Hi guys, so I've been reading a lot of info about this and it's bugging me a bit, after reading some threads here in BHW and another one at Warrior Forum, I was pretty excited about Micro Niche Sites and Adsense. Here are some related threads about this:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...-sites-23.html
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...h-adsense.html
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...etirement.html

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http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/95891-6-months-later-300-daily-w-adsense-lessons-learned.html

The idea of setting up 1-4 page mini sites fast and make at least $1/Day per site sounds really cool! ... BUT!...Is it really that easy? Is it really true? I mean, niche/keyword research is not easy at all, getting traffic/ranking your site is even harder, so I want to ask you,

• is there anyone here making GOOD money with these methods?
• Does it really works?
• Is it really a long term business model?

So please guys, if it is working for you, give us some hope and motivation, please JUST tell us IF IT IS WORKING, tell us how many of this sites you have and How much $$ you're making per day or per month with this method.

Thanks guys!! Please share your opinions!

I bet the hardest part is the keyword research really. Theres Plenty of sites ranking very well with less than 100 backlinks. IF you have good backlinking system and good keyword research knowledge you can make it somewhat easy.

I setup like 15 autoblogs following some pretty extensive guidelines and gave up shortly after. It doesn't start to pull in money unless you wait a while, or you have to spend some time promoting the blogs. It's not as easy as it sounds in my opinion.

Ok thanks for your input guys, but I'm not talking about autoblogs, this are micro niche sites that actually have unique content. What do you think? I mean $1/day per site doesn't seem like hard, is it?

You referencing 3 threads that are presells for the various op's info products, the concept of flogs brought to the world of forums. the reality is a little bit more hit & miss then they describe. They are in the business of selling dreams that actually dilute the effectiveness of the method they describe.

all companies do vanity searchs on their products...so to registister domains on the basis of trademarked products is not exactly a long term business model...but hey, exact match domains kick ass in the SERPS.

The concept works, but its alot of research time for the $1/day returns & its totally dependent on the amout of weight google gives too keyword domains...if the search algo changes your house of cards falls down.

Lets be honest, all these people are bullshitting you so they can sell their bullshit products. Trust me, many of them are asking me for help on how to do things.

Originally Posted by howard_hughes

Not really, the hardest part is getting the traffic

Thats why you need good keyword research to find the keywords so you can rank well and it has more than 1 search a day to get the traffic. When you are on good rank you traffic automatically.

And in this case hes asking about MNS and getting them ranked like people say " i make xxx sites month" and then get them on first page to get the traffic. Gonna be hell of a job to get traffic outside SEs for few K of sites...

ofc you can make minisite for keyword forex for example, but you will never rank with it. Also you can make site for "weer can i has banana for cheep" , easy to rank probably but your traffic will suck.

If you didin't yet understand i hope someone can explain better

I made a couple MNS as a test and positioned them to the first pages of googles search, however, these aren't a gold mine yet. They haven't come close to averaging a dollar a day but I will build maybe another 8 or so and see what happens in a month. They might need more time.

i started 1 new micro-niche site end nov and am making average $3 - $5 a day from it. when times are good, i can easily make $10 a day from it too.

for me, the toughest part is to write and spin the articles. i am poor in english and i spent so much time on writing the articles. i am confident in keyword research and getting traffic.

if u ask me, i would advise to do a little of everything u learn here. use softwares to help you rather than doing everything manual.

- social bookmark
- linkwheel
- article marketing
- microblogging
- rss submit
- backlinks

i believe in $5 a micro-niche site and to build 20 of them.

yes, it is still possible to do micro-niches with adsense.

I just created 5 sites last week and after 2 days my 1st site is already in the first page of google on its main keyword. Now there are 3 of them in the top 10 and Im now earning A BIT from them but I think the real money comes when they are already in the top 3...

Keyword research I think is the key in here..

the idea of 1-4 page sites are dead, anything less than 20 pages is considered pure MFA site, and u'll either get adsense account banned or deindexed

Originally Posted by juniormn

the idea of 1-4 page sites are dead, anything less than 20 pages is considered pure MFA site, and u'll either get adsense account banned or deindexed

How do you figure? Are you saying that 1-4 page sites such as setting up hubpages, or any other web 2.0 site is a looser? Get real dude. If that was the case there wouldnt be so many one page sites (web 2.0) sites ranking at all.

to those who said that they really are earning from MNS, could post your earnings here? you can blur out the other details if you want.

