What does 'content by UK/US writer' & 'native UK/US writer' mean to you?

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Half of the content providers on here are offering or can guarantee the following;

'UK/US writer'
'Native UK/US content'
'Native UK/US writer'

However, whenever I request samples of their work, the content demonstrates a lack of sentence structuring alongside very little or no punctuation.

Here is a sample:

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Source:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/toughseox-premium-money-site-content-that-actually-gets-indexed-5-1000-words-by-uk-writers.1267565/https://toughseo.agency/are-you-expecting-too-much-from-your-toddler/
I haven't attained a degree in English language, yet I am a native speaker and here is how it should read.

I have a daughter who turned 5 last month. The days fly by as I run around after her, whether it’s waking her up, getting her dressed or taking her to school. The list goes on and-on!
 
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'The whole of the day'
:confused:

Service pricing 5$/1k.
That means the UK writer has to write over 3k words an hour to surpass minimum wage.
 
You can't expect high quality article for that price, its not appropriate to point out a single thread here.
 
kr200 said:
You can't expect high quality article for that price, its not appropriate to point out a single thread here.
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Agree, many other threads market themselves as native UK writers. Unfortunately this one appeared at the top of the list and appeared to advertise 'UK Native writer' heavily.
 
KingBoris said:
Half of the content providers on here are offering or can guarantee the following;

'UK/US writer'
'Native UK/US content'
'Native UK/US writer'

However, whenever I request samples of their work, the content demonstrates a lack of sentence structuring alongside very little or no punctuation.

Here is a sample:

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Source:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/t...s-indexed-5-1000-words-by-uk-writers.1267565/https://toughseo.agency/are-you-expecting-too-much-from-your-toddler/
I haven't attained a degree in English language, yet I am a native speaker and here is how it should read.

I have a daughter who turned 5 last month. The days fly by as I run around after her, whether it’s waking her up, getting her dressed or taking her to school. The list goes on and-on!
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I can't believe you read that far.
The first sentence said it all: "Being a woman. I know what a beautiful feeling it is, to see that you can bring a new life to this world. Who becomes the most precious human of your life.".
"Being a woman" - what an informative sentence.

Of course, they lie; I doubt any British person would write for less than $50/1000 words as it's not only writing but research as well. I just ignore those threads or actually hit "ignore" button on the user profile.
 
Hi,

As english isn't my native language, it's quite hard to judge for me (even if I can read newspapers in Englsih)...

I feel sorry to say that but coming from an seo oriented forum for me it means really good and fluent english while really optimized for seo ...

And sadly but clearly it's far, far away, from bhw standards ...

After all, we've got what we pay for ... (I'm talking for me)

But, in my pov, copywriting is a great skill that can't be cheap and which need a lot of experience (especially when talking about seo).
 
Just because you're native English doesn't mean you're a good writer. Maybe the service is lying or maybe not but I don't really think it matters in this case. For $5/1k that's actually far better quality than I'd expect.

If you want better quality writing, stop looking for "native" and start looking for experienced writers. And pay a lot more than $5.
 
SEOMadHatter said:
Just because you're native English doesn't mean you're a good writer. Maybe the service is lying or maybe not but I don't really think it matters in this case. For $5/1k that's actually far better quality than I'd expect.

If you want better quality writing, stop looking for "native" and start looking for experienced writers. And pay a lot more than $5.
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Exactly.

Native when it comes to writing means nothing and all that is - is a point of reference to the costings at least that's how I've always seen it.

If I wanted an "English writer" id be expecting to pay more than $5/1000
 
I'm from the UK.

I have bought enough content from BHW and I have to say I avoid it at all costs, content on BHW is probably the worst marketplace section in terms of standards... however this isn't BHW fault. There's no structure around content writing as to what is native UK standards and what isn't.

The best thing you can do, which I did is to go freelance. I promise you will not regret it. These content sellers on here cannot compete with freelancers simply because freelancers can offer better rates for the same quality since there is no middle man. Therefor you can afford to pay more and get better quality.

