Hi, I need an honest advice. I have some health sites which are getting OK organic traffic, so I guess the hardest part is over. Now, how to monetize the website fully?

We all know that adsense is bullshit and nobody really uses it as a main income. So, please don't recommend that. The main money is in affiliate stuff, but again, selling bullshitty products related my niches for $8 and getting paid $0.50 per sale is depressing as well (might as well use adsense). clickbank and ebooks are a little better idea, but what if I sold re-sellable ebooks through paypal by myself? people trust paypal buttons more than clickbank ordering pages and scammy looking landing pages anyway..

any other ideas? any CPA health networks? thanks.

What health niche is it, or is it general?

You could try moreniche. They're a good company with health CPA products. It may be hard if you don't have a specific niche.

whats so bad about adsense?

Adsense isn't that bad, why make it sound like PTC? You will probably earn more on it than using CB\CJ.

Originally Posted by xxblackxx

What health niche is it, or is it general?

Your could try moreniche. They're a good company with health CPA products. It may be hard if you don't have a specific niche.

Mostly supplements, or specific disease niche. Thanks for the link, I'll check them out.

Originally Posted by workplay

whats so bad about adsense?

It's only bad when comparing it to other things, almost any website which makes money through adsense could be making 10 times more with affiliate stuff.

Originally Posted by hamster

We all know that adsense is bullshit and nobody really uses it as a main income. So, please don't recommend that.

WebMD is the #1 english language health site and they are using adsense exclusively. I'm sure if you can increase their revenue by 10x they will appoint you as CEO.

you know you could try different stuff
one week use adsense and another use clickbank and so on
pick the best conversion and use it or mix and match

Originally Posted by BreakAllTheClocks

WebMD is the #1 english language health site and they are using adsense exclusively. I'm sure if you can increase their revenue by 10x they will appoint you as CEO.

Their business model is different from mine, they are not looking to make as much money as possible in the shortest amount of time, their adsense placement is awful too.

Adsense isnt that bad. What are the CPC rates for all the keywords that you're ranking for? If you're going to go the cpa route, id suggest offering an incentive to fill out the offers. Something like, " Get this free ebook on (your section of the health related niche) for subscribing to our newsletter or CPA off". Obviously not telling them "CPA offer". Hope this helps.

Thanks everyone. OK, maybe Adsense is not that bad and I've been using it for the last 5 years on some of my websites, but still I don't believe it's the best monetization method. Going to try markethealth now, I've heard some bad stuff about them but still.. can't resist the offers.

Well, good luck, by the way, dont concentrate on only one website and one method of acquiring IM income. Basically, don't keep all of your eggs in one basket.

Look, I don't know you or what you have going, but adsense is ANOTHER source of traffic. Adding it to a good content site will creates a small revenue stream. The more small revenue streams you have the more revenue you have.

A good adsense site is a set and forget deal. Write good articles, do your SEO, and add a page every once in a while. Run the adsense ads, rotate affiliate ads, get some PLR, rewrite it and sell it as your own, keeping the profit. Rotate your ads along with the affiliate ads, split test and use what is most profitable in your rotation, continue to tweak your e-books until they convert well, then create a clickbank product and get affiliates to sell for you.

Do reviews of your affiliate products and make a page for this product with the title and the word review as your page URL. Hell do reviews of your own e-book and put it on a page.

Ask your visitors what they would like on your site, and build them what they want, using the best applicable keywords.

I do not understand why people want to create 50 MNS sites that bring in 50 cents a day, when for less effort they could build a 100 page authority site that brings in hundreds a month.

For heavens sake I am making 100 a month off a free computer repair web site. What do you think the CPC is for free computer repair? Not much. But I have a page about how to back up your computer, a high CPC keyword. I have a page about drivers, also a high CPC keyword, I hunt down high CPC keywords and add pages to target these once in a while.

The only maintenance for this site is very casual link building, and adding another page every month or so.

Did you tried selling some links? If you have decent ranks I'm pretty sure you can get a lot of clients on this. Its a decent payoff, trust me, you also have a good paying niche, so you might turn a nice profit.

I tried to sell related links with your choice of keyword text on fiverr, but everyone wanted site wide anchor text links that had nothing to do with computers. (I'm not running a link for penis enlargement on my PR5 computer repair web site)

I will make anyone this offer. Write me a quality article about some aspect of computers or web sites, especially if it is a how-to with visuals, and I will publish it on my site, give you full credit, you can make the article as related to your web site as you wish, and I'll let you put whatever links you want on the page (within reason) as long as they compliment the content and meet my standards. (Don't give me any of that 300 to 500 words line either, think 700 to 1500+. Long on substance and short on hype.)

BUT: I get full editorial over the content and full control over the article as related to my site, and I keep all revenue generated by the page.

And yes, I would sell up to three links from each page if I could get a fair price.

try to use:
1. infolinks (it claims pays better than adsense),
2. amazon affiliate (sell health product at sidebar),
3. paid to reviews.

i hope it help.

