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    Default I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    So, after thinking about this for a awhile I've decided that I wanted to see what it would take to get into writing. I'm not experienced by any means in terms of writing articles, honestly I've never done it before, although I have written plenty of stories in the past that I've distributed locally, which received great reviews. I'm probably not completely accurate on my grammar and I understand that I would need to improve on it, however that's not that big of a deal.

    I would like to know where you guys believe I should start off, because I honestly can't survive or even start to get into the parts of IM that I am interested in without starting funds. I've done things like post-loop and I was rated great, but it just didn't seem to pay, at all. I spent a ridiculous amount of time just to receive a five dollar payout, which took around four days to achieve.

    Thanks in advance for any advice tossed my way,
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    Default Re: I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    Well, after a quick skim over a few of your posts you seem to have a high standard of English, certainly good enough to write articles. You could write your own content and monetize it with adsense or something, or if you prefer there are lots of people looking for writers in the Marketplace. Take a look over there and see if anything tickles your fancy. No doubt prospective employers would want to see some samples of your work, so just write a few articles to show people and go from there.

    If I needed any writers for my projects I would definitely give you a shot, but I write my own content. So yeah, check out the Marketplace and the Freelancer section and see what kind of offers are there.

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    Default Re: I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Methuselah View Post
    Well, after a quick skim over a few of your posts you seem to have a high standard of English, certainly good enough to write articles. You could write your own content and monetize it with adsense or something, or if you prefer there are lots of people looking for writers in the Marketplace. Take a look over there and see if anything tickles your fancy. No doubt prospective employers would want to see some samples of your work, so just write a few articles to show people and go from there.

    If I needed any writers for my projects I would definitely give you a shot, but I write my own content. So yeah, check out the Marketplace and the Freelancer section and see what kind of offers are there.
    The problems that I have come to face with doing this is the lack of knowledge pertaining to the subject that I am asked to write about. I remember posting a topic back in the "freebies" section when I first joined the forum that was offering an attempt at writing free articles for members, unfortunately I was only able to complete two of them. This is because everyone that wanted me to write something was in a field I knew nothing about, but not only that, it was in a field that had little not no information on itself. I've been asked to write countless articles on products that are required to contain information pertaining to how the device works, what makes it efficient, and how it compares to other products, however not even the manufacturer themselves provide the information requested by the people wanting the articles. It's simply ridiculous.

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    The problems that I have come to face with doing this is the lack of knowledge pertaining to the subject that I am asked to write about. I remember posting a topic back in the "freebies" section when I first joined the forum that was offering an attempt at writing free articles for members, unfortunately I was only able to complete two of them. This is because everyone that wanted me to write something was in a field I knew nothing about, but not only that, it was in a field that had little not no information on itself. I've been asked to write countless articles on products that are required to contain information pertaining to how the device works, what makes it efficient, and how it compares to other products, however not even the manufacturer themselves provide the information requested by the people wanting the articles. It's simply ridiculous.
    Yeah, that is always a problem. One solution is to look for those jobs on subjects which you have some knowledge, or are general enough to be able to research as you go. Very specialized articles should really be written by people who know the subject, otherwise you will get it in the neck with people saying you've written a crap article.

    If you wanted to have another go at the Freebies section, I would write in your post what subjects you think you'll be good at writing about. Keep it as broad as possible, things like food, technology, pets, or whatever and avoid anything technical. Doing that gives you practice, and you can build up some reviews from people on your work.

    Writing your own content for a blog gives you control over whole process and is by far the best long term option. You can write about something you enjoy or are passionate about. And it can be literally anything, there will always be people searching for things that are interesting to you. It will be slow in making cash to begin with though, but it will get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methuselah View Post
    Yeah, that is always a problem. One solution is to look for those jobs on subjects which you have some knowledge, or are general enough to be able to research as you go. Very specialized articles should really be written by people who know the subject, otherwise you will get it in the neck with people saying you've written a crap article.

    If you wanted to have another go at the Freebies section, I would write in your post what subjects you think you'll be good at writing about. Keep it as broad as possible, things like food, technology, pets, or whatever and avoid anything technical. Doing that gives you practice, and you can build up some reviews from people on your work.