P.S This is not a dig at BHW, this is the nature of having a team. E.G if you want a website designing, you are going to find better rates for the same quality from freelancers rather than a company, because companies have to add money on top to make it profitable and then they try to inject value elsewhere such as better service.

My honest opinion is to go freelance. Don't go to any content sellers on here, I've tried around 10-15 of them (Can't remember) and after I went freelance I never went back. I did try a HAF here in the past, but I did end up with content sellers trying to persuade me they don't have a team, when I knew they did due to previous encounters.

iWriter is great to get content from, I have had my bad content and good content from there, however I just add the good ones to my list, and it ends up much better in terms of ROI long term. You essentially build your own team of great freelancers. I even paid for a standard article the other day, and an elite writer wrote it for standard rates, and it was extremely impressive, it was that impressive I tipped them more.
 
It's Written by UK Writer. I Mean It.
Just asking for samples and pointing out a paragraph with mistakes.
He isn't even a Buyer of my services.

Even I can go on, asking the samples then talk shit about the service. It's so EASY.
But providing What I've mentioned that too for $5 per 1K is something few can offer.

ASK to them who have actually bought the service ^_^

I WON'T ARGUE MUCH AS BHW IS FULL OF LEG PULLERS AND JEALOUS COMPETITORS.
 
Dark Sky said:
I'm from the UK.

I have bought enough content from BHW and I have to say I avoid it at all costs, content on BHW is probably the worst marketplace section in terms of standards... however this isn't BHW fault. There's no structure around content writing as to what is native UK standards and what isn't.

The best thing you can do, which I did is to go freelance. I promise you will not regret it. These content sellers on here cannot compete with freelancers simply because freelancers can offer better rates for the same quality since there is no middle man. Therefor you can afford to pay more and get better quality.

P.S This is not a dig at BHW, this is the nature of having a team. E.G if you want a website designing, you are going to find better rates for the same quality from freelancers rather than a company, because companies have to add money on top to make it profitable and then they try to inject value elsewhere such as better service.

My honest opinion is to go freelance. Don't go to any content sellers on here, I've tried around 10-15 of them (Can't remember) and after I went freelance I never went back. I did try a HAF here in the past, but I did end up with content sellers trying to persuade me they don't have a team, when I knew they did due to previous encounters.

iWriter is great to get content from, I have had my bad content and good content from there, however I just add the good ones to my list, and it ends up much better in terms of ROI long term. You essentially build your own team of great freelancers. I even paid for a standard article the other day, and an elite writer wrote it for standard rates, and it was extremely impressive, it was that impressive I tipped them more.
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I use iwriter as well for higher-level content. I've tried buying content on bhw but it made me realize the term "native English" and "high quality" are subjective. I don't buy content here anymore unless its for some crap spamy website or something where I'm targeting someone who isn't native English but does still "read" English so they don't notice.

Edit: I should add I've never used @ToughSeoX 's content (i dont think i have anyway) so I have no opinion on it
 
t2van said:
Exactly.

Native when it comes to writing means nothing and all that is - is a point of reference to the costings at least that's how I've always seen it.

If I wanted an "English writer" id be expecting to pay more than $5/1000
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I've stopped even using it as a frame of reference after the last couple of weeks churning through writers. Out of my top 5 writers, I think maybe 2 of them are native speakers.

I had a 40-year-old writer born and raised in England who was something like $10/1000 and that shit was still too expensive. Holy fuck I think I eventually rewrote every single word. If they're any good they'll eventually figure out they can charge more.

damagesmith said:
the content will be written by someone who lives in the US.
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No, it means they're native English speakers. They might live in the US but that's not the same thing.
 
SEOMadHatter said:
I've stopped even using it as a frame of reference after the last couple of weeks churning through writers. Out of my top 5 writers, I think maybe 2 of them are native speakers.

I had a 40-year-old writer born and raised in England who was something like $10/1000 and that shit was still too expensive. Holy fuck I think I eventually rewrote every single word. If they're any good they'll eventually figure out they can charge more.



No, it means they're native English speakers. They might live in the US but that's not the same thing.
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I use two writers the one charges me $50 an article and I get around 1800 words out of her - is UK based. Although I still find it hard to get someone to write for my users / readers even at this price they are knowledgable in my niche have plenty of experience but the content they produce is more academic still or suited for a fact checked paper article than a blog to capture a general readers interest...

