is obviously not choose a winner on each ad, then if I still haven't found at least a couple of really good writers I'll email GAF support and ask them to re-bump my ad listing. As you've probably seen you get less bidders the longer your ad has been up because it drops down the list everyday.

So I tell GAF that I still haven't been able to find a qualified writer (even if I have) and they'll re-bump it back up to the top. All of a sudden you're getting tons of bids again.

Works like a charm

If you're using GAF are you placing your ads in 5 or 6 categories each? It helps alot with exposure. Basically it's just a numbers game, you have to weed through the crap before you get to the gems.

Glad to hear about the news pieces doing well, if you are just using throw away accts I wouldn't worry too much about the views themselves.

Great idea with the leaving the accounts though, lifetime residual can pay off nicely.

Ya the book is 17 chapters at this point but no fluff, here's a list of the table of contents so you can see what it contains. I am going to have to charge more than I initially expected, just because I have so much time involved in writing it. But I am going to keep it as low as possible.

Continue to keep me posted on your progress if you would


1) A Brief introduction to Associated Content and the method

2) A no fluff or bullshit approach to making REAL money online

3) Necessary tools and Services

4) Giving A.C. JUST what they are wanting

5) Getting to know the basics of SEO

6) An introduction to Outsourcing

7) Hiring quality writers/rewriters at $1 per article

8) Training your writers to produce QUALITY content

9) Account management and "foreign relations"

10) Secrets to getting maximum $$ for upfront pay

11) Boosting Performance Payments (PPV) with proper linking

12) Promotion tactics for long term PPV income

13) Using "Partner Calls" to pocket an extra $60-80 a day

14) Speeding up the submission process and article formatting

15) Putting a "twist" on rejected articles

16) Other methods of making $$ with A.C.

17) Giving A.C. love and avoiding the ban-hammer

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Im liking the sound of that. You've definately got all the bases covered.
Haha not too much more I hope :P

Yeah I have been listing the jobs in as many categories as possible.

Well, after going through all the applicants I now have 3 article rewriters lined up who I am pleasently surprised about with a couple more waiting in the wings.

Sending the first batches of articles out today which is exciting. Just going to have to get quick at my end of the bargain now. Researching, scraping, archiving and sending them on. I could probably do with finding a better article source as well but for the time being using various article directories will do.

I will let you know how it goes

Cheers

You're on your way man, so glad to hear it

Have you been offered any partner calls?

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Nope nothing like that yet. I have done a few pieces from the Assignment desk but it didnt really work out time-effective. perhaps when they are a bit higher paid they will do. I havent set up the "interests" on the accounts either so that could be having an affect on the work I am offered.

I did notice a couple of accounts have had their level upgraded to 2 which I presume means a step in the right direction of more consistent payments.

Im just sat waiting now on my first 3 proper writers, sent them all the work at 3am this morning when I couldnt get to sleep. Only took me about an hour to scrape all 30 articles as well which was surprising.

What I found takes time previously was the actual submissions of each individual piece.

Is associated Content only for people from the US?

I'm from the UK.

I usually check for the partner calls at least 5 times a day as they won't last long once they're listed. The money is so much better it's worth checking throughout the day. I agree, I don't mess around with the regular assignments, some of the offers they throw out there are laughable.

I noticed with the clout level that the upfront offers got bumped up once I reached 5-6. I'm at 8 now and had my first offer breaking the $5 dollar mark this morning. They offered $5.11 for a How-to on first aid for a gunshot wound.

Great job with the scraping time frame!

One thing people don't realize with A.C. is it does take work, it's not like they throw money in peoples PP accts for nothing. You're well on your way compared to most Akromae, many people once they dive into it are like "man this is like work" which I find pretty funny because no form of making money is just handed to you on a plate...it takes effort.

You're going into it with a solid work etthic I can tell. Keep it up because like I said if you're already getting in the $3.50 range it will only get higher as long as you keep your content consistent.

You'll be golden once your clout comes up and they start offering the $10-$20 partner calls.

Had a minor setback with the book this morning, (actually a "wanted to smash my head into a wall" major setback) I spent 14 hours completing three of the most important chapters and for some reason that I still can't figure out, Word 07" didn't save it...14 hrs for nothing. Was so freakin
pissed.

Anyway, keep it up mate



Ya you can still use AC but just need to get/buy a phone verified account and then sign up at AC as a US citizen even if you aren't. When they ask you for a W9 just abandon the account and start a new one.

Good luck

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You can both talked about this matter to settle things.The payment on every article depends on the number of article and how long it is,the number of words to be on the article.

Actually, I've got a friend that's an editor at A.C. (which is where I get much of my info about AC) The length of the articles has nothing to do with how much they offer you for upfront pay. I've got a full "insiders guide" being released soon that explains exactly what AC wants and looks for for high upfront payments.