Originally Posted by hamster

Hi, I need an honest advice. I have some health sites which are getting OK organic traffic, so I guess the hardest part is over. Now, how to monetize the website fully?

We all know that adsense is bullshit and nobody really uses it as a main income. So, please don't recommend that. The main money is in affiliate stuff, but again, selling bullshitty products related my niches for $8 and getting paid $0.50 per sale is depressing as well (might as well use adsense). clickbank and ebooks are a little better idea, but what if I sold re-sellable ebooks through paypal by myself? people trust paypal buttons more than clickbank ordering pages and scammy looking landing pages anyway..

any other ideas? any CPA health networks? thanks.

What in the world? Adsense is bullshit? Adsense quite possibly is one of the best forms of monetization you could implement on your site. CPC is the highest in the industry, and especially for health sites. Give it a try.

Originally Posted by hamster

It's only bad when comparing it to other things, almost any website which makes money through adsense could be making 10 times more with affiliate stuff.

That is not quite correct. IF you have your adsense on page SEO done right, so that the visitors find generally what they are looking for, the the ads on your page will also reflect what they are looking for. Should they not find exactly what they seek, they are likely to click on an ad that possibly will help them find the exact information they want.

On an affiliate site that is not a hyped up site, the conversion rate can be abysmal. Many times affiliate sites need to be at the end of a sales funnel, so that the customer can be led down a road that addresses his reservations and helps him or her make that sales decision.

An adsense page just simply says "This is what I got, but you can find more info here" and the visitor has to decide what to do without any other coaxing.

This complicates the affiliate site setup, construction, and execution.

But this is the caveat. If you have an affiliate site that gets everything right, peoper keyword research, high traffic keyword, just the right SEO, good copy, good sales funnel, great product and price, or better yet one that has a viral component, its like having a vacuum sucking in and endless stream of money from the internet. The problem is that only, (I think the stat is) 1 out of ten attempted moneymaking sites by experienced internet marketers actually kills it. That is from experienced Internet Marketers, too.

A properly executed an marketed affiliate site will outperform a properly executed an marketed adsense site every time. By a sometimes unimaginable margin.

When an affiliate site kills it, it is a gusher, but even when an adsense site kills it, it is still just a stream, it never gushes.

Monetize with products that are related to the articles that youhave posted. Your article should provide a solution to their problem, and conveniently you offer them the ability to purchase said solution. This is always my goal anyway when working with content sites.

Little bit off topic, but I've a site that's a bit related to health (alcohol related).

And the CTR is terrible - 2% or so. Is it normal for this niche to have a low CTR, my ad placements are quite good by the way.

Originally Posted by sldebo

Look, I don't know you or what you have going, but adsense is ANOTHER source of traffic.

Just realized that I made an error. I meant the first line to say:
Look, I don't know you or what you have going, but adsense is ANOTHER source of REVENUE, not traffic.

Didn't snap until today, sorry

I am having FUN with Market Health and I love them.. ! Try them out. You should have some good conversions if you have an awesome sales page.. !

Originally Posted by hamster

Their business model is different from mine, they are not looking to make as much money as possible in the shortest amount of time, their adsense placement is awful too.

Web MD made $600,000,000 last year, has $300,000,000 in cash and has buyers chasing them with $2 Billion + offers. I kind of like their business model.

Originally Posted by geolist

Web MD made $600,000,000 last year, has $300,000,000 in cash and has buyers chasing them with $2 Billion + offers. I kind of like their business model.

Is there specific earnings on the financial statement for the website? I'll have to check later.

Originally Posted by hamster

Is there specific earnings on the financial statement for the website? I'll have to check later.

Web MD is a public company, they have to report their earnings. The numbers I used were from an article I read. I'm to lazy to verify or confirm those numbers, but knock yourself out Web MD is listed on the NASDAQ.

Health Niches

OP, health is a great broad niche. There are lots of ways to monetize, and lot of permutations, so to speak, let's say:

SITES:

A) Great website, usually on it's own domain, informative and
original content (photos, infographics, apps, articles, etc). Usually has
any or all of the following: Main Site with articles, Blog, Forum, Online
Store.

B) Good website, informative, usually on it's own domain or a
sub-domain, with well spun or somewhat borrowed/PLR content. Usually
has any or all of the following: Main Site with articles, Blog.


C) Kinda crappy website, web 2.0 property, lots of spun or shamelessly copied content. Usually
a blog.

D) Downright Spammy.


Monetization:

1) Great Health Related Products (Amazon, products you resell,
affiliate accounts) incl. books, vitamin supplements, videos, even shoes
and other gear related to health and fitness. Convert OK for type A and
B sites

2) Not so Great/OK products (clickbank, cheap versions, generic
supplements, hyped supplements ie. moreniche's). Convert OK for type
A and B sites

3) Hyped (downright useless or doubtful/poor benefits products), usually
very expensive and with great comissions. Also prone to shady trial
offers. Convert GREAT for all sites, BUT will burn their reputation to
the ground

4a) Good Contextual Advertising (Adsense), works great with type A sites, good for B sites, avoid anywhere else.

