I've put a couple of sites up to get a feel for it, but I'm having trouble getting ranked for my target phrase. I'm getting ranked for various long tail phrases and some I never even planned to target, but my main ones never seem to get higher then page 8-10. I've been doing mostly article marketing and some bookmarking, and for one site I even tried a small link wheel of web 2.0 sites, but I just can't hit page one, or even two. The sites have been live for about a month now, but I'm not seeing any change. Is there something else I should be doing? I checked the competition beforehand and it doesn't seem like it should be this hard.

Originally Posted by superdude222

I've put a couple of sites up to get a feel for it, but I'm having trouble getting ranked for my target phrase. I'm getting ranked for various long tail phrases and some I never even planned to target, but my main ones never seem to get higher then page 8-10. I've been doing mostly article marketing and some bookmarking, and for one site I even tried a small link wheel of web 2.0 sites, but I just can't hit page one, or even two. The sites have been live for about a month now, but I'm not seeing any change. Is there something else I should be doing? I checked the competition beforehand and it doesn't seem like it should be this hard.

Have you done the simple things such as use H1 tag; put the keyword phrase at the beginning of the TITLE tag and at the beginning of the homepage content too?

can anybody recommend a wordpress theme that simulates xfactor's html setup? i can't seem to find one that meets the criteria.

Originally Posted by boozie

can anybody recommend a wordpress theme that simulates xfactor's html setup? i can't seem to find one that meets the criteria.

IMO, no need for WordPress.

Just use XsitePro.

I am also curious on an up to date results after Black Friday/Cyber Monday tomorrow.. Great idea for a goal and sounds like a fun project.

Originally Posted by muchacho

Have you done the simple things such as use H1 tag; put the keyword phrase at the beginning of the TITLE tag and at the beginning of the homepage content too?

Yep, all of that plus well written SEO content. Guess I'll just keep adding some more backlinks and hope for the best.

Ive done this also with 1 site to see. The SOC is 0 and very easy to rank for. I can rank 3 for yahoo but Google isnt indexing me after a few weeks. Anyone think of any ideas why? Yes I have followed his course to a T and have gone through to make sure I have all the pages correct.

Originally Posted by realgreeny1232

Ive done this also with 1 site to see. The SOC is 0 and very easy to rank for. I can rank 3 for yahoo but Google isnt indexing me after a few weeks. Anyone think of any ideas why? Yes I have followed his course to a T and have gone through to make sure I have all the pages correct.

Have you a Google Webmaster account and have you set up a Sitemap.xml and submitted it to Google via the webmaster account?

Have you social bookmarked the site and got a few back links at places which you know Google frequently visits, such as adding a link to Twitter.

YES I have a sitemap, pinged all my pages, pinged my backlinks. what kind of social bookmarks?

Originally Posted by realgreeny1232

YES I have a sitemap, pinged all my pages, pinged my backlinks. what kind of social bookmarks?

Stumbleupon
Digg

2 that I'd start with.

hope u can :P

on research i dont think this xfactor method will last forever, i have seen a lot of sites made with this method that violate googles TOS and they are all made with similar templates and are easy to spot. some of them are almost like grey spam, as general advice this is spot on stuff, make a load of good blogs and enjoy the profit but the content has to be useful. I'm not knocking the op, his advice has been educational to me but make this method your own, use your own templates, dont make false claims on sites "this site will bring you x products" when it will only show adsense.
One of my blogs just made $107 last month, i dont touch it, it has 25 pages of around 300 words all made in a natural way before i new shit about SEO, most of it was adsense but some was affiliate crap.
As with all methods, copying will get you nowhere, creativity will get you everywhere!

I'm making my own wikipedia using xfactor's method lol.

when using spyfu as recommended by xfactor, do you find that any of your sites generate more adsense click-thrus's on average than what is stated in their stats once they start generating traffic?

Hello fellow black-hatters! My break was awesome I went went my family to L.A over the thanksgiving holiday....we flew out Thursday morning and went sight seeing...and Friday I did a little online shopping before we caught a train back home (2 day ride) And I must say you haven't truly slept good unless you've slept on a train before lol

I didnt get anything new done I just took a much needed break from the internet...I didnt even bring my laptop

I hope you all are doing well on your projects.

Since I been out for a while and havent been able to answer any questions...please post any questions that you want to ask and I will try to answer all of them that I can

Originally Posted by hotboy2111

I create my own feeds after Im done with my backlinking then submit my link feeds

Thanks for the info bro!