1-4 page sites will not get deindexed or adsense account banned.

however, over time, the ranking will drop cos lack of new content.

I read the same posts too dude.
Got quite excited at the good responses and simplicity...

unfortunately for these very reasons - its not gonna be true...

its pretty hit and miss with the niches and keywords. Now millions of MFA are already in the serps.

seriously do you think john and the others would give the world their little gold mine?

would you if you had such a great money earner?
would you seriously give it away to the masses if it was that simple?

sorry....

you will work your tail off for a few bucks a day...
ranking these sites is a lot harder now...

well as someone said above keyword research is the vital part in building Micro Sites. It is not as easy as some so called guru's mention in their product sales page.

the concept is people must search for the 'keyword' on which Micro Sites are built and that too 'keyword' must count 200 - 300 searches daily , then only for being in the top ten the micro site gets acceptable traffic.

it is hard to find type of 'keywords' i mentioned above. believe me i failed three times (three micro sites). so i gave up.

Originally Posted by mikie46

How do you figure? Are you saying that 1-4 page sites such as setting up hubpages, or any other web 2.0 site is a looser? Get real dude. If that was the case there wouldnt be so many one page sites (web 2.0) sites ranking at all.

Holy shit! a hub page is not a site on it's own! It's a page on the domain hubpages.com - a huge authority domain. The same as almost all web 2.0 properties, that's why they rank. This discussion is about ranking your own domain.
Here's my experience. It's massivly hit and miss. Out of 10 sites you may get 1or 2 that rank and get $1a day. There are huge unknowns - estimating traffic and competition is very difficult as googles figures are wildly innacurate and assessing serp competition is an artform in itself.
The other thing is that this technique is becoming VERY saturated, these micro sites are everywhere now. This doesn't mean that you can't compete - you just build way
more backlinks.
I am personally building much bigger sites now, aiming for 20-30 pages of FANTASTIC content - the kind of site google will love to include in it's index, NOT spam. Think about it, google is slowly but surely refining it's algo and it WILL clean out the spam. The MNS method is doomed coz if it's not saturation that kills it, it will be googles quality filter.
My advice.
Get a good keyword domain that allows loads of related subkeywords to be made into pages. Treat each of these pages as a MNS.
Research your niche and become an EXPERT. Write Top notch content that will attract natural links.
Accept that the niche will have some competition - stop looking for a deserted corner of the Internet.
Be patient, keep White hat, have faith build a large quality site that you are proud of and you will keep for years
build it for the visitor and not the CTR
Be prepared to work hard and lower your expectations of how much you will earn and how easy it will be.

The Internet is changing, it's maturing. Understand where it's going and what it wants. SPAM is dead. Stop wasting your time and start thinking QUALITY
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it works,man.
trust me.
u can do it yourself. just use micro niche finder where you can find on Google, cuz its on the DNS list. if you need any help, just PM me, try me best to help you.
cheers.

I'm doing my own one pager project so be on the lookout for the results.

Why can't it work?

As long as your content makes perfect English sense, Google won't give you trouble.

If I found a cure for cancer and make a one page website for it, it would be stupid for Google to tick this off as SPAM.

If I found a cure for cancer and make a one page website for it, it would be stupid for Google to tick this off as SPAM.

If you found a cure for cancer the backlinks would be coming out of your ears!!

Good content isn't just about good English. The only way that Google has of measuring how 'good' content is, is to look at how popular it is. They don't manually visit every page and read it and then say "oh yeah that's really good I like that, let's push it up the SERP's a bit", they have to MEASURE everything and the way they measure is to look at who is linking to it - quality, number and relevance of links.

Your cure for cancer would attract links that we could only DREAM of and google would recognise this and rank it accordingly. We as 'search engine manipulators' usually look to build these links ourselves because our content isn't good enough on its own, or we don't have the funds to promote it. You could write a 1 page site and get some awesome backlinks and rank easily. Google also looks at how fresh the content is though and so you may suffer as time goes on.