    Writing your own content for a blog gives you control over whole process and is by far the best long term option. You can write about something you enjoy or are passionate about. And it can be literally anything, there will always be people searching for things that are interesting to you. It will be slow in making cash to begin with though, but it will get there.
    I was thinking about this and I have had word-pressed installed on my local-computer for quite some time now. I don't have any intentions of going public with it for the time being, however I was debating to start writing some articles and get the saved up for when I had the money to get the an website out there. I could easily write five through ten decent quality articles a day for the next month and that would be tons of information. My problem is that I don't completely understand the structure of a blog, but you can find more information on my questions regarding that issue here: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...-blogging.html

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    I could easily write five through ten decent quality articles a day for the next month and that would be tons of information.
    Have you considered writing keyword/plr articles. Write them and sell them on WF. If you don't have an acct there or the fee to start a WSO, see if you can JV with someone. People sell batches of plr articles there all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLoneSynchro View Post
    I was thinking about this and I have had word-pressed installed on my local-computer for quite some time now. I don't have any intentions of going public with it for the time being, however I was debating to start writing some articles and get the saved up for when I had the money to get the an website out there. I could easily write five through ten decent quality articles a day for the next month and that would be tons of information. My problem is that I don't completely understand the structure of a blog, but you can find more information on my questions regarding that issue here:
    Yeah, you could build up a stock of articles to get you started. The thing about that though is that Google likes blogs to be updated often, so you couldn't write say 50 articles then just leave it, once you get it set up you still need to be writing new articles. You could drip feed the ones you've already written or just keep creating new ones. You can never go wrong with well written articles. Hosting is cheap, so as soon you can I would recommend getting some and embarking on your blogging voyage.

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    Default Re: I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    Being a writer myself, I understand the challenge you're up against. I know you need funds, as previously stated, but I'm sure you have a lot of passion for writing as well, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it, as it's difficult and time consuming. I'm a fiction/fantasy writer and while I have written one excellent self-published book that took me years to write, I've made very little money with it because it's a genre with highly intelligent and extremely picky readers.

    Now, I have noticed that several other niche writers have been successful writing ebooks and publishing them in the Kindle storefront. I just heard another story a few weeks ago about a guy who writes survivalist ebooks and makes $500k a year selling them online. Obviously, you're not going to find that kind of success starting out, but the concept is simple.

    Find a niche that isn't completely saturated, and write books that offer some value to people. The books don't have to be long, as I think 10,000-20,000 words is what most people are looking for when they purchase some sort of manual like that. Think about what a survivalist reader is looking for: ways to survive in a post-apocalyptic world, ways to create shelter, how to skin a deer. Fuck, who knows, those guys are a bit wacky but they are passionate it about it and will definitely shell out a few bucks if they feel you're offering something of value.

    That's just one idea. Do some research with Google and trends and look for things that people are searching for a lot and write up a quick guide on it and sell it on Amazon. I don't have any of the links but do searches on BHW as well as there are a few guys making a killing this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seochris96 View Post
    Being a writer myself, I understand the challenge you're up against. I know you need funds, as previously stated, but I'm sure you have a lot of passion for writing as well, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it, as it's difficult and time consuming. I'm a fiction/fantasy writer and while I have written one excellent self-published book that took me years to write, I've made very little money with it because it's a genre with highly intelligent and extremely picky readers.

    Now, I have noticed that several other niche writers have been successful writing ebooks and publishing them in the Kindle storefront. I just heard another story a few weeks ago about a guy who writes survivalist ebooks and makes $500k a year selling them online. Obviously, you're not going to find that kind of success starting out, but the concept is simple.

    Find a niche that isn't completely saturated, and write books that offer some value to people. The books don't have to be long, as I think 10,000-20,000 words is what most people are looking for when they purchase some sort of manual like that. Think about what a survivalist reader is looking for: ways to survive in a post-apocalyptic world, ways to create shelter, how to skin a deer. Fuck, who knows, those guys are a bit wacky but they are passionate it about it and will definitely shell out a few bucks if they feel you're offering something of value.

