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    alright, that's a lot to ask for. more than anything I'm just looking for ideas.

    I joined textbroker a while ago and now I'm a 4-star writer. it's alright, but there isn't a lot of good work to do there. I hear it's because summers are slow.

    but someone on the TB forums pointed me to a book called "The Well-Fed Writer" and it looks interesting. before I throw any money into an ebook (can't find it for 'free' lol) I was wondering how deep I could get myself into writing. I would ditch whatever I'm doing now if writing was good enough.

    I saw someone here on BHW say that TB pays like $5 for work worth $50. if I can get $50 for my little 4-star 400 word articles then I'm all for trying it out. I looked at C-C but they seem to be ridiculously strict and there's no guarantee my articles will be sold

    what are your thoughts?




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    You could write articles on fiverr or odesk and make $4 per 400 words because their sites with very low costs.

    On elance you can charge a lot more but it takes time to built reputation and build good feedback.

    But I've never heard of anyone paying $50 for 400 words.

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    I prolly should have clarified that I thought that was a pretty good exaggeration too, but it's one example at least. I'll see if Fiverr has more work available, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff_Man View Post
    I've never heard of anyone paying $50 for 400 words.
    In most first world countries, we have journalists that write for newspapers and make this, or much more. This goes for professional magazine articles and such.

    OP, you need to ask this on a journalist forum. The only writing jobs people on here are familiar with are SEO content generation jobs, and that doesn't pay too much generally.

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    Default Re: Is writing enough? How can I turn writing into a job?

    The Well Fed Writer is about commercial copywriting. Are you interested in copywriting? Take a look at Trada. You can write ad copy for PPC. Think adwords, facebook, bing, etc... if you can learn how to write copy that converts, you can make a nice chunk of money. Much better than writing long sales letters. Oh, email copywriting is pretty lucrative too.

    Can't post links yet so google trada writers and you'll find some info.

    HTH

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    I've never done any copywriting work, but I'm interested enough to look it up and give it a try. Thanks for the info. I wonder how hard it really is; it looks really professional. I'm not used to doing work on that level.

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    How about writing something that gives you recurring income, like a kindle ebook or a website? Assuming your writing is actually good.

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    When I worked as freelance writer in health niche I earned upto $25 per 500 words. Its all about your skills and searching the right employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lalalaenhund View Post
    How about writing something that gives you recurring income, like a kindle ebook or a website? Assuming your writing is actually good.
    I can't think of anything I'd wanna write a book about. I've heard of people building multiple adsense websites, but I wouldn't know where to start

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    I realized today that TB is badly affected by Summer. I have another job online and it's pretty similar. There are plenty of open orders on TB right now, but they have bad instructions and nobody is really completing them.

    I wish I could get something steady right now even for somewhat low pay. It's making me depressed to just sit here doing nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lalalaenhund View Post
    How about writing something that gives you recurring income, like a kindle ebook or a website? Assuming your writing is actually good.
    This is solid advice, Kindle ebooks are literally exploding right now. Just put something out there in your downtime, the success rate for people that put in just a little effort is incredible.

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    It sounds good, but I have no idea what to write about. I've read some information about writing erotica but that's it. I might give it a shot. It's not like I have anything to lose anyway.

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    50 for 1 article is way to steep. maybe years ago but nowerday i dont think its possible to make that any more.

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    It's about finding people who are willing to pay you that much. The going rate for articles is $5-10 per 500 words these days. If you can write quality stuff, build a reputation, find good clients and charge them more. Another option is if you have consistent work and clients who make big orders, hire employees under you and make a team. You can earn significantly doing this if you take the right approach.

    Make yourself a website with some samples and details. This will make you look professional and you can charge a bit more than your regular.

    Third option is the long term. Pick a niche, learn to keyword research. Write content and setup a website. Learn to SEO or invest some money. Once you site grows, you can monetize. Also, like few people suggested, you can try kindle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oblivion19 View Post
    It's about finding people who are willing to pay you that much. The going rate for articles is $5-10 per 500 words these days. If you can write quality stuff, build a reputation, find good clients and charge them more. Another option is if you have consistent work and clients who make big orders, hire employees under you and make a team. You can earn significantly doing this if you take the right approach.

    Make yourself a website with some samples and details. This will make you look professional and you can charge a bit more than your regular.

    Third option is the long term. Pick a niche, learn to keyword research. Write content and setup a website. Learn to SEO or invest some money. Once you site grows, you can monetize. Also, like few people suggested, you can try kindle.
    The going rate for poor quality content is $5-10 per 500, but high quality content is worth $15-20 per 500 at least.

    OP, if you keep competing with the $5 writers then you'll just end up burning yourself out. If you're a good writer and charging $5 then chances are people are reselling your content for a higher price.