May you explain to me how you create your own feeds? Noob question,sowwy..lol!

P.S. you inspire me a lot!

Originally Posted by realgreeny1232

YES I have a sitemap, pinged all my pages, pinged my backlinks. what kind of social bookmarks?

1. Do five articles with quality content using your primary keyword and submit it to Ezine.
2. Wait once its published to Ezine (usually a week depending on your account)
3. Once 5 articles are published in Ezine you have 10 links pointing to your site.
4. Rewrite this five articles and submit it to Goarticles.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
This process should index your site in one week or faster if done properly.
Make sure that you vary your anchor text and URL links throughout the articles. Lets say link 1 using your "main keyword" linked to the actual post then Link 2 use "related keyword" linked to your homepage.

Hope this helps~

hersaccharine- So you write 5 articles and 5 rewrites for every couple of pages you're trying to SEO? That seems like a lot of content to have written, does everyone else here do that also?

Originally Posted by christop

hersaccharine- So you write 5 articles and 5 rewrites for every couple of pages you're trying to SEO? That seems like a lot of content to have written, does everyone else here do that also?

You could outsource the 5 articles (probably cost something like 10$) and then spin the 5 articles (for GoArticles) yourself by using PAR.

Personally, I only now consider outsourcing if I feel the niche is a very good niche - like easy competition and >10,000 searches a month.
Else, I write the content myself.

Think about it - it might take a couple of hours to write the articles, but if, once your site is up, it's making even 1$ a day, it's been worthwhile hasn't it? 30$ a month might not seem like much, but times that by 20-30... or in this thread's case, 300! It's worth the work in the early days.

As you earn more... then the amount of outsourcing you do can increase.

Yeah, I agree with muchacho - I outsourced a few of my articles for my first site, and with a lot of these sites the shit you are writing about is almost so pointless you dont even know how to begin to write about it. BUT if you DO start writing, it is funny how things just come to your mind and next thing you know you have a 400-500 word article and it has only been 20 or 30 minutes. I would rather take the time to do 4 or 5 articles myself rather than wasting the start up money to outsource writing. Don't outsource unless you have the money i.e. wait for your first check from a*sense and dont spend a dime of it on anything else other than RE-INVESTING now into articles and link buildind services. Now you have taken that check, and re invested it, and it saved you time, and time is money, so ceteris paribus, it saved you money (because you are now going to make more!). - Smart investments - something a lot of Americans just dont F'ing understand!

Originally Posted by techit99

I have about 10 sites up at the moment, a couple are ranking OK but that's it. I did have one get upto number 4 but quickly got shot down. I think it's because I has Sony in the URL, but we'll see.

MY QUESTION.
How long do you se it takes for all your backlinks to take affect?

I have PM'd a few services on here for social bookmarking and backlinks, etc that seem quite cheap but no one has come back to me yet.

The backlinking is killing me for time, it's very hard to stay focused with linking when you could be doing something more exciting like Niche Finder.

Would be good to see an update of where you are also hotboy?

• We take 6 days to comlete the links, but as far as to how long it takes for links to take effect it depends on what you do to them such as pinging, bookmarking, and submitting rss feeds.
• Im starting back up this week, but I havent gotten anything done in the past two weeks

Originally Posted by techit99

I've actually just seen your signature.

I'll take some of your backlink offer if that's ok. PM me if it's still going. I will take 50 to start.

Do they come with anchor text, etc?

yes they do

I'm sorry, I know this a noob question but here it goes. Is backlinking something you have to do on each site forever or is it a one time thing and you never have to backlink the site again?

You will probably always have to increase your backlinks. It depends on how competitive your niche is and how your site is performing.

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ml#post1328159

check out this thread. this guy just got banned. OP what steps are you taking to not get banned?

Originally Posted by callmelucid

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ml#post1328159

check out this thread. this guy just got banned. OP what steps are you taking to not get banned?

Or not just the OP - anybody who is undertaking this.

I'm sure people who are banned, are making their sites look obvious... like you look on the site and its full of useless information.

My 2 pence worth is that you have to make the content at least semi-helpful, with maybe a link to Amazon or something (non live hyperlink, so it doesn't drain page rank, perhaps?).

Also, use multiple Adsense accounts.

Originally Posted by christop

hersaccharine- So you write 5 articles and 5 rewrites for every couple of pages you're trying to SEO? That seems like a lot of content to have written, does everyone else here do that also?