    That's just one idea. Do some research with Google and trends and look for things that people are searching for a lot and write up a quick guide on it and sell it on Amazon. I don't have any of the links but do searches on BHW as well as there are a few guys making a killing this way.
    While I would have to admit that this is a great idea, it's just not my fancy. I'm not good at creating nice-looking layouts for eBooks and writing guides. I'm going to take your example of skinning a deer; if it was me I would just tell them to grab something sharp and go at it, however people could write pages upon pages about where you should start depending on the death of the animal, what to salvage and what to keep, the list goes on and on, unfortunately explaining things to people isn't really what I'm good at. I can bullshit anybody into believing something, but I can't explain how to do something in-depth enough for it to be worth money.

    At-least, that's just my opinion, but then again the fact that I can't format a PDF File to save my life and make it look nice and clean is also holding me back, as I don't like things that look messy and there aren't very many tutorials about writing eBooks and making them look nice, which gave me an idea for an eBook, but it's probably going to be stolen now by someone who actually knows how to do so.

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    Default Re: I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    Creating a decent looking pdf isn't that difficult these days. You can use Microsoft Word and it's nearly a drag and drop process before exporting as the .pdf. If you don't have Word, download Open Office and use Writer.

    Unfortunately, though, to succeed online, you are going to need to learn some basic skills to assist you, such as those pieces of software. Also, don't be afraid to try something like Word AI to take a lot of other people's content, spin it well, and then go back and do manual edits to ensure it's unique. That's certainly one thing that you could do.

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    Default Re: I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    Although it's still possible to profit as a writer, the people making the most money are usually the people hiring the writers. With article spinners getting smarter the need for writers is diminishing also.

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    Default Re: I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    Getting really difficult to see writing going anywhere without just hosting on my own site, the only problem is I don't have the money to get anything up and running. I'm hoping to see some requests posted to the gig that I opened on Fiverr, however so far I haven't had any luck.

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    My suggestion would be to try out some places like Zerys and Textbroker. If you're not looking to turn writing into a full time gig and only need to get some cash together for other projects, those two should more than cover you.

    You could also check out Constant Content. I've read some poor opinions about CC on here, but I disagree with most of them, if not all of them. Yes, Constant Content only accepts great quality writing, but that's also why you can get away with selling articles for upwards of $30 after CC has taken their cut. And you can make some decent money on there if your writing is good by writing shorter, generic articles and selling them for $15 a piece. That will net you around $10 per piece but since you're writing on spec, you can stick to topics you know and bash out 3 or 4 arts and hour easily. To increase the likelihood of your articles selling fast, make sure to check out the recently sold list on CC and stick to topics that seem to be selling well.

    Oh and to help with the actual writing, run your article through Grammarly and PolishMyWriting. Grammarly is a paid service but they offer a free seven day trial and then it's around $30 per month if you pay monthly. It checks everything from commas to vocabulary and plagiarism and is really useful at catching things you might have missed when proofing. Polishmywriting is free and is focused more on style, pointing out passive voice and clunky constructions, which is also useful.

    Regarding your problem on writing about topics you're not familiar with, you have a couple of options. You could market yourself as a specialist in fields you are knowledgeable about, which will not only make it easier for you to write but also allow you to charge higher rates because of your knowledge. Or you could get really good at research. You'll have to do this anyway if you're serious about writing or even IM because you won't always be lucky enough to work in niches that you know well.

    Hope that helps

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    Default Re: I have decided that I want to get into writing.

    wow... this thread has more content than several BHW pages put together...

    StefM86, OP and seochris96 you might want to JV on a website and just write for traffic... content marketing is still working great and it's still considered one of the best sustainable SEO methods so go for it!

    you can monetize your writing skills without having to write for other people and if you decide to do it i'd say go big or go home people will pay good money for good content and you shouldn't settle for the 5$ offers...

    also there's a lot of rumor about Google releasing a new rating for authors... go on guest posting platforms and just write guest posts for a "rel=author" link to your G+ profile .. you'll get offers to write about stuff in no time and when the customers come to you for the service you know you can ask a fair price for your work
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    Don't worry about your Grammar. There is all sorts of grammar check tools.


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