    What happened on CC? You say they were too strict, did they reject your articles? If so, why?

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    It seemed like they were looking for people with degrees or equivalent skill, so I just went to TB instead. I might try submitting an article there to see if I'm good enough, but seems kind of weird to submit content just to hope someone else buys it sometime. I suppose it works for some people, and it would be nice to get paid $20 for a 500 word article instead of $7

    Some people on TB told me they moved into other work and get paid $30/h. that sounds pretty amazing to me, but I have no idea where to go for that sort of pay. I just have to learn; it's not like I'll get there instantly anyway

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    Denimfrank,
    Are you native writer or English your second language. If you are Native you can try searching "high paying paid blogging list" "100$ for article" like this you will get many leads...

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    I am not sure if there is a lot of work for writers ATM, because I use the site as a buyer so I can't see the writer's interface, but you might want to take a look at Hirewriters.

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    Other way is creating your service website and doing SEO for that for targeted keywords and you would get clients from search engine.. it is a little time consuming process but you would get long time result.

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    Thanks guys. I just made a post on the "Making Money" forum related to this exact thing. I guess I should have come here first. I am thinking about going the kindle route. I have been thinking about writing a book for some time. Anyone have any recommended resources relating to writing a kindle e-book?

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    Folks, I've sold 500 word articles on Constant-Content for $49. It's not impossible. In fact, it's fairly common to see articles sell there for $50-$100.

    BTW, their editors are not "ridiculously strict." They have to be strict, otherwise they'd have no credibility and no clients. They will send articles back for a single grammar mistake. Solution: proofread and then proofread again. Brush up on your grammar. Use a good grammar checker as a second line of defense. Everyone gets tired and we get sloppy when we are.

    CC doesn't require you to have a degree.

    It's true that some of your articles will sit forever in the catalogue and never sell. In fact, according to CC's editors, a good 30% of your articles will never get any love from clients at all. Don't like it? Don't write for the site. More money for me.

    "Some people on TB told me they moved into other work and get paid $30/h. that sounds pretty amazing to me, but I have no idea where to go for that sort of pay. I just have to learn; it's not like I'll get there instantly anyway"

    Answer: private clients who give them steady, repeat business that doesn't require much research.

    "you could use the keywords that people are listing in textbroker, then develop your own authority sites around those keywords ;-)"

    This might work. You could also do the same with CC's public requests.
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    Of all these suggestions, I believe learning to do keyword research as a complimentary skill, creating your own websites using your writing skills, and monetizing that traffic yourself, cutting out the middlemen you've been working for, may be the most lucrative to you. Find enough success, and your writing skills may be most useful when evaluating the work of writers that you hire.

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    For some it might be possible to earn enough income to live off of, but for me, I would have to say that my content writing is just extra money. Would I love to be able to write? Sure. Will it happen anytime soon? I highly doubt it

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    Writing can be very profitable as long as you target the right people and the right content.

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    I stumbled across this and was actually thinking of writing an ebook. I have a MacBook Pro and was wondering what a really good program for writing ebooks is, or if there is one that comes on the macbook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCrispy View Post
    I stumbled across this and was actually thinking of writing an ebook. I have a MacBook Pro and was wondering what a really good program for writing ebooks is, or if there is one that comes on the macbook?
    Scrivener is very good.

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    I personally make a living providing content in multiple languages. We write around 385 000 words monthly. No secret here! Promote yourself--->Find customers--->Write quality content--->Repeat!

    (Stay away from cheapstake clients!)

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    writting with adsense is enough

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    Check out hire a freelancer and you could find some decent jobs to get working. Otherwise i'd say look into self publishing on Amazon or starting up a niche blog.

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    I'm working on new project similar to ehow and I'm looking for serious writter (native) with adsense accounts. You choice your niche , write your 130% unique well written article .. You will receive 30% of the revenue from the ads banner on your article . Ok you won't earn 30$ for posting it but if is interest article and bring traffic you will be earning on autopilot for life. The domain im using is 6 year old never dropped with organic traffic. If anyone is interested PM me. The platform will be with closed authors group. No guest posting. No spinning craps. All nice around the "How to" are welcome.

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    I got burned out writing for AC when it was around. And then when it changed hands..all my articles were thrown in the garbage along with those of thousands of other writers. Even though I produced high quality articles in both english and spanish..the pay was next to nothing and I became tired of people nickel and diming me to death and wanting great content for next to nothing. Is there a better solution today? I have no idea..as I gave up on finding a company that paid fair wages. But after reading some of the comments here from other experienced writers..I may give it a go again..if my stomach can handle it..lol.

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    OP - I'd be willing to give you some tips on how to be well paid as a writer.