It will offer a powerful insight into how AC really works

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What do you mean by a phone verified account? Is this paypal account or AC account?

What do non US use for zip code? Just look up a random one?

Yes Animal,

The PVA'S are AC phone verified accounts.

For the zips just do a search online for a US zip code.

Hope that clarified

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hi redtide,
i am planning to open 5 to 6 associated content accounts with different paypal addresses. is it okay i will use five or six random first names and same last names for acccounts? as i want to attach them to my bank account and in paypal we can change the first name but not the last name.
doesnt it looks suspicious to associated content with accounts having same last names but different first name but created from different ip addresses?

Okay, so I really feel like a dummy right now. I read this 2 days ago, and I can't believe I didn't see my answer staring my dead in the face! That fact that you submit 40 articles per day...That's what I have been looking for! Maybe I missed that because it was late at night.

I'm going to go smoke a cig, and come back and read the rest of the thread. I'm not extremely knowledgeable about SEO, but I am a darn good writer, so I would rather do the re-writes myself for now, as I don't even know how I would "train" someone else to write for me.

Thanks, Redtide. And thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

Hi Romil,

It does look suspicious for sure, but the whole point is laying low at AC and not giving them a reason to look into your account. As of now anyway, they don't check it randomly or have software for auto checking. A lot of times what happens is that people will get some articles rejected or cite some bad sources doing partner calls and Ac will look into the account. You have to have given them a reason to dig deeper. I personally feel this is safer to be dealing with AC bans than dealing with Paypal bans or accounts getting frozen by using multiple PP's. If AC bans you, no biggy start another account. When you've got this scaled up you're creating new accounts a lot anyway.

lol if they did look into it with all different first names and common last names...just tell them you've got a big extended family.


Good luck mate



No problem mochasis,

Hey pass the lighter man would ya? I need a smoke too

Anyway for AC you'll only need to know the basics of SEO which is nice. And yes, that's a great idea, just start small and get to know what AC wants before you try to scale it up with rewriters. I hate to do a shameless plug on my book, but I do cover the things you mentioned in detail. As you start to get to where you're ready for rewriters feel free to send me a PM and I'll help you get started with it.

Good luck mate, light up a smoke and dig into it!

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Hey there RedTide! I have to tell you that I am so excited for your ebook to come out. I am all over it when it does....And regarding the 14 hour work loss. That has happened to me on so many occasions, once in college on a 25 page paper...Just disappeared, and I had to start all over.

After reading, and smoking, I was totally inspired! I was looking for articles and then two just flew into my head. I wrote 2 in about an hr, the completely whitehat way...

Tomorrow, I'll get to re-writes and since I've only done 2 today, I'm going to have to spread the rest of the quota out over the rest of the week. I totally see how getting other people to write for you is beneficial...

I promise not to bug you too much, but I will probably be PMing you in the near future to see how I can really make some loot...like 3700 to 4k a month. I know it can be done, but its the time...Grrr....I am willing to put in the work though.

Thanks again for this. I think this thread needs to be stickied....with SUPERGLUE.

Hey Redtide,

Just a quick update, been ill for the past week so i've been able to get very little done really. Incredibly annoying. Two of the article writers came good, one was a little slow and one was crap to begin with but they are getting there. Still hunting for more

Will get them back to work sometime this week when im feeling better. Pain.

Hope you are well.

Hey Tide!
Thanks for all the great info and all the time you spent helping us newbies.

I picked up your book on AC for the added info it had as I'm a failure when it comes to things like Niches and I have to say I was In awe of how easy you made it!

you made this for anyone out there who wants a method that is easy to understand and follow. Your book took me by the hand and then spoon fed me EVERYTHING I needed to know to be successful in AC. There was no fluff in your methods only honest helpful information, that pointed me at being more successful.

The inclusion of information in assisting in the process of hiring and training writers for outsourcing was invaluable, and your inclusion of tactics on finding article material.. well I just can't say enough. The SEO information.. I felt like I was sitting in the room with one of AC's editors and they were giving me the secrets to rob them blind.

and while I'm not in a foreign nation the way you walked me through the process of getting multiple AC accounts will only exponentially increase my profits.

I have never seen an ebook with only solid, worthwhile information. All to often all I have gotten is fluff with a sugar coating. Well this was different and worth every cent I paid...

Thanks for making my paypal account that much richer!

hey tide.
i have to say that from all the ebooks that i read about
making money with articles yours is the best!!
i mean the way you presented all the info, steps, tricks is just mind blowing.
i already give up on making money from articles on AC but your ebook
as changed every thing for me, now i know that there is money to be made
there and every one can have a big success there.
i want to thank you for putting together such a fantastic ebook and really open
my eyes and returning me back my confidence on this one.
thank you.