You are not required to rewrite each content on your blog. But by doing so you will increase the authority of your site on that certain niche. Try writing five unique articles as a start and submit it to Ezine.

Ten articles is not too much if you will ask me,lol!
That is why a lot of people outsource their article writing and submission to article directories.

Originally Posted by hersaccharine

You are not required to rewrite each content on your blog. But by doing so you will increase the authority of your site on that certain niche. Try writing five unique articles as a start and submit it to Ezine.

Ten articles is not too much if you will ask me,lol!
That is why a lot of people outsource their article writing and submission to article directories.

I agree.

Write 5 unique articles and get them accepted at Ezine.
Once these are accepted by all means 'spin' them and submit the spun articles at other article directories - perhaps each spun article linking back to:
a) Your original Ezine article (helps your Ezine Article get ranked higher)
b) Your main website.

Then you can blast the spun, accepted articles all you like.
These are the ones you spam the hell out of, because they are only 'doorway pages' to your main articles (Ezine) and main Moneysite.

I wouldn't spam or do any other blackhat technique with these 2 at all.

Originally Posted by callmelucid

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackha...ml#post1328159

check out this thread. this guy just got banned. OP what steps are you taking to not get banned?

i just waiting when many people come here and crying about their adsense acc was banned. it seems to be fun.

still waiting.

Right now I'm on clickbank adventure...
But I find this method can be use for cb as well... with a little tweak of course...

Originally Posted by wgn_white

Right now I'm on clickbank adventure...
But I find this method can be use for cb as well... with a little tweak of course...

Correct me if your experience says otherwise, but the main difference I would assume, is that the content needs to be better and more trusting for Affiliates such as CB, than the content purely made for Adsense.

As you're wanting people to believe the content and click through and purchase the product.

Originally Posted by muchacho

Correct me if your experience says otherwise, but the main difference I would assume, is that the content needs to be better and more trusting for Affiliates such as CB, than the content purely made for Adsense.

As you're wanting people to believe the content and click through and purchase the product.

as I said... with tweak...

instead of promoting adsense in those mfa site, you put your CB product which lead to your landing page that pre-sell the product.

This landing page of course not suppose to be a crappy content, this page should be your highest quality effort.

Or, you can directly redirect your domain to the product sales letter.

That's what I think.

Originally Posted by wgn_white

This landing page of course not suppose to be a crappy content, this page should be your highest quality effort.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts.

Do you guys backlink mainly to your money site or mainly to like ezinearticles with a link to your site when you are backlinking with Angela/Paul/social bookmarting ?

Originally Posted by christop

Do you guys backlink mainly to your money site or mainly to like ezinearticles with a link to your site when you are backlinking with Angela/Paul/social bookmarting ?

I back link the White Hat way to my money site
I back link the Grey/Black Hat way to my articles (which link to my money site).

Sorry to be a complete idiot, but what exactly determines White Hat from Grey/Black hat. I mean linkwheels are obviously black.. blog posts grey or black, but Angela/Paul links? Would those go under the white or grey category? And social bookmarking?

Originally Posted by christop

Sorry to be a complete idiot, but what exactly determines White Hat from Grey/Black hat. I mean linkwheels are obviously black.. blog posts grey or black, but Angela/Paul links? Would those go under the white or grey category? And social bookmarking?

I'd say Social Bookmarking is white hat, unless you're taking the piss and spamming it with every webpage/blog under the sun.

Blog Posts is White Hat if it's on topic and you genuinely have an interest in the subject. If you'r Spamming the blogs, it's then Blackhat in my opinion - which will be 99% of the time, I'm sure, for people aiming for backlinks.

Angela/Paul Links: Definitely not White Hat, as the aim is to set up profile links on forums, simply to get a back link.

Linkwheels: I don't do linkwheels, instead I write articles which may link to other related articles as well as back to my website. I'd say my method is greyhat because I'm doing it all for backlinks, not necessarily just for users to read and enjoy the content. But Linkwheels, yes is Blackhat.

this is really lucrative business BUT fear of being banned from Adsense, keeps me stay away from it. Wishing you all luck WHO still are running adsense on autoblogs TILL the time google catches you and .....

Originally Posted by jaan24

this is really lucrative business BUT fear of being banned from Adsense, keeps me stay away from it. Wishing you all luck WHO still are running adsense on autoblogs TILL the time google catches you and .....

I'm not doing autoblogs.

Simply static websites targeting keyword terms which have content and Adsense well placed.