You have the right idea though by doing your own testing - at the end of the day we all sit here and talk as though we KNOW it all, me included, but we DONT - it's a black box and its always changing - the only way to know for sure is to try it yourself. Good luck

Let get real.... its ain't that easy as what you have read in those ebooks. First of all, you need to get into at least the 1st page, but most of the time, only the top 3 or top 5 really got the most traffic.

Keyword selection

Its not easy to earn that $1 per day per site. You need to have at least 100 searches on exact match while not much completion on the 1st page of google for that keyword.

When i am talking about searching for the "golden nugget", i am saying you have to physically check on the top 10 for their no. of backlinks, their title, H1 tags and so on.... its not about just rely on some figures like less than 50k of SEOC or SEOCTC to determine their difficulty level.

Most people do not really understand how to pick keyword with low competition and of course, 9 out of 10 times, they picked up something which is tough for them to rank in first page of google. Most ebooks don't really give sufficient case study on how to pick good keywords.

Backlinks

I believed those ebooks only mentioned you just need to do simple backlinks submission to achieve that page 1 of google for your keyword.

Sad....but the truth is...it is not that straight forward.

For example, if you are doing article submission involving submitting to ezinearticle and other article directories targeting the only main keyword. You might achieved the 1st page in a month considered you have done the correct keyword selection. Most often, you will find that your rank start dropping after the 3rd or 4th month and it won't return anymore. Most people will just advice you not to worry and most likely its due to "google dance", and you got no choice but to accept it.

You know what.... in actual fact, its how you target your website and your anchor text. The vital part of those information are often not included. Most people who just follow what they read in those ebooks are often not making any money because the crucial part (or the real secret) is often left out.

Pls don't be so naive as to think those who claimed to make $100/ day willing to sell the money secret for just $47 dollars per ebook. Either they don't really make that $100 per day or they just left out some vital information.

My advice to those really want to earn money online:
Learn from the basic, from basic SEO to advance level. Ebooks only give you ideas or blueprint of a business plan. You have to use your knowledge and put in a twist to make money. Don't follow blindly.

And for those who think single page or "thin" content website don't stay in ranking, sorry, you are wrong. Google rank page, not website. In general, those who keep adding content also build backlinks onto their new pages while those who don't update their content at all also hardly build new backlinks to their page. Once you understand those basic, money opportunity will open up for you.

It's really not that hard at all.

With a little investment to speed things up you can get a really good site going.

The key is the user's experience.

Also, forget adsense, use affiliate marketing products. Use Google keyword tool to find querys that need a solution, then provide an informative and genuinely helpful site which also provides a solution to their problem.

I agree with you husker999.. it is always better to try earning using manual checking and manual seo so youll understand how those softwares work or if they really work.

And also regarding in those ebooks, I dont think there are still heroes nowadays that are willing to give away their treasures. Sure they left out important pieces that they can still use for themselves or something they can sell again in another ebook. Making money online is not easy as it is written in those books.

Regarding on the 1-4 pages site that dont stay in ranking I also object to this one. There are lot of websites out there, mostly company websites that are not in the web or IT field which created a website just for the sake of having an online presence. I think G is not dumb to ignore those cases.

Originally Posted by Daved

I built loads of MNS sites did some minor SEO as soon as they earned commissions and got first page rankings I sold them all with 3 weeks wash rinse and repeat. Do I care if G then drops them from the SERPs no of course I dont. Get them to the top 3 and sell or while your doing that get camtasia and make a case study and sell it.

I recently started dabbling with this. I sold one of my sites which made $250-$300 per month for just under $5000.

It really works, however for me personally i want to build my recurring income.

Couldnt agree more. The real secret in my opinion is in analyzing the competition for the top 10 results for your keyword. No ebook I have read so far on making money with adsense properly teaches that. Sure, a keyword might only have "XX,XXX" exact matches in quotes but often this misguides you as to how easy/difficult the keyword will be to rank for. If you dont know the strength of your competition you are fighting a losing battle right from the start.