4b) Contextual Advertising (ie. Chitika), works mainly for type A/B blogs

4c) Contextual Advertising, crappy edition (ie. AdBrite). Avoid, ruins everything it's put on.

5) Self hosted and managed advertising. Great for A sites, good for B sites, you won't make a sale for types C or D sites,
unless you offer it to DP noobs (and that's evil and will destroy both your and your site's reputation)



As you can see, the combinations are almost endless. I could spend hours writing about this, I know I'm leaving a lot of things out, but I hope this serves as a very general guide. As for promotion and SEO, just read around and experiment along the way.


Note: Depending on the niche, there's also a sixth type of monetization, examples can be found in body building sites. Not worth the risk. AVOID Every time.

Check out markethealth.com and nativeremedies.com.

Yeah, moreniche or cashburners are great aff sites.

trust me adsense would do just fine for starters

Originally Posted by geolist

Web MD is a public company, they have to report their earnings. The numbers I used were from an article I read. I'm to lazy to verify or confirm those numbers, but knock yourself out Web MD is listed on the NASDAQ.

I know that, but it's a group of companies (Medscape, magazines, apps) not just one website. The actual Web MD website is probably responsible for 2-3% of these earnings.

Originally Posted by Cdman

Little bit off topic, but I've a site that's a bit related to health (alcohol related).

And the CTR is terrible - 2% or so. Is it normal for this niche to have a low CTR, my ad placements are quite good by the way.

My guess is that your SEO is too general, either your subject is so broad that there are no specific ads to fit the page, or the SEO does not properly reflect what is on your page, and the ads you are getting are too general or targeted wrong.

i have health related product for u which pays 110$ per sale and has good reviews, history.


i have a affiliate program ( i am the top level affiliate manager/webmaster) for a alternative health product called "Earth pulse device" that uses biomagnetic pulses to heal your body and give u performance enhance and anti-aging results.

Our new affiliate program we have just launched after 9 years of selling this product to 1000s of customers. u can have a look at our affiliate program and see if you can market this product and make 110$ per sale.

our aff prog can be found here - sleeponcommand(dott)com

loads of articles, research are available for making sites, if you can Search Engine Optimization it nicely and make a godo blog/site u can surely make a killing with this program. specially if u have mailing list of doctors , coz they will see that a technology which previously used to cost 30,000$ is now in market for just 599$ and 349$ and works better than the $30,000 machines.

Originally Posted by GimmeMoney

Check out markethealth and nativeremedies

Originally Posted by jr_sci

I am having FUN with Market Health and I love them.. ! Try them out. You should have some good conversions if you have an awesome sales page.. !

Markethealth ? I heard so much complaints about them, aren't they stealing affiliate sales ?

Market Health ship has sailed if your not already making bank dont bother way too saturated with their base products. Also i have heard lots of complaints about them as well.
does your content lend itself to education of some kind? if not you should consider adding some. plenty of CPA leads offers out there ranking for edu KW's will be tough but if your already getting SE traffic no harm in trying to convert it check CJ i think i saw 1-2 offers there

I usually monetize my health sites with more niche, sell health (great for hgh and anti aging offers), impact5 (sister network of more niche) and market health. Plus a bit of CJ and click bank..if I find a good product that I can rank for.

Hello hamster - we are ridiculously keen to work with you!

Our average commission is €20 ($25 approx). With 5% ECR = €1 comms per unique visitor. Similar to MoreNiche, which is also a great health network.

PM me - Health Affiliates Network (dot com)

Originally Posted by hamster

Hi, I need an honest advice. I have some health sites which are getting OK organic traffic, so I guess the hardest part is over. Now, how to monetize the website fully?

I do not think any of the commenters here are disabled but I am. If you want to Joint Venture I will share some real world experiences that will make money by the truck load.

I am going to do this with or without JV partners because it is to valuable to give away to WEB MD or Adsense.

We can share ideas and solutions but I am thinking using real world solutions from people with real medical conditions and we could content lock a solution for the price of a Doctors Office co-pay. and there is more

SKYPE a message to jz.zabo
P.S. I do not think I am qualified yet to PM

I'm not sure what your site focuses on besides supplements/diseases or what you really want to sell to your users, but I've had a lot of success with generic drug affiliate or reseller programs. You could link to specific product pages on existing pharma sites from an article on your site or any page related to the drug, or run your own pharmacy and link to it from your site and even perform separate SEO on the pharma site itself so it can stand as its own traffic-generating revenue stream.

You have no idea the opporutnities that exist unless you are disabled and been through the Doctor mill, Insurance mill and the Pharma screwups.

If you are not careful they could kill you.

Any experienced IM'ers interested in a JV? This is a money gone wild machine, I promise, or you can tell me to kiss your butt and I will be glad to do that and apologize for taking up your time if I am wrong, which I am not.

Who wants to make real ongoing money

Skype jz.zabo