As soon as I get what I think as a reasonable income from it, I'll go about getting a new Adsense account.

Originally Posted by christop

Sorry to be a complete idiot, but what exactly determines White Hat from Grey/Black hat. I mean linkwheels are obviously black.. blog posts grey or black, but Angela/Paul links? Would those go under the white or grey category? And social bookmarking?

There is no "exact" definition, but what difference does it make anyway?

Originally Posted by java

There is no "exact" definition, but what difference does it make anyway?

um... the likelihood of being banned from a certain affiliate program? knowing the difference could make or break your hard work? slipping up one time and loosing an adsense account that is making a legitimate $100/day that would devastate your income?

"what difference does it make?" lol...

I have multiple adsense accounts ( for my own reasons )

A safer method than having the family members ( IRS
looks at the income and will tax them accordingly ) open accounts is:
a register a company
then get a tax ID number
take $50 and open a business checking account
submit application to google ( which, I've never been denied )

total cost is about 350.00
time spent doing the legal up keep of each company 2 hours per month ( allocating expenses, allocating income, prorating .... )
time lost to closing books and sending information to accountant, about 10 hours in the close of yearly books process per 5 companies ( that's if you did your 2 hours every month otherwise it's a full day lost per company )

account should run you 700 to 1100 per 5 companies, another 1500 for your personal return.

now the upside : doing things right makes your life easy and the IRS is not a nightmare you want to do business with. Yes you'll pay about 28% of your income in taxes prior to the write offs, but this is a business, the longer you invest in it the longer you will make money off of it.

here is another upside : let's say you have 10 adsense accounts, each one in related to the respective field. when you are ready to sell an entire niche ( let's say 30 sites all about weight loss ) you can package the offer cleanly and sell off the business all with proof of income and tax reports.

buyers of business's pay a premium for accurate numbers and not guess's. At least that's what I have always noticed ( and that's how I buy things also )

good luck and I hope this bit of info has been insightful.

Billy Good "because I always bill them good"

Originally Posted by judson

I am totally new here, but this thread has been amazing. A huge thank you to the OP, and to all those who contributed and shared.

To those who asked, this is what Google says that you can have as many sites on one account as you want.

Code:

https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=9729

About multiple accounts, it seems that their main issue is that each payee be different. So, theoretically, you could assign different family members. That said, it might be easier to just register (or buy off the shelf), several different companies, just for this purpose. YMMV

I choose to read the entire thread again to pick up any hints that could be useful. I am really amazed by some of the negative responses and or lazyness that is presented by some posters.

Guys and Girls pay attention to the thread starter and you will make some serious money. his rules are simple and effective.

Rule 1) this is a business, therefor it requires you to treat it as such. that means to me that I have to dedicated time to it consistently.

Rule 2) He uses info domains, he has success with that, that does not mean that you can not do it with .com's or .net's. He found a way to keep his cost down ( 1.00 per domain ). Congrat's to him and those that understand how to do it with .info domains.

Rule 3) He uses a total of 4 Keywords IE: 4 pages of total content, 1page is the master keyword, 3 pages with 1 related keyword and the master keyword linking back to the home page

Rule 4) he uses a privacy policy and about us and ( i think ) a FAQ page.

Rule 5) he links using multiple tools that he developed and other tools that are in the download section.

Rule 6) He has his own template that he modified ( or self developed ) from a basic design found on BHW, there happens to be a lot of them here at BHW, look around and read the reviews.

Rule 7) He is treating his project like a business, he's reinvesting his money into the business and growing it out.

note a) he's not disclosing his websites, since like any smart business, he's protecting his investment from duplicators ( personally I think that was one heck of a smart move )

I am grateful that he has presented to the community so much information, the notes that I took give me an insight on how to improve my web sites.

Any Noob can take this set of instruction he's presented and bang out a daily adsense income of 21.00 with a small 168 investment within 6 weeks.

7 com site = $9 x 7 = 63.00
5 pages of content x 7 sites x $ 3.00 per page = 105.00
5 hours a work per web site per week for 2 weeks = 70 hours
1 hour per week per web site to maintain 4 weeks = 28 hours

starting week 7 you should be:
7 site x 3.00 per site per day = $ 21.00 per day average.
In 1 week you made 147.00
before you know it, your reinvesting your money and have a load of sites and your at a daily income of 210 ( that's 6300 per 30 days ).