I read a good post on BHW about analyzing the competition, but never in any ebook. says a lot about those ebooks

Originally Posted by husker999

Let get real.... its ain't that easy as what you have read in those ebooks. First of all, you need to get into at least the 1st page, but most of the time, only the top 3 or top 5 really got the most traffic.

Keyword selection

Its not easy to earn that $1 per day per site. You need to have at least 100 searches on exact match while not much completion on the 1st page of google for that keyword.

When i am talking about searching for the "golden nugget", i am saying you have to physically check on the top 10 for their no. of backlinks, their title, H1 tags and so on.... its not about just rely on some figures like less than 50k of SEOC or SEOCTC to determine their difficulty level.

Most people do not really understand how to pick keyword with low competition and of course, 9 out of 10 times, they picked up something which is tough for them to rank in first page of google. Most ebooks don't really give sufficient case study on how to pick good keywords.

Backlinks

I believed those ebooks only mentioned you just need to do simple backlinks submission to achieve that page 1 of google for your keyword.

Sad....but the truth is...it is not that straight forward.

For example, if you are doing article submission involving submitting to ezinearticle and other article directories targeting the only main keyword. You might achieved the 1st page in a month considered you have done the correct keyword selection. Most often, you will find that your rank start dropping after the 3rd or 4th month and it won't return anymore. Most people will just advice you not to worry and most likely its due to "google dance", and you got no choice but to accept it.

You know what.... in actual fact, its how you target your website and your anchor text. The vital part of those information are often not included. Most people who just follow what they read in those ebooks are often not making any money because the crucial part (or the real secret) is often left out.

Pls don't be so naive as to think those who claimed to make $100/ day willing to sell the money secret for just $47 dollars per ebook. Either they don't really make that $100 per day or they just left out some vital information.

My advice to those really want to earn money online:
Learn from the basic, from basic SEO to advance level. Ebooks only give you ideas or blueprint of a business plan. You have to use your knowledge and put in a twist to make money. Don't follow blindly.

And for those who think single page or "thin" content website don't stay in ranking, sorry, you are wrong. Google rank page, not website. In general, those who keep adding content also build backlinks onto their new pages while those who don't update their content at all also hardly build new backlinks to their page. Once you understand those basic, money opportunity will open up for you.

1-5 pages might be OK for 3 months or so i'm not saying you have to set up 20 pages and only then publish it, I suggest to start with 3-5 pages and then add 1 page every few weeks. I read somewhere that even john's (xfactor) sites has minimum of 30 pages.

Originally Posted by lesaurus

If you found a cure for cancer the backlinks would be coming out of your ears!!

Good content isn't just about good English. The only way that Google has of measuring how 'good' content is, is to look at how popular it is. They don't manually visit every page and read it and then say "oh yeah that's really good I like that, let's push it up the SERP's a bit", they have to MEASURE everything and the way they measure is to look at who is linking to it - quality, number and relevance of links.

Your cure for cancer would attract links that we could only DREAM of and google would recognise this and rank it accordingly. We as 'search engine manipulators' usually look to build these links ourselves because our content isn't good enough on its own, or we don't have the funds to promote it. You could write a 1 page site and get some awesome backlinks and rank easily. Google also looks at how fresh the content is though and so you may suffer as time goes on.

You have the right idea though by doing your own testing - at the end of the day we all sit here and talk as though we KNOW it all, me included, but we DONT - it's a black box and its always changing - the only way to know for sure is to try it yourself. Good luck

That was my point exactly. 1 pager website is not SPAM and Google has no way of telling quality from non-quality content.

Google even made a public announcement that even if your content is good, Google won't rank it unless other people link to it.

Lol, i m trying a lot to get an adsense account approved but it sucks...damn ):

Right, thought I would wade in with some stats of my own here - so the OP can make an informed decision of whether he would like to get involved.

Let me start off right away and pronounce that Im certainly not making the $1 a day as suggested - however, what I have seen so far, I do think it can be done - but certainly it takes some effort - and my suggestion is that don't chase down too many keywords - do the sites, and do the backlinking, whilst the SERPS are settling, then do another site.