The other I use to re-write my own work and she is from the US and charges me $15 p.h for it.

As much as it's a pain in the ass for me I prefer to just pay to get my own work re-writen I find it performs better and is more on point with the people I want to reach than just creating content for contents sake.
 
1. The UK/US writers that work for him are literally grammar-less(got it?)>


2. They are not native English writers. I mean.. C'mon XD
 
t2van said:
I use two writers the one charges me $50 an article and I get around 1800 words out of her - is UK based. Although I still find it hard to get someone to write for my users / readers even at this price they are knowledgable in my niche have plenty of experience but the content they produce is more academic still or suited for a fact checked paper article than a blog to capture a general readers interest...

The other I use to re-write my own work and she is from the US and charges me $15 p.h for it.

As much as it's a pain in the ass for me I prefer to just pay to get my own work re-writen I find it performs better and is more on point with the people I want to reach than just creating content for contents sake.
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That's about the average rate I pay at the moment. I tried a couple of $200/2,000 posts last week and they were barely better than the sample in the OP here.

You're dead on with the niche knowledge. I'd take someone who knows the niche over someone who was a great writer but was skimming the research.

Interesting. I hate editing my own work and it's always more effective getting fresh eyes on it but at a certain point are you not better paying a little extra and spending your time elsewhere?
 
SEOMadHatter said:
That's about the average rate I pay at the moment. I tried a couple of $200/2,000 posts last week and they were barely better than the sample in the OP here.

You're dead on with the niche knowledge. I'd take someone who knows the niche over someone who was a great writer but was skimming the research.

Interesting. I hate editing my own work and it's always more effective getting fresh eyes on it but at a certain point are you not better paying a little extra and spending your time elsewhere?
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THE problem I got with that is I've built the brand around doing things that no one else does or for my niche you get looked at like an idiot for doing it as no one else does it as it's not the "traditional" way. So as a stupid example say:

You shouldn't eat raw chicken.

BUT

I'll tell you, you can and show you how to do it.

Really stupid random example and might not fit but I can't be exact without giving away who or what my niche is or what my site is :/

So using my experience I'm selling products on the basis of doing things with them you should not traditional do or using them in a way that has always been seen as "impossible" so to find a writer with that same level of knowledge is hard if not impossible.

So while they do well with general topics like "how to cook chicken" for doing something that is against the grain I actually need to type it up first and then I get it re-written as I'm no spelling or grammar expert!

Some times I don't even need to re-write it ill just create a list of bullet points of where I ad a twist or change and the writer(s) are smart enough to work out whats going on and fill in the blanks.

Yeah it does take up time but I tend to make a list of 30-40 topics on my laptop or phone during the month or as I get a new idea and then ill work on them at my own pace as and when.
 
t2van said:
THE problem I got with that is I've built the brand around doing things that no one else does or for my niche you get looked at like an idiot for doing it as no one else does it as it's not the "traditional" way. So as a stupid example say:

You shouldn't eat raw chicken.

BUT

I'll tell you, you can and show you how to do it.

Really stupid random example and might not fit but I can't be exact without giving away who or what my niche is or what my site is :/

So using my experience I'm selling products on the basis of doing things with them you should not traditional do or using them in a way that has always been seen as "impossible" so to find a writer with that same level of knowledge is hard if not impossible.

So while they do well with general topics like "how to cook chicken" for doing something that is against the grain I actually need to type it up first and then I get it re-written as I'm no spelling or grammar expert!

Some times I don't even need to re-write it ill just create a list of bullet points of where I ad a twist or change and the writer(s) are smart enough to work out whats going on and fill in the blanks.

Yeah it does take up time but I tend to make a list of 30-40 topics on my laptop or phone during the month or as I get a new idea and then ill work on them at my own pace as and when.
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Aaah I gotcha. I have a niche that works for the exact same reason and 95% of the content I had to write myself.

I really like the idea of getting someone to edit work for you though. Did you expressly look for an editor or was it a freelance writer you asked?
 
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