    It's a lot more straightforward than most people think.

    But getting clients/building a reputation is the hard part.



    Add me on skype if you're interested. (Just the OP)

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    It's more of an extra money thing for most folks

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    Noob Question - What's CC?

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    Im wondering the same thing.

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    It is important to know what is your strength, and on which niche you are comfortable to write.
    I think if you're done with this, your answer is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squirt View Post
    Noob Question - What's CC?
    Constant Content, as Codexehow said at the start of that post.

    In answer to the main thread question, writing can be 'enough' if you choose high paying sources, OR you use the typical IM writing opportunities available in order to provide pocket money while pursuing higher earnings from other IM projects (CPA, WSOs, MNS, etc.). One way to efficiently do both is to re-use writing you do for 'peanuts' in order to build up content to your own sites.

    Classic example, find a high paying niche, write new content in the niche for an affiliate or adsense site, re-write the article and submit it to Yahoo Voices on a non-exclusive/upfront pay basis; then re-use the Yahoo content on Web 2.0s linking back to your site. Even more simply (if you aren't using SEO to build traffic and don't care about unique content), submit the articles to YV the same way without re-writing them, then post the same related articles on your own site (and promote it through YouTube, social media, forums and other non-ranking methods). Get paid short term by Yahoo, to create content for your own long-term, better paying sites.
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    $50 for 400 words? Seems very unlikely to me. IMO, writers have to work a lot to make that amount of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PassionateWriting View Post
    $50 for 400 words? Seems very unlikely to me. IMO, writers have to work a lot to make that amount of money.
    lol you're on shitty blackhatworld. Have you seen the "native writters [sic]" proposals on Elance? Most writers suck. Add the "English is my mother tongue" people and you can stand out with companies that need real content not spun shit from Indians. CC is filled with pros who know their stuff. That's why they pay well. You pay these "native writters" $1/500 words because they suck and the content will get your site killed in Panda. Pay a good writer with some experience on a topic and you can get some great stuff for good prices. And $50 for 400-500 words is actually cheap. People here think it's expensive because A) they have no pride in anything and their site is junk and B) because they suck as a writer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archon10 View Post
    Pay a good writer with some experience on a topic and you can get some great stuff for good prices. And $50 for 400-500 words is actually cheap. People here think it's expensive because A) they have no pride in anything and their site is junk and B) because they suck as a writer.
    The issue for BHW people in IM is one of wanting a payoff that is bigger and better than either $5 or $50 per article. At either price, it's still one-time, active labor for the money, or grunt work in either event. The goal of marketers is ultimately to get past doing active work to get their cash, and to have mostly passive income coming in from their prior labors.

    Namely, write content to one's site that they get paid for (or not), and get paid $50 PER MONTH in commissions from it going forward, per each site they create. Since it is the ongoing long haul earnings they are shooting for, they tend to only be using writing as a means, not an end, so are not consumed with getting the maximum one-time dollars for writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahat View Post
    The issue for BHW people in IM is one of wanting a payoff that is bigger and better than either $5 or $50 per article. At either price, it's still one-time, active labor for the money, or grunt work in either event. The goal of marketers is ultimately to get past doing active work to get their cash, and to have mostly passive income coming in from their prior labors.

    Namely, write content to one's site that they get paid for (or not), and get paid $50 PER MONTH in commissions from it going forward, per each site they create. Since it is the ongoing long haul earnings they are shooting for, they tend to only be using writing as a means, not an end, so are not consumed with getting the maximum one-time dollars for writing.
    Good content will sell more in the end. You can either hire these shitty writers at BHW and make the minimum or hire good writers and convert more traffic to sales. Shitty writing increases bounce rate. Most people don't want to read junk. It's especially important if you sell a service or product. Anyone who thinks writing is easy and isn't important for conversions obviously doesn't have a successful website.

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    Sell your skill to people who are looking for it Good luck!

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    Writing is something you can make a living on but extraordinarily hard to get rich on unless you are a very intuitive writer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaLore View Post
    The Well Fed Writer is about commercial copywriting. Are you interested in copywriting? Take a look at Trada. You can write ad copy for PPC. Think adwords, facebook, bing, etc... if you can learn how to write copy that converts, you can make a nice chunk of money. Much better than writing long sales letters. Oh, email copywriting is pretty lucrative too.

    Can't post links yet so google trada writers and you'll find some info.

    HTH
    Ohh Copywriting.. Then it is possible to get paid $50 for 400 words.
    But I personally don't think writing niche article will be able to earn that high.

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    When I worked as freelance writer in health niche I earned upto $25 per 500 words. Its all about your skills and searching the right employer.
    Wow. That's good pay.
    How long have you been writing?

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