So , stats as follows: Ive got 30-40 domains that Ive registered - but only 5 that Ive actually put some content on:

All sites were created from about 15 Dec, quite slowly as I do this part-time (must also add that it took around 5 days to index properly from site setup until the site "settled" into its settle ranking..)

Site1 - Google Ranking (8)
Site2 - Google Ranking (1)
Site3 - Google Ranking (4)
Site4 - Google Ranking (12)
Site5 - Google Ranking (16)

How much have I made - about $1 across all the sites. Have done like 1 article for 1 site, a bit of social bookmarking for another, nothing (if you can believe it) for the Google 1st ranked site (but this was really not well researched and veers from the XFactor method somewhat ) so would not expect much traffic from it - in fact its probably like that how to buy a banana site.... haha

So what Im saying - with some effective backlinking - Im sure these sites could all push into the top fold - and then Ill have to get back to you to see whether the traffic is as per Google's analysis. As in life or any other method that you do - there is no quick fix , ranking and getting the traffic is the most difficult part.

So you can literally put in the effort with any site/method, and if its consistently done, I reckon you would see results. The problem with people is that they dont follow through...
Ive see so many of these similar sites that don't even have the content loaded - theyre just a shell for now - maybe the owners will get to them, maybe not!!

My advice - take action on 1 site - test it, what works, what doesnt... backlink the hell out of it - do articles work, does SB work, does blog commenting work? test them all, and see what results you get.
If it works, then scale it up.

why should i redirect my targeted visitors with adsense when i could easily make some money selling physical products. i personally do better without adsense.
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I have a MNS that's making 6 bucks a day, although I suspect it is seasonal. Between all my sites (only a few that make money) I'm making just over a hundred bucks a month. Not much but it pays for Link Dozer and I'm going to really scale things up once I wrap my head around that.

I do a lot with MNS's, though I almost never use them for Adsense type earnings but rather to promote affiliate offers or as entry points into my larger niche funnels...but, I can still speak from experience on building and ranking them to get organic traffic.

As has been said over and over here, keyword research is the key to success or failure with a MNS. You've got to find low competition terms that actually get searched for so that you can rank high. In my experience, you must be in the top 3 on the first page. Position 4 or lower and you're dead in the water.

The reasoning is simple, these keywords that have a low enough competition level aren't getting a ton of search traffic to begin with, and most of it is going to the top 3 listings in the results.

But, just finding a term that meets the competition and search traffic levels is only half the battle of keyword research with MNS's. The other half is ensuring that the 'user intent' of someone typing in that search term is what you'll need to make some cash depending on what you're promoting.

For example, I remember getting excited a long time ago about the traffic and competition levels of the semi-short long tail term, "how to hair". At that time the traffic was like over 30,000 per month exact match, and the competition was under 30,000 total.

I was sure that term would kick ass for me by expanding on it and building a MNS around hair care products (curling irons and so on) with Amazon affiliate links. The variants being used with the term in search were things like "how to hair straightening", "how to hair curling" and etc., so it seemed sound.

So I built a site, invested a lot of time into creating a great looking MNS with plenty of original content and building lots of backlinks for it. I got it into the top 5 for every term I targeted, top 3 for most of them, was getting great daily traffic...and made almost nothing from it after 3 full months of trying.

What went wrong? The people searching those terms weren't looking to buy anything, they wanted "how to" guides, not products. Their intent wasn't to spend money, so I made almost no money from them.

Even though the traffic and competition levels were fine, I had picked a bad keyword term to chase because of the user intent.

Whether you're using MNS's for affiliate products or Adsense, the problem is the same. Information seekers aren't going to buy affiliate products and they aren't going to click on ads for products either at a good rate, if the user intent is purely informational you're not going to score much revenue from that traffic.

However, if you find terms that have the right traffic and competition levels, plus have a user intent of making a purchase, then you can earn with your affiliate offers or Adsense ads.

Having said all of that, it doesn't mean that terms with a purely informational user intent aren't valuable too. They are, just not for immediate actions. When you find an informational term with good traffic and competition levels, that's an opportunity to grab leads in a market. Rather than trying to use it for affiliate sales or Adsense, create a mailing list and use it to promote signups.

The traffic you'll be getting on these terms is hungry for information, so give them some good stuff on your page and then promise them even more good information with your newsletter if they just type in their email and hit 'submit'.

It's a great way to list build if you think you can target that market later with some good offers.

One tip I have for finding good keywords that can be profitable, is to research product name and options combos (like "canon rebel xti lenses") and make sure that Universal search doesn't screw you on them. If the top results are non-Universal listings and the traffic/competition levels are good, then you've got a term with 'buyer intent' to chase.

Anyway, that's my experience with mini-sites or MNS's for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by Daved

The next load of rubbish I keep hearing is that Gurus dont give away anything in ebooks, again crap. Yes some ebooks are a complete waste of space but I from my personal experience made a lot of money following Nick The Niche Market *****'s courses as well as many others. I also know countless people who have made real money by using John xfactors book. Its really unfair to say you cant learn nothing from an ebook, before I buy an ebook or a course I always email the author and ask some questions to get an idea of the type of person they are before I buy one such person was Kevin Riley who I had an hour long chat with over skype before I bought a $15 product from him. I have went on to meet and be trained by Nick The Niche Market ***** and he is truly a genuine person who you could learn a lot from. A lot of these Gurus believe or not are real people and very approachable. Give a chance guys before you knock it.

I am not sure if the above is answered pertaining to my post on earlier. Don't be mistaken that all ebooks sux or waste of time...no, i don't mean that. What i am trying to say is most ebooks don't really teaches you everything you need to know about earning money online . There is always a "missing link".

To fill up this "missing link" there are few ways to do it. Either you get yourself a reliable mentor that guide you from zero to hero or you can keep trying and fill the "missing link" with your experience.

Reading ebooks is always necessary to keep yourself update with ideas and knowledge. Most ebooks are rehashed information (of course there are good one around), but as long as i get to learn something new from it or get to know a certain useful website from the ebook, i am satisfied.

The trouble with chasing specific product terms such as "panasonic 42ln4000 plasma" is that they become old hat within a matter of months. The next model comes out and then everyone starts looking for that - who wants last years plasma?

Originally Posted by lesaurus

The trouble with chasing specific product terms such as "panasonic 42ln4000 plasma" is that they become old hat within a matter of months. The next model comes out and then everyone starts looking for that - who wants last years plasma?

So just create a site "Panasonic-plasma-tv.com" or whatever and reguarly update it with the latest panasonic plasma tvs.

Think bigger.

Doing it this way is less effort and more £££

Trust ME I Have 120 websites and its killing my BUTT to maintain them...I still make more money with 5 websites I have than with those 105 websites.
This was me last year.

I have a few Micro-Nicher's that are about a year old. One gets somewhat consistent traffic, although not much. (Less than 10 hits a day.) It's made me about $75 in the past year. However, after the initial setup I pretty much just left it alone, maybe a couple of tweaks to add a bit more content. The money, incidentally, comes from affiliate sales not adsense, which I don't bother checking anymore.

Coincidentally, a complete overhaul of my Nicher's is on my to-do list. With proper attention, they could certainly be making more money.

Originally Posted by lesaurus

The trouble with chasing specific product terms such as "panasonic 42ln4000 plasma" is that they become old hat within a matter of months. The next model comes out and then everyone starts looking for that - who wants last years plasma?

You'd be surprised, not everybody can afford Brand New items.

Originally Posted by silent_thunder

Trust ME I Have 120 websites and its killing my BUTT to maintain them...I still make more money with 5 websites I have than with those 105 websites.
This was me last year.

80/20 rule, my friend.

Originally Posted by scb335

But, just finding a term that meets the competition and search traffic levels is only half the battle of keyword research with MNS's. The other half is ensuring that the 'user intent' of someone typing in that search term is what you'll need to make some cash depending on what you're promoting.

For example, I remember getting excited a long time ago about the traffic and competition levels of the semi-short long tail term, "how to hair". At that time the traffic was like over 30,000 per month exact match, and the competition was under 30,000 total.

I was sure that term would kick ass for me by expanding on it and building a MNS around hair care products (curling irons and so on) with Amazon affiliate links. The variants being used with the term in search were things like "how to hair straightening", "how to hair curling" and etc., so it seemed sound.

So I built a site, invested a lot of time into creating a great looking MNS with plenty of original content and building lots of backlinks for it. I got it into the top 5 for every term I targeted, top 3 for most of them, was getting great daily traffic...and made almost nothing from it after 3 full months of trying.

What went wrong? The people searching those terms weren't looking to buy anything, they wanted "how to" guides, not products. Their intent wasn't to spend money, so I made almost no money from them.

Even though the traffic and competition levels were fine, I had picked a bad keyword term to chase because of the user intent.

Whether you're using MNS's for affiliate products or Adsense, the problem is the same. Information seekers aren't going to buy affiliate products and they aren't going to click on ads for products either at a good rate, if the user intent is purely informational you're not going to score much revenue from that traffic.

this is a good example of a happy clusterfuck, IE:everything right, but non-paying traffic.

you did everything correctly and if anything it was a learning experience. in these situation, I use affiliate programs and route the traffic to them ( CJ has a few hair products )

another keyword that is exactly like this is "tattoo" ton's of volume, but crappy conversions.

the end results for these types of sites is to keep building them until they have authority, then use them carefully for good linking. a pr3 site link is worth 100's of pr1 links in worth of value.

Originally Posted by juniormn

the idea of 1-4 page sites are dead, anything less than 20 pages is considered pure MFA site, and u'll either get adsense account banned or deindexed

if that was the case I would be dead in the water. but just in case let's define what might be 4 pages.

the 4 pages that I start with are
1 focus keyword page
3 sub-keyword page
then we have
Privacy page
FAQ
Contact Us
then I like to include a picture page with just photo's of something.

that's the start.
work to get that up to first page before I invest any more resources towards it.

I might get sandboxed, but it's not a big deal, that just means that I won't see results of my work for about 3 months instead of 3 weeks.

Originally Posted by silent_thunder

Trust ME I Have 120 websites and its killing my BUTT to maintain them...I still make more money with 5 websites I have than with those 105 websites.
This was me last year.

as someone said, 80/20 rule... but let me offer this advice

the 20% that are making the money, apply 50% of your resources ( time, energy, and allocated investment income ) towards them. doing this is called protecting your investment ( it's a defensive measure, like building a deep mote ).

Then take the lowest 20% earners, and apply the 25% of the resources, what this does is take non-earners and make them earners, it hits the bottom line rather nicely ( it's a game of pennies. and I call this stage 'building a foundation' )

apply the rest of the resources equally across the other properties. ( 'improving the fort' )

what happens over time is that everything moves up slowly, and the top earners today will rotate towards the middle and the higher income sites will site for a long time at the top.

Also 1 added benefit is that those that invest in seasonal keywords, a site sitting in the middle will go to the top during season, at that time you are defending the web site, once season stops, it drops back down toward improvement.

Il be creating loads of auto niche sites over the coming weeks. I've decided to forget about adsense for now. To much hassle with adsense account etc.

With updating content and some good traffic strategies, I'll surely make a few sales per site per month.

Might go the clickbank route or else ebay/amazon. Leaves the door open for cookie stuffing if I decide to get into that too.

I have about 8 micro niche blogs and three of them are producing anywhere from $5 to $16 a combined. None of the three rank in the top 5 on the first page so I imagine as I work to move up earnings will increase.

Keyword research goes fast with Market Samurai or MNF and i spend most of my time building backlinks and creating content. Once they are indexed I see the other keywords that people are using to find my sites and create content around them.

I have 28 MNS and the majority of them earn better than 1.00 daily. It is work to get them in a good position with the search engines but you can outsource that or automate it.

I make a new one about every other week now using MNF for the most part and I always make sites about something that is interesting to me with only one exception. I made a site about a certain kitchen product that my wife finds interesting. Problem with that was that I do all the writing for the sites and I have no interest in this particular kitchen product.

All my sites have the same look and feel, my own design, and have 6 pages. MAin page, four article pages and a privacy page.

I back link them, write a couple of articles for ezine, make some opened link wheels and move on.

It does work but it requires work and you really would be well served choosing topics that interest you.