Hi Kodiak,

I'm so glad you liked it! I tried to wrap everything I could into this one tutorial, and although it seemed to take forever to finish up and release to you guys, it was well worth it by hearing your feedback. Was there anything you felt I could have gone into more detail on?

Like I said, use what you've learned on how the AC reviewers calculate your upfront offers, and exploit it to make a killing!

Best of luck mate!


Hi kiki,

You're very welcome! Like I said in chapter 4, as long as you follow the steps as outlined you'll be golden, and making a full time living with AC. Use the same techniques I've been for finding quality content to rewrite and YOU WILL be getting $4.00 to $5.00 upfront payment offers (like I said, as long as you keep your grammar, puntuation, spelling and formatting in good order.)

Take the info I gave you and make a killing with AC man

You couldn't give me a better compliment than that!

Good luck!

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Thanks much mate!

You're definitely laying out a great game plan here. Remember also that once you get the writing portion outsourced successfully, you can also outsource the submissions themselves. (you'll need to be getting a consistent $4+ per article to make it profitable) but once you do, it becomes much more automated.

I wish you luck in your future "scaling up"!




Hi Akromae,

Sorry to here you've been ill man, hopefully it blows over quickly. It sounds like you're on your way to having a good team behind you. Do remember that it takes time to weed out the low quality writers. A friend of mine got his writers together in under a week, but for me it took nearly a month. So obviously times will vary.

How many ads did you place?


Get better soon!

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I can't think of anything that needs to be more in depth dude... If anything it needs some fluff so people can slow down and let what they read sink in...
You did a fantastic job on it though... If you failed at being smarter then a 5th grader you can certainly do this!

Take care and good luck with your book

Kodiak

Hey I've been following this thread recently and am setting up an account with AC tomorrow... I was wondering where your ebook is Redtide??...in your sig it still says coming soon but u all are talking about it...I cant change my IP right now so I will only have 1 account...but I figure thats an even better reason to check out your ebook so I can get the most $ for each of my articles...at least curious about price

Thanx

thanks redtide for your nice response. still i have some problems. it is very easy to create multiple associated content accounts changing ip addresses and verifying using k7.net.
but can i link all those accounts to a single paypal account as being a newbie i can't afford to buy seperate vcc to verify evey paypal account now.
what strategy do you adopt while dealing with multiple ac accounts?

I will have to add my thanks in here as well for all the great hints, tips, tricks and techniques you have shared, Redtide.....

I too tried a little with AC in the past, and couldn't find the combination that got them to even accept any articles from me.

I have recently come into contact with a person who will write original content very cheaply, and I think I may try their work out in AC to see how it goes. Their work passes copyscape very well, so I know it's not just cut and paste stuff.

I notice you said a little ways back you 'hit a wall, or earnings cap' with ACand aren't active with it anymore. Can I inquire what you mean by that?? Perhaps it took too much of your time for too long and you got burnt out on it, or you getting offers for the articles that were going down in price... or ??

Also, I too see your sig saying your book is coming soon, but see some here saying they have read it. Is it available yet??

Thanks again for all your help and comments..... much appreciated....

it means that while ac was probably a good money maker months ago, now there are faster ways to make $$$

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Hi Cosmic,

What I meant by hitting an earnings cap is that there are only so many hours in a day, I was consistently making $90-$160 a day with AC depending on the partner calls available. Not that $160 a day is anyhting to sneeze at but I am now working with other ventures that will hopefully make a lot more money per day. I am still actively doing all partner calls that are posted, but have my rewriters working on other IM projects.

The book is waiting for review from site administration, and once it is listed will be available there for purchase at more than fair price. I have 3 weeks of my life invested in writing it, so I certainly can't offer it for free, but will keep the price as low as possible.

Thank you for your interest, and best of luck with making a solid living with AC.




AC is still paying up to $6 per general category, $15-$20 per article for partner calls, and of course PPV residuals...

AC in my opinion is one of the easiest ways to get started learning how to make a full time living online. You learn SEO, online content writing, multiple account creation, and many other things which are the best foundations to have for building an online money making machine.

I have 3 friends that are pulling in the same amount of money I have been with AC, and like I said, $100+ a day is nothing to sneeze at for simply outsourcing rewriters.

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This is a REAL deal! I am so happy for your success. I really wish AC would encourage contribution from international partners too.

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He covers the international thing in the book.. Don't be afraid Black hat the way!

Kodiak is right PPC, the book pretty much spoon feeds you every technique to work AC as a non US resident.

It's an easy stumbling block to get past mate

Thanks for the kind words

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