Even if your broke the rule still applies
1 web site ( you have to have one left over somewhere )
spend the time and make the content, maintain the site to the best of the abilities you have. in 6 weeks you are banking 3.00 per day. Yes you might get your money in 90 days after you start, but the second you get that cash, you'll bang out another 4 sites, and it will keep on growing.


he's given you the map, now walk the walk.

Originally Posted by christop

Sorry to be a complete idiot, but what exactly determines White Hat from Grey/Black hat. I mean linkwheels are obviously black.. blog posts grey or black, but Angela/Paul links? Would those go under the white or grey category? And social bookmarking?

It's not so much what is what, but it's more how you implement whatever technique.

If it's useful to internet users, it's white, if it isn't, it's black.

Of course then you have to define what is useful and what isn't, but AI think we just got closer.

And that's also why there's grey hat as well, to allow for endless debate...!!!

While I have thanked him for his posts, I think Billygood hit the nail on the head here, and I will reiterate the thanks here. A lot of people are looking for a lottery win type of programme. I don't think that is possible. You need to treat such an effort like the business venture that it is. It will take time, effort, and like any business, creativity.

Again, I am truly inspired by this thread, and the other "100 sites by new year" thread too. I have some ideas, I have a few twists I will have, and I will be ready to get started on my effort quite soon. Hopefully by the new year.

Regarding adsense banning, I don't think google will necessarily ban you for having a lot of micro sites. They just need to add value. This is where your content comes in. It has to be good, and actually add value to visitors. Having been doing some article rewriting on DP for others, I can confidently say that 90% of the "keyword optimised" content out there is rubbish. It seems written for machines, and not for humans. Whenever I see a site like that, I hit the back button quicker and harder than Ali ^^^. That is no good, and I can see why google would ban such sites.

Billygood also wrote about using companies. I totally second that route. I had the same idea, and I will be splitting my microsites by genre, with each company holding only one genre. It makes so many things easier. Throw in the fact that you can write off a lot of corporate expenses before tax, and that the corporate tax rate is generally lower than personal income tax, and it really becomes a no brainer.

Plus, I want to go down the microsite route to test the water on specific niches, and the successful ones will eventually get promoted to a reference/destination/'bookmark worthy' supersite.

If the black hatter in you just won't quit, someone else suggested blackhatting your article directories, and only having white hat traffic to your site. Makes some sense. That said, adsense is

(a) not the only ad network
(b) not the only way of monetising your sites (some sites will not make adsense money, but earn in other ways)

You need to be creative, and while not necessarily thinking outside the box (if there is a box), make your site different, and a pleasure to visit.

On a related note, far too many people seem to be obsessed with

(a) SEO rankings and
(b) Traffic going through their sites

Some of the most profitable properties on the web might not rank too highly on either, but are highly profitable. Taking an extreme example ... online dating. Searching for 'free dating' on google.co.uk. OKCupid and PlentyOfFish spring to mind, but they do not make it to the results for page 1. Search for 'free classifieds', and Gumtree is only on #6. That said, I am sure all those sites make some serious bank every month.

SEO is useful, especially for small sites with no brand, and for new sites. That said, ranking highly on google will not guarantee you will be profitable. As you effort your sites, remember that the reason for having the site is to make mon£y.

Take an example. Keyword "golden widgets for acne". You could SEO it all you want, but if the content reads like it was written for a machine^^, visitors will not stay. If you sacrifice some of that obsessive SEO for an article a human visitor will want to read, you could plug an Amazon book (for commission) on Golden widgets at the end. You might sacrifice some traffic, but the viewers you get will stick around longer, and EARN you more.

some notes::
^^^
If I were google, one of the metrics I would use in deciding spam ranking of sites would be how much time people spent on that site before hitting the back button. Google are in the business of delivering value adding search to their users, and spammy sites that clearly diminish this value would (and should) get nixxed pretty quickly.

^^If you really want to have fun, take up some article rewritting job offers on GaF and the like. The spun or "optimised" articles as they call them are so blatant, and would be totally unappealing to any human visitor. Any reasonably experience internet user soon learns to spot them, and does not stick around.

^^As an example, (and a really nice example. I cannot off the top of my head remember the really atrocious ones. They are really bad) a human written article might write,
"People with acne should consider golden widgets for their ailment"
A (so called) SEO with *ahem* keyword density might read
"People with acne should consider golden widgets for acne, as golden widgets for acne is blah blah blah, and if you have not tried golden widgets for acne, then you really should try golden widgets for acne since golden widgets for acne is the best of all the treatments, beating all non golden widgets for